[10:07pm] balunasj: serogers: Hi sean

[10:07pm] balunasj: I think we had a timezone issue

[10:08pm] balunasj: most of us were here an hour ago.

[10:08pm] serogers: Oh

[10:08pm] balunasj: not a bug problem - just wanted to figure it out

[10:08pm] balunasj: What does the project calendar show for you?

[10:09pm] serogers: let me just bring it up...

[10:09pm] ilya_shaikovsky: serogers, Hi!

[10:09pm] serogers: hi ilya_shaikovsky

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[10:12pm] serogers: Have you got the link to the calendar handy? Having trouble with VPN...

[10:14pm] serogers: It says 7am eastern time... but I was basing my times on UTC... sorry, I should didn't actually check the time in the calendar

[10:15pm] balunasj: serogers: thats ok - would it be better if I based on UTC?  I'm assuming google calendar support that

[10:16pm] serogers: Not sure, whatever is easiest

[10:17pm] balunasj: ok - I'll see what options I have and let everyone know how I update

[10:18pm] serogers: So are we OK to meet now? Or should we postpone until next week?

[10:18pm] balunasj: serogers: no - I think we are good

[10:18pm] serogers: OK

[10:18pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: nbelaevski , me, and you are here

[10:19pm] balunasj: serogers: also I moved the doc meeting discussion from richfaces development to the richfaces team meeting area

[10:19pm] serogers: Oh OK

[10:20pm] balunasj: serogers: the only thing I had to add to your agenda

[10:20pm] balunasj: is snapshot docs for 4.0

[10:21pm] serogers: OK

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[10:21pm] serogers: Let's discuss that first

[10:21pm] balunasj: sure

[10:21pm] serogers: I haven't made much progress on that since we last discussed it, it doesn't look like any of the other doc teams are doing it just yet

[10:22pm] serogers: I need to email Mark about it but haven't done that yet

[10:22pm] balunasj: serogers: the seam team just started with theirs

[10:22pm] balunasj: serogers: so starting a conversation with them would be a good thing

[10:22pm] serogers: OK

[10:22pm] balunasj: pmuir: who set that up for you?

[10:23pm] • balunasj not sure if pmuir is around, but that will teach him for lurking   We'll pull him into our meeting....

[10:23pm] pmuir: with what, sorry?

[10:23pm] pmuir: i what is "that"

[10:23pm] balunasj: pmuir: np - the snapshot docs

[10:23pm] balunasj: pmuir: I saw the announcement on seam-dev, and serogers is going to look into that for RF

[10:24pm] balunasj: pmuir: just looking for a point in the right direction for him

[10:25pm] pmuir: Oh

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[10:26pm] pmuir: you need to get IT to add the hudson ssh key as one that can write to your area on filemgmt

[10:26pm] pmuir: and then you use a rsync line in Hudson

[10:26pm] pmuir: take a look at WeldDocumentation for an example of the rsync

[10:26pm] balunasj: excellent pmuir thanks

[10:26pm] serogers: Thanks pmuir

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[10:27pm] balunasj: serogers: I would add that to you RFPL-465 jira

[10:28pm] serogers: No problem

[10:29pm] balunasj: That was the only addition to you agenda I had

[10:29pm] serogers: OK

[10:30pm] serogers: So now 3.3.3.F is released, it would be good if we can move on the tech review of the docs

[10:30pm] serogers: I've almost finished the rest of the developer's guide for review

[10:31pm] balunasj: serogers: wow that is great

[10:31pm] serogers: Well, first draft...

[10:31pm] balunasj: serogers: are there any post 3.3.3.F tasks that you would like to do, to "put it to bed"?

[10:31pm] balunasj: serogers: we are going to shift around the docs to follow the updated layout

[10:32pm] serogers: Not at this stage that I can think of

[10:32pm] serogers: OK

[10:32pm] balunasj: serogers: ok - I did not really think of anything either

[10:32pm] balunasj: serogers: ilya_shaikovsky and I are going to handle the downloads area, will you have time or be able to update the docs area following the layout?

[10:33pm] serogers: Yes, no problem

[10:33pm] balunasj: serogers: basically you would need to create the directories, pull down current docs and then upload to the right place.

[10:33pm] balunasj: serogers: ok great - I think there is already a RFPL for it, if not I'll add it

[10:33pm] • balunasj I guess I did have one other agenda item

[10:34pm] balunasj: serogers: please go on, I'm sorry

[10:34pm] serogers: No problem

[10:35pm] serogers: For the components that are required for Alpha2

[10:35pm] serogers: Have the details of a4j:apply been finalised yet?

[10:36pm] ilya_shaikovsky: it's postponed

[10:36pm] ilya_shaikovsky: so will not be in A2

[10:37pm] serogers: Oh, OK

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[10:37pm] serogers: Well that makes that easy

[10:38pm] serogers: We discussed that a4j:componentControl has been moved from rich:componentControl

[10:38pm] serogers: Can I get the new details such as component-type, component-class, etc for the docs?

[10:38pm] balunasj: serogers: yup - anton is about to start the impl of that one

[10:39pm] balunasj: let me ping him

[10:39pm] ilya_shaikovsky: he's not there right now

[10:39pm] balunasj: don't see him online atm

[10:39pm] balunasj: ok

[10:41pm] balunasj: serogers: I would recommend emailing him to coordinate the details

[10:41pm] serogers: OK, will do

[10:41pm] serogers: OK, thanks

[10:42pm] serogers: OK, the browser compatibility for skinning... let me just find it...

[10:43pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: basic and extended skinning is changing for 4.0 iirc

[10:43pm] serogers: Oh, OK

[10:43pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: correct?

[10:44pm] balunasj: Andrei Markhel is leading the skinning efforts

[10:44pm] ilya_shaikovsky: Nick and Andrew has additional discussion at Friday so need to ping somebody of them to be 100% sure..

[10:45pm] serogers: I have mostly been rewriting the docs using 3.3.X information, but we will use the tech reviews to highlight where information has changed. I hope this is OK?

[10:46pm] balunasj: serogers: I think that is the best way for now

[10:46pm] serogers: Good

[10:47pm] ilya_shaikovsky: Its seems best for now for sure.. but there are seems much info which will be marked as to be changed as I see from this first review

[10:47pm] balunasj: serogers: Ideally I would like to you to "play" with the tech and then update/write docs, but that may need to wait until we have a good base on info

[10:47pm] serogers: Yeah, that is OK.

[10:48pm] serogers: Once I have a base of documentation to work from, updating the details should be easy

[10:48pm] serogers: OK, last bit of the agenda is to discuss the skin parameter lists for each component.

[10:49pm] serogers: We discussed this before and weren't sure whether to keep them separated with the component guide, or all in one big skinning section

[10:49pm] serogers: Any more thoughts on this?

[10:49pm] balunasj: hmm - it really comes down to how we think users will develop and skin

[10:50pm] balunasj: will they do all the skinning at once? then it should all be in one place

[10:50pm] balunasj: will they skin and apply styles while developing the page and working with component?  then should be with components

[10:51pm] balunasj: my gut tells me keeping with components might be most useful for a reference guide

[10:51pm] serogers: Yeah, I'm not really sure. I might need to consult in the forums and get opinions

[10:51pm] balunasj: serogers: I would always encourage that

[10:51pm] ilya_shaikovsky: I also voted for remaining them where it was.. as the user will need to have info on particular component

[10:52pm] ilya_shaikovsky: or we need to duplicate structure

[10:52pm] ilya_shaikovsky: example:

[10:52pm] ilya_shaikovsky: skinning\

[10:52pm] ilya_shaikovsky:   rich\

[10:52pm] ilya_shaikovsky:     calendar classes and parameters

[10:52pm] ilya_shaikovsky: part of the TOC  which I could imagine if moving with separate place

[10:53pm] ilya_shaikovsky: And the same info in usage components section does not enlarge the section much.. but the developer has all the component info in-place

[10:54pm] serogers: OK.

[10:54pm] ilya_shaikovsky: just my opinion..

[10:55pm] serogers: I tend to agree

[10:55pm] balunasj: my only concern with duplicated structure is maintenance

[10:55pm] balunasj: but I also agree it would likely be most useful way

[10:56pm] serogers: OK, well I think that's all I wanted to cover. Anything else?

[10:56pm] balunasj: I covered my other topics earlier so I'm good

[10:57pm] ilya_shaikovsky: and me finally send you first try of review.. so also seems all for now

[10:57pm] balunasj: great, well thanks all

[10:57pm] serogers: Great

[10:58pm] serogers: Thanks everyone