[crazybob.seamframework.crazybob.org]

I love the name Weld. Great choice. Do you have a dictionary of cool-sounding four letter words that have to do with attaching things together? ;-)

[asookazian]

Bob Lee wrote on Oct 06, 2009 17:09:


I love the name Weld. Great choice. Do you have a dictionary of cool-sounding four letter words that have to do with attaching things together? ;-)

Honestly, I don't like the name Weld but I don't like Guice either.  At least Weld has an obvious connotation to it: basically sticking things together which I'm guessing is the intent/purpose of the API/framework.  Guice, which is a derivative of Juice I assume, has absolutely no connotation to me whatsoever in the context of software engineering.  You may as well have named it Paint or Hair or Betty.

Or this is the best one.  I've recently been reading the O'Reilly book Hadoop: The Definitive Guide on the successful top-level Apache Hadoop project for large-scale data processing using an open-sourced version of the Google MapReduce API.  Hadoop is the name of the author's son's stuffed elephant.  And thus the elephant on the cover of the book.  One of the Hadoop subprojects is Pig.  Gorgeous and flamboyant.

I'm waiting for the day that someone writes a successful framework named Gonorrhea or Yeast Infection that becomes immeasurably successful such that most house wives are aware of it. 

btw, I think Seam and Hibernate are decent/interesting names...

Is it possible to brainstorm a new name for 299 RI to replace Weld???

[asookazian]

Bob Lee wrote on Oct 06, 2009 17:09:


I love the name Weld. Great choice. Do you have a dictionary of cool-sounding four letter words that have to do with attaching things together? ;-)

BTW Bob, you better be careful what you post here.  CBauer reigns supreme in these forums and will dismiss any negligent or out-of-line posts.  Trust me, I've learned the hard way.  ;-)

It seems that you and GKing have had some rumblings in the past from some of the blogs/posts I have read elsewhere (which potentially spawned JSR 330: Dependency Injection for Java with Rod Johnson?).  Which is understandable.  The framework creators tend to be very ostentatious and argumentative at times.  It must be a pain to participate in a EG on JCP.

But us developers in the community will pursue thinking for ourselves and questioning authority.  This, in part, is how the products improve.

[crazybob.seamframework.crazybob.org]

BTW Bob, you better be careful what you post here. CBauer reigns supreme in these forums and will dismiss any negligent or out-of-line posts. Trust me, I've learned the hard way. ;-)

I was being 100% sincere. Weld is a badass name.

Also, the name Guice is a joke. You just don't get it. :-)

[asookazian]

Weld is not a badass name (although this stuff is subjective, like music and colors).

Weld is too close to welt.

And I guess you're right, I don't get the joke...

[asookazian]

Examples of badass names in the music domain are the following:

Bitches Brew (Miles Davis)
Kind of Blue (Miles Davis)
Lamb of God
Mr. Bungle
Alice in Chains
Soundgarden
Crystal Method

So instead of Weld, how bout Glue, still fits the four letter pattern...

Or how bout something more druggie?  :)

[luxspes]

I like the new name too, I think Weld is a good name evolution after Seam, I can even imagine the new logo as a variation of the current one, but with weld sparks.

[nickarls]

The next gen will be ZIPR...

[pmuir]

John Ament wrote on Oct 06, 2009 02:40:

Gavin King wrote on Oct 06, 2009 02:07:


This is the first time the name of the RI has changed. What happened previously was that the name of the specification changed. Of course neither name change was our preference, so it's a bit unfair to be bitching at us about it.

it seems odd that other vendors get to choose the name of your software.  if that's the case, all other webmail providers should force google to rename gmail to grope.

Not quite, another company objected to the old name. They had no say over the new name.

Any company, organization or individual is allowed to register their intellectual property. Under some jurisdictions they are required to actively pursue those who are in breach of it, otherwise they loose it. You and I may not like this, but it is life ;-)

[pmuir]

Bob Lee wrote on Oct 06, 2009 17:09:


I love the name Weld. Great choice. Do you have a dictionary of cool-sounding four letter words that have to do with attaching things together? ;-)

Yes, I use it for scrabble all the time!

[pmuir]

Is it possible to brainstorm a new name for 299 RI to replace Weld???

Sorry, no. We've already passed this phase - as I mentioned we discussed this with all the project committers before deciding on a name,

[luxspes]

First, Seam, then Weld... and after that... Stitch? Suture? (I wonder if those will be used by the next generation of JSR 299 or by implementations by other vendors...)