Richfaces R.I.P, welcome ExtJS+Seam - sharing thoughts?

[krkempa]

I've just seen gwt and extjs demos (and real world applications shown on extjs site) and I'm pretty impressed. It runs HUGE circles around Richfaces components... As I'm dissapointed with Richfaces GA releases which brings defunct components and regressions to already working ones, I'm seriously considering switching to ExtJS. There must be something wrong with RF development cycle, lack of test harness or simply experimental-only approach to their development. They should start to use them for themselves, not only develoing them. Every version upgrade brings another chill What do you want to see broken today? ExtJS's widgets just seem much more functional, prettier, better documented - see yourself... Why we in Java world cannot have quality componets like these from Teleric? My .NET friend is laughing on what we have compared to what Teleric has... It's the same HTML/JS at the end, so it's not a platform limit. Rather clumsy solutions only sticking around and consuming our time when we try to fight with them...

Seam DEFINITELY needs a fully functional alternative view/components library which does not cripple him. What do you think about the future of ExtJS-Seam integration attempts? Or any other?

Integration attempts using Seam remoting are already underway look here:
forum
and: here
Fixing JBSEAM-633 and other Seam Remoting bugs could give these projects wings...

Another approach: forum (you need to alter HS database config in hibernate.cfg.xml to run this app and learn Chinese :)).

What do you say?

[krkempa]

Actually first link is to gwt-ext project (http://www.gwt-ext.com/demo), not gwt.

[franciscoperedo]

Hi!

Perhaps we could achieve integration with Seam using jMaki to integrate ExtJS with JSF?

Regards,

[pmuir]

The Drools BRMS is written using gwt-ext with Seam as a backing layer.

[www.supernovasoftware.com]

I agree.  Every time I upgrade Richfaces to get new components something breaks regarding existing components.

I spend valuable time looking for a workaround just get get to use some new components.

I would gladly pay for develeper licenses like the ones I read about at http://www.telerik.com/purchase/purchase-online.aspx

If that provided a more stable richer component set.  I did not look at what Teleric actually provides.  I am just going of

My .NET friend is laughing on what we have compared to what Teleric has...

and my experience with Richfaces upgrades.

[dustismo]

I started my project with icefaces,then moved to richfaces, then decided to abandon both and do my own extjs integration.  I'll -never- go back :).  Proof is in the pudding so to say.  trendrr.com.  I am able to open multiple conversations on the same page (ex. when you tag a graph a nested conversation is started then ends when you press 'save' -- never reloads the page).  I am planning to release my extjs and seam integration code when I have time to decouple it from the application. 

-Dustin 

[barbacena]

I really love the idea behind the richfaces project: use JSF component that gets better user experience.

However, as you said, richfaces team is losing their way. The widgets have to get better client side control and a lot more testing.

A integration with ext-js is more the appropriated.

[sander]

How have you integrated ext?

Only using remoting for the actions or have you build your own jsf components.

Can you tell something about it as we are also looking how to integrate it

[dhinojosa]

Wow, I had no idea there was so much disappointment with RichFaces. 

[cpopetz]

We chose RichFaces because RH had chosen RichFaces, and I had assumed that would mean they would work to provide better integration with seam, better documentation, and better stability.  That has really not been the case, and each RichFaces release seems to have more problems than the last.  I'm seriously considering recommending that we transition to using IceFaces at this point.

It's incredible to me that the release a version that doesn't work at all on MacOS.  Hello?  Do they do integration testing on their supposed supported browsers?

[sergeysmirnov.sim.exadel.com]

Kris, what do you really know about RichFaces development cycle to blame it?

[kaszynski]

I think it is Cthulhu who ate RichFaces functionality

[www.supernovasoftware.com]

I chose richfaces because of RH as well.

I really do like richfaces and jsf in general.  I am hoping it will stabilize after all of the more useful components are added and are released for a while.

I would really love to see a schedule component or an example of how the calendar could be made to render with takes or meetings for each date.

The wiki example for seam is a great detailed example of how seam eats their own dog food.

It would be nice to see more complex examples than the ones provided.  I know jsf if very powerful and the richfaces components can be put to much better use than the simple examples used in the richfaces demo.

My app is so married to jsf and richfaces, I would really have to see something spectacular to justify switching.

I have an inventory system that has hundreds of pages loaded with richfaces components.  Switching would be a major task to say the least.

[jimk1723]

I feel like I'm late to the party, what does Teleric have to do with GWT-ExtJS?

For ExtJS integration, we're really talking about integrating ExtJS with Seam Remoting, not JSF, right? It's apples to oranges; I mean if you're deciding to not use the JSF life-cycle then godspeed, but to do a 1:1 comparison between ExtJS widgets to RichFaces components is discounting a lot of what's happening under the hood.

p.s. the next time your .NET friend laughs at you, just point out that they have to work in .NET. Zing!

[www.supernovasoftware.com]

Can anyone point me to a good comparison for .Not vs JSF?

The Telenic components look nice, but I have never researched what the advantages of JSF vs .Not.