[10:15pm] balunasj: then lets get started with serogers

[10:15pm] serogers: OK

[10:16pm] balunasj: serogers: btw - there was some confusion with time again - what is going in the project calendar is what we have been going with

[10:16pm] balunasj: serogers: If you want to shift the meeting up an hour we can do that

[10:16pm] serogers: Oh, sorry...

[10:17pm] serogers: This time is probably best for me, whatever time that is in your timezones

[10:17pm] balunasj: serogers: not a huge deal - just want to be on same page

[10:17pm] serogers: I've just been working on UTC

[10:17pm] serogers: Yep

[10:17pm] balunasj: serogers: ok I'll shift to this time.

[10:17pm] balunasj: serogers: when you look at the project calendar does it show now? or an hour ago?

[10:18pm] serogers: It shows an hour ago, but I haven't been checking it

[10:19pm] balunasj: serogers: ic - its probably a good idea to subscribe to it in your fav calendar program

[10:19pm] balunasj: I'll shift it though

[10:19pm] nbelaevski: balunasj: btw, is there a way to add timezone switch in HTML version of calendar?

[10:20pm] balunasj: nbelaevski: it is just google calendar - looking...

[10:20pm] ilya_shaikovsky: balunasj, also checked but seems depends on browser only

[10:21pm] balunasj: in google I have it set to GMT +0

[10:22pm] balunasj: I have updated the time for all future meetings though

[10:22pm] ilya_shaikovsky: strange.. earlier it shown me right time but now in browser I see 8.00

[10:22pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky:  I just changed it

[10:23pm] balunasj: serogers: ok lets get started

[10:23pm] serogers: Do you want to discuss the circular reference thing at all?

[10:23pm] ilya_shaikovsky: and shows normally if using google.com

[10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: can you point us to a hosted version of it for a quick look?

[10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: they only thing I wanted to make sure was that we covered the references to the note

[10:24pm] serogers: Sure, just a second...

[10:25pm] serogers: Hmm, actually it looks like it hasn't been uploaded by release engineering yet

[10:26pm] serogers: I'll have to send a follow-up ticket tomorrow

[10:26pm] balunasj: ok

[10:26pm] balunasj: np

[10:27pm] balunasj: nbelaevski: is that fix in community 3.3.X?

[10:27pm] nbelaevski: no yet

[10:28pm] serogers: I'll let you know when it has been uploaded

[10:28pm] nbelaevski: community branch has different code, so it needs manual patching

[10:28pm] balunasj: nbelaevski: ic - not a priority atm

[10:28pm] serogers: Yep

[10:29pm] nbelaevski: balunasj: yes

[10:29pm] balunasj: there is a tracking RFPL for items that need to port to community branch

[10:29pm] balunasj: nbelaevski: could you add that to the list?

[10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: ok lets move on

[10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: one min -

[10:30pm] balunasj: serogers: is the doc update in community branch?

[10:30pm] nbelaevski: balunasj: ok, I'll do

[10:30pm] serogers: The change hasn't been made to the community branch yet

[10:30pm] balunasj: serogers: nbelaevski : ok good to both

[10:31pm] balunasj: anything else on the circular reference?

[10:31pm] serogers: Not yet

[10:31pm] nbelaevski: no

[10:32pm] balunasj: serogers: what did you want to cover next?

[10:32pm] serogers: Thanks everyone for the reviews of the Developer Guide for 4.0

[10:33pm] serogers: I've modified it according to the suggestions

[10:33pm] serogers: Some of the comments were about how something may possibly change later, so we'll have to review again before release

[10:34pm] serogers: I'll try and get some more docs for review in the next couple of weeks

[10:34pm] serogers: Any other comments on the Developer Guide?

[10:35pm] balunasj: serogers: not at the moment

[10:35pm] serogers: OK

[10:35pm] balunasj: serogers: quick question - on maven

[10:35pm] balunasj: sorry on hudson

[10:35pm] balunasj: there are two docs builds richfaces-4.0-docs and richfaces-4.0-docs-maven

[10:36pm] balunasj: do you know the diff?

[10:36pm] serogers: Oh, one is left over from when I was configuring it to upload nightly builds to docs.jboss.org automatically

[10:37pm] serogers: I'll need to clean that up

[10:37pm] balunasj: serogers: ok - thanks

[10:37pm] serogers: I think the Maven one can be removed, but I'll check it out tomorrow

[10:38pm] balunasj: np

[10:38pm] balunasj: thanks

[10:39pm] serogers: OK, next I wanted to discuss release schedules. Do we have dates planned for 3.3.4.beta1 and 4.0.0.alpha2?

[10:40pm] balunasj: 3.3.4 - will likely never happen

[10:40pm] balunasj: Alpha2 - I'm starting a thread today on dev forum where we will discuss status and nail this down

[10:41pm] serogers: OK

[10:42pm] serogers: Any rough ideas?

[10:43pm] balunasj: it MUST be before JBW, but really needs to be before end of May

[10:43pm] balunasj: We have not released on 4.0 since last JBW and that just looks really bad

[10:44pm] serogers: OK

[10:44pm] balunasj: even though we have had some unexpected releases

[10:44pm] balunasj: I hope to know more by end of week

[10:45pm] serogers: OK, thanks

[10:45pm] balunasj: sure - I'm sorry I can't give a better date

[10:45pm] serogers: No problem

[10:46pm] balunasj: serogers: so the last topic was priorities correct?

[10:46pm] serogers: Yep

[10:46pm] serogers: What do you believe my priorities should be with documentation now? I was planning to keep working through the Component Reference

[10:46pm] balunasj: serogers: what your current thoughts, and todo's for A2?

[10:47pm] balunasj: The component reference is important

[10:47pm] serogers: I've completed all the components we dicsussed for alpha2

[10:48pm] balunasj: right - I think that updating the getting started section of the dev guide is important

[10:48pm] balunasj: this I think will involve some hands on work from you

[10:48pm] balunasj: trying out what you are writing and also helping to let us know issues or where things could be clearer

[10:49pm] serogers: OK

[10:50pm] balunasj: I know the current one is basically just the 3.3.X one

[10:50pm] balunasj: I would like it revamped

[10:50pm] balunasj: stressing maven

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[10:51pm] serogers: OK

[10:51pm] serogers: Is that more of a priority than the component reference?

[10:51pm] balunasj: you said that component reference is done for A2 right

[10:52pm] serogers: Yeah, if Alpha2 just has the components listed in that Jira

[10:53pm] balunasj: ok good - so yes I think the getting started guide is next

[10:53pm] serogers: OK

[10:54pm] balunasj: serogers: there are some discussions in jboss on developer experience and consistency

[10:54pm] ilya_shaikovsky: serogers, b.t.w. one tag was added only tomorow to core RF task

[10:54pm] balunasj: serogers: I think you need to take a look there - it was started on the core by burr sutter

[10:54pm] ilya_shaikovsky: yesterday

[10:55pm] ilya_shaikovsky: sorry

[10:55pm] serogers: Do you have a link?

[10:58pm] ilya_shaikovsky: probably we have to create doc jiras in such cases in future in order you to be notified in time

[10:59pm] serogers: I have been watching Jiras with the "affects docs" tag, but often it is hard to figure out how it affects the docs

[11:00pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: yes - I think new components need doc jiras

[11:00pm] ilya_shaikovsky: For such cases it would be better to create concrete task like "describe X:X component"

[11:00pm] serogers: I agree

[11:01pm] balunasj: serogers: I think the check box is more for a trigger for starting the work or investigation

[11:01pm] serogers: OK

[11:03pm] balunasj: serogers: can you take a look and create any issues that may be missing

[11:04pm] balunasj: ?

[11:04pm] balunasj: serogers: from the core component list

[11:04pm] balunasj: serogers: and a RFPL to cover revamping the getting started guide?

[11:04pm] serogers: OK

[11:05pm] balunasj: serogers: great - anything else for now?

[11:05pm] serogers: Nothing else from my end

[11:06pm] balunasj: serogers: ok great - thanks serogers - I need to go - please touch base with me about the getting started guide when you ready

[11:07pm] serogers: OK, thanks everyone

[11:07pm] serogers: Bye