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1. Re: JBESB Data Transformation - Maintenance and Design
tfennelly Jul 20, 2006 5:47 AM (in response to ddegroff)Sorry Dave - very slow in responding to this. I've turned on the "watch" on all topics on this forum now so I shouldn't miss these in future. I was also on holidays.
I'm in meetings all this week but will go back and review this asap. Sorry again!! -
2. Re: JBESB Data Transformation - Maintenance and Design
tfennelly Jul 26, 2006 11:20 AM (in response to ddegroff)Hey Dave, I eventually had a look at this - sorry about the delay.
Firstly, I don't see anything in there that's "out of sync" with anything we've done or talked about within JBoss ESB. To be honest, I think "Translation Designers" etc are possibly further up the functional stack from where JBoss ESB is currently aiming (Mark???). Something of that nature would be a great usability feature for JBoss ESB.
I would be interested in seeing more detail on your ideas in this area. In terms of developing tools/wizards for configuring/building-on an ESB Transformation Service, I think the devil will be in the detail!! That said, I think there's a lot that could be done with wizards/designers etc to make the easy things easy, allowing you to concentrate more on the nasty parts of transformation. This would be a major learning process for me anyway - how to develop a designer/wizard that is successful in making the Transformation Service easier to use, without getting in the way when the going gets tough!! -
3. Re: JBESB Data Transformation - Maintenance and Design
marklittle Jul 26, 2006 11:39 AM (in response to ddegroff)"tfennelly" wrote:
Hey Dave, I eventually had a look at this - sorry about the delay.
Firstly, I don't see anything in there that's "out of sync" with anything we've done or talked about within JBoss ESB. To be honest, I think "Translation Designers" etc are possibly further up the functional stack from where JBoss ESB is currently aiming (Mark???). Something of that nature would be a great usability feature for JBoss ESB.
Yes, I think you're right. At the moment we're really looking at the lower level in terms of implementation. However, that shouldn't stop us talking about anything, in case it does need to be considered earlier in the architecture.
I would be interested in seeing more detail on your ideas in this area. In terms of developing tools/wizards for configuring/building-on an ESB Transformation Service, I think the devil will be in the detail!! That said, I think there's a lot that could be done with wizards/designers etc to make the easy things easy, allowing you to concentrate more on the nasty parts of transformation. This would be a major learning process for me anyway - how to develop a designer/wizard that is successful in making the Transformation Service easier to use, without getting in the way when the going gets tough!!
Sounds like a good approach to me. -
4. Re: JBESB Data Transformation - Maintenance and Design
ddegroff Jul 28, 2006 9:40 AM (in response to ddegroff)I would be interested in seeing more detail on your ideas in this area. In terms of developing tools/wizards for configuring/building-on an ESB Transformation Service, I think the devil will be in the detail!! That said, I think there's a lot that could be done with wizards/designers etc to make the easy things easy, allowing you to concentrate more on the nasty parts of transformation. This would be a major learning process for me anyway - how to develop a designer/wizard that is successful in making the Transformation Service easier to use, without getting in the way when the going gets tough!!
Your wish is my command:
http://www.ehealthconnect.net/ehc/jbossesb-xl-functional_spec.pdf
This is my first cut at a functional spec. for the proposed D/T functionality.
I completely agree about where this fits in the phased development cycle for JBESB. Where I find myself right now (hiring on with a JBoss client 1 Aug, with a project requiring transformation beyond the complexity I published under another topic), this issue may present itself as a priority for current and near-term projects. But, this is a parallel design/ development project, not something I would recommend injecting into JBESB right away.
Thanks in advance for your attention to this issue. And, as always, any thoughts about this topic are gratefully incorporated as appropriate.
Best Regards,
David -
5. Re: JBESB Data Transformation - Maintenance and Design
tfennelly Jul 28, 2006 9:49 AM (in response to ddegroff)Thanks Dave. I'll take a look at this over the weekend.