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    10:04pm] balunasj: serogers: While we are waiting I wanted to see if you have any feedback based on the post-mortem topics that I posted in the forums?
    [10:04pm] balunasj: serogers: I'll be writing up minutes for the meet yesterday
    [10:04pm] balunasj: serogers: but want to see how you thought things went, where it worked, where it needs improvement, etc....
    [10:05pm] serogers: I think things worked pretty well from a docs point of view
    [10:07pm] balunasj: serogers: How was the information, review, feedback cycle working for you?  Any changes you would like to see?
    [10:07pm] • balunasj already talked at post-mortem about updating wiki's with actual completed features when done
    [10:08pm] serogers: Nothing much. I guess since I'm working from the wiki a lot it would be good to make sure they keep up with the actual implementations, since in some areas they were different
    [10:08pm] serogers: Yeah, what you said
    [10:09pm] balunasj: ok good.
    [10:09pm] balunasj: So other than that you feel M3 went well?
    [10:09pm] serogers: I think so
    [10:10pm] balunasj: ok good
    [10:11pm] balunasj: ishaikovsky had a comment yesterday about tracking jira's
    [10:11pm] balunasj: with the docs
    [10:11pm] balunasj: wanted him to explain - as we covered alot
    [10:12pm] balunasj: Other items:
    [10:12pm] balunasj: 1) http://community.jboss.org/message/567279#567279 a mix of dev/doc issue I think
    [10:12pm] balunasj: 2) Migration doc plans ( also wanted to discuss with ishaikovsky
    [10:12pm] balunasj: serogers: Lets take a look at 1)
    [10:13pm] serogers: OK
    [10:13pm] balunasj: I think this is a just coordinating between end and docs pre release to make sure we are all saying the same thing.
    [10:14pm] serogers: Yeah
    [10:15pm] balunasj: So I'm going to add a doc sync task to the release process ( still in draft )
    [10:16pm] balunasj: So anything on migration docs?  I wanted to see if you and or ishaikovsky have been able to make progress?
    [10:17pm] serogers: I have mostly just been adding differences between component implementations to the migration doc
    [10:17pm] serogers: but the rest of it is probably in need of a review now
    [10:18pm] serogers: I had it on hold until things had been progressed a bit more
    [10:18pm] balunasj: serogers: ok, yeah, the meat of it will be more involved I think.  i.e. updated xxx, yyyy component depricated, etc...
    [10:19pm] serogers: Yes
    [10:19pm] balunasj: ok, so we'll need to focus on that for M4-5 I think.
    [10:19pm] balunasj: What is you work load like atm?
    [10:20pm] serogers: Not bad at the moment. I've done drafts of a few of the components for M4. Unfortunately with the release plan as it is I won't get much more done with my vacation
    [10:21pm] serogers: Release is November 18 from memory?
    [10:21pm] balunasj: serogers: yup - we are planning to get it out before US holiday
    [10:22pm] serogers: OK. I'll see what I can do but there may not be much docs progress for this milestone
    [10:22pm] balunasj: serogers: I'm not sure how much interest you have in this, but if you wanted to play with archetypes, and settings that you have doc'd
    [10:22pm] balunasj: it might help you to find any issues, or make usability suggestions to the team.
    [10:23pm] balunasj: I'd like to use you for more than just docs with your varied background.
    [10:23pm] serogers: Yes, I should do some of that
    [10:23pm] balunasj: serogers: Sometimes devs are too close to the topic if you know what I mean.
    [10:24pm] serogers:
    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: I would like to make sure we are consistent in behavior, naming, and that features "flow" well.
    [10:24pm] serogers: Sure
    [10:25pm] balunasj: serogers: well that is all I had on my list
    [10:26pm] serogers: OK. So the next meeting will be a Friday November 12?
    [10:27pm] balunasj: serogers: yup, I think it might be a good idea for you to write up a summary email to the mailing list
    [10:27pm] balunasj: i.e. Here is what is done for the release...
    [10:27pm] balunasj: This is what is not done...
    [10:27pm] balunasj: and if time permits when I return I'll ....
    [10:28pm] serogers: OK, no problem
    [10:29pm] wesleyhales left the chat room. (Quit: wesleyhales)
    [10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: Have fun on your vacation, relax, and we'll talk when you get back
    [10:29pm] serogers: OK, thanks Jay. I'll talk to you then.
    [10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: sure thing, later

    [10:04pm] balunasj: serogers: While we are waiting I wanted to see if you have any feedback based on the post-mortem topics that I posted in the forums?

    [10:04pm] balunasj: serogers: I'll be writing up minutes for the meet yesterday

    [10:04pm] balunasj: serogers: but want to see how you thought things went, where it worked, where it needs improvement, etc....

    [10:05pm] serogers: I think things worked pretty well from a docs point of view

    [10:07pm] balunasj: serogers: How was the information, review, feedback cycle working for you?  Any changes you would like to see?

    [10:07pm] • balunasj already talked at post-mortem about updating wiki's with actual completed features when done

    [10:08pm] serogers: Nothing much. I guess since I'm working from the wiki a lot it would be good to make sure they keep up with the actual implementations, since in some areas they were different

    [10:08pm] serogers: Yeah, what you said

    [10:09pm] balunasj: ok good.

    [10:09pm] balunasj: So other than that you feel M3 went well?

    [10:09pm] serogers: I think so

    [10:10pm] balunasj: ok good

    [10:11pm] balunasj: ishaikovsky had a comment yesterday about tracking jira's

    [10:11pm] balunasj: with the docs

    [10:11pm] balunasj: wanted him to explain - as we covered alot

    [10:12pm] balunasj: Other items:

    [10:12pm] balunasj: 1) http://community.jboss.org/message/567279#567279 a mix of dev/doc issue I think

    [10:12pm] balunasj: 2) Migration doc plans ( also wanted to discuss with ishaikovsky

    [10:12pm] balunasj: serogers: Lets take a look at 1)

    [10:13pm] serogers: OK

    [10:13pm] balunasj: I think this is a just coordinating between end and docs pre release to make sure we are all saying the same thing.

    [10:14pm] serogers: Yeah

    [10:15pm] balunasj: So I'm going to add a doc sync task to the release process ( still in draft )

    [10:16pm] balunasj: So anything on migration docs?  I wanted to see if you and or ishaikovsky have been able to make progress?

    [10:17pm] serogers: I have mostly just been adding differences between component implementations to the migration doc

    [10:17pm] serogers: but the rest of it is probably in need of a review now

    [10:18pm] serogers: I had it on hold until things had been progressed a bit more

    [10:18pm] balunasj: serogers: ok, yeah, the meat of it will be more involved I think.  i.e. updated xxx, yyyy component depricated, etc...

    [10:19pm] serogers: Yes

    [10:19pm] balunasj: ok, so we'll need to focus on that for M4-5 I think.

    [10:19pm] balunasj: What is you work load like atm?

    [10:20pm] serogers: Not bad at the moment. I've done drafts of a few of the components for M4. Unfortunately with the release plan as it is I won't get much more done with my vacation

    [10:21pm] serogers: Release is November 18 from memory?

    [10:21pm] balunasj: serogers: yup - we are planning to get it out before US holiday

    [10:22pm] serogers: OK. I'll see what I can do but there may not be much docs progress for this milestone

    [10:22pm] balunasj: serogers: I'm not sure how much interest you have in this, but if you wanted to play with archetypes, and settings that you have doc'd

    [10:22pm] balunasj: it might help you to find any issues, or make usability suggestions to the team.

    [10:23pm] balunasj: I'd like to use you for more than just docs with your varied background.

    [10:23pm] serogers: Yes, I should do some of that

    [10:23pm] balunasj: serogers: Sometimes devs are too close to the topic if you know what I mean.

    [10:24pm] serogers:

    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: I would like to make sure we are consistent in behavior, naming, and that features "flow" well.

    [10:24pm] serogers: Sure

    [10:25pm] balunasj: serogers: well that is all I had on my list

    [10:26pm] serogers: OK. So the next meeting will be a Friday November 12?

    [10:27pm] balunasj: serogers: yup, I think it might be a good idea for you to write up a summary email to the mailing list

    [10:27pm] balunasj: i.e. Here is what is done for the release...

    [10:27pm] balunasj: This is what is not done...

    [10:27pm] balunasj: and if time permits when I return I'll ....

    [10:28pm] serogers: OK, no problem

    [10:29pm] wesleyhales left the chat room. (Quit: wesleyhales)

    [10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: Have fun on your vacation, relax, and we'll talk when you get back

    [10:29pm] serogers: OK, thanks Jay. I'll talk to you then.

    [10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: sure thing, later