balunasj
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ok everyone lets get started - we'll catch up with Tsikhon and Svetlana when they join
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11:09am
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balunasj
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First, I see some new names on the roster list and to those from the community welcome to first publicly announced RichFaces Team meeting.
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11:09am
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balunasj
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The agenda for today is http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13463
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11:10am
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balunasj
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We will be updating the meeting minutes and agendas for the meeting.
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11:10am
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t_kuprevich joined the chat room.
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11:10am
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balunasj
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So first a quick note regarding the new RichFaces project page
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11:11am
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balunasj
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The jboss.org guys are really busy so they may not get to this in the next week or two - I will be working on that.
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11:11am
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balunasj
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we some help a assistence from Ilya and anyone else that would like to.
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11:11am
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smukhina joined the chat room.
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11:12am
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balunasj
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We have also just received a second round of possible RichFaces logos.
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11:12am
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smukhina
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hi, all - sorry for being late - some problems with connection
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11:12am
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balunasj
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We are reviewing them internally, and when we get the next round we'll post a jira and discuss.
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11:12am
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balunasj
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smukhina: np
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11:12am
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nbelaevski
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hi Svetlana
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11:13am
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balunasj
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Now that everyone is here I wanted to introduce prabhat
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11:13am
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t_kuprevich
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Hi, i'm sorry too, but my connettion is fine
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11:13am
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balunasj
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Prabhat is helping me o understand the current RichFaces QA process and currently is the JBoss Portal QE Lead.
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11:13am
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rruss
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hi Prabhat
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11:13am
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nbelaevski
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hello Prabhat
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11:13am
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prabhat
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Hi everybody
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11:14am
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balunasj
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I have not been able to spend the time to look into it personally, so Prabhat will be assisting.
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11:14am
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t_kuprevich
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hi Prabhat
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11:15am
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balunasj
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prabhat has worked with alexsmirnov before on the portal bridge as well.
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11:15am
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes, indirectly through Wesley
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11:15am
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balunasj
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Unless anyone has any questions lets move on to 3.3.1 status.
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11:16am
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balunasj
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BETA2 was released last week and has been in QA.
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11:16am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: how is that going, any blockers, or major issues found?
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11:16am
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t_kuprevich
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Inna still ill
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11:17am
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t_kuprevich
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so there are three of us
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11:17am
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t_kuprevich
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yes there are some major issues
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11:17am
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balunasj
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thats too bad - do you know when Inna may return?
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11:17am
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t_kuprevich
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1 major with layout
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11:17am
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t_kuprevich
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on thursday
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11:18am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: ok thanks - and I'm assuming the test report I linked to has not been updated yet - correct?
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11:18am
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t_kuprevich
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and 1 critical with colorPicker
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11:19am
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t_kuprevich
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do uoy mean BETA2 report?
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11:19am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: yup
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11:19am
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t_kuprevich
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no, we usually upload it after the testing is over
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11:20am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: ok - then are the issues discussed above in jira already?
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11:20am
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t_kuprevich
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do you need us to do this every day?
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11:20am
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t_kuprevich
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yes
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11:20am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: no - but if possible before this meeting.
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11:20am
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t_kuprevich
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but there is another one I just noticed and not filled yet
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11:20am
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t_kuprevich
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ok, sure
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11:21am
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balunasj
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what is the color picker issue - I don't see it?
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11:21am
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t_kuprevich
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I can't select a colour after rerendering
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11:21am
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t_kuprevich
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select using mouse cursor
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11:22am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: ok - but what is the jira
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11:22am
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t_kuprevich
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sorry?
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11:23am
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balunasj
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You said that these issues were already in jira, I don't see a critical jira issue for colorpicker
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11:23am
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balunasj
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do you have the jira #
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11:23am
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t_kuprevich
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just a sec
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11:25am
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t_kuprevich
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-6643
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11:25am
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t_kuprevich
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-6645
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11:25am
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t_kuprevich
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but, as far as I see, Nick decided they are not so critical
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11:25am
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nbelaevski
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right
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11:25am
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balunasj
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looks like both are resolved
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11:25am
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t_kuprevich
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yes
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11:26am
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balunasj
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lets focus on open issues that are current blockers or major issues that could effect release.
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11:26am
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t_kuprevich
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I would like you to see this one https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-6595 It's important and still unresolved
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11:26am
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balunasj
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it sounds like the BETA2 with these two fixes is in pretty good shape
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11:27am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: agree?
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11:27am
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t_kuprevich
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I would say it is better than before
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11:27am
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balunasj
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going in the right direction - thanks
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11:28am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: how about development team, it looks like everything is going well from previous status.
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11:28am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: anything new come up that we should discuss?
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11:29am
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nbelaevski
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right, almost well. we cannot complete https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-5226 though
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11:29am
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balunasj
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looking
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11:29am
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nbelaevski
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it's not an easy task...
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11:29am
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nbelaevski
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also memory consumption problems were reported by external users... we are investigating it
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11:30am
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balunasj
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RF-5226 is a pretty big issue  
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11:31am
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nbelaevski
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yes
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11:31am
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nbelaevski
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and I'd say it's an important one
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11:31am
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balunasj
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What is the blocker, just complex and time consuming?
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11:31am
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nbelaevski
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yes
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11:32am
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balunasj
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do we know if this was introduced in 3.3.0 or if this existed before
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11:32am
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nbelaevski
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existed long before
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11:32am
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balunasj
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I asked because if it existed before I would feel better about pushing off for 3.3.2
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11:32am
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nbelaevski
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we're following latest users' wishes in this point...
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11:33am
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nbelaevski
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I'm going to look at this once again
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11:33am
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nbelaevski
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and probably push to 3.3.2
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11:33am
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balunasj
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ok if we need to move it 3.3.2 with an explanation and any workarounds that might help - then make the issue a critical for 3.3.2
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11:34am
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nbelaevski
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no workarounds unfortunately
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11:34am
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nbelaevski
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explanations - np
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11:34am
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balunasj
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i mean - if we need to move it to 3.3.2 add an explanation and make it a critical.
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11:35am
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nbelaevski
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yes
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11:35am
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balunasj
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great thanks - anything else?
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11:35am
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nbelaevski
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no
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11:35am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: great
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11:36am
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balunasj
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smukhina: how is docs, anything you would like to bring up for 3.3.1?
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11:36am
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smukhina
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colorpicker will be completely described by Thursday, layout components are already described on 80%, other 20% will be done, when development was finished
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11:37am
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balunasj
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ok great - I'll try to review the color picker section when complete.
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11:37am
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smukhina
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also I have a question on Product FAQ
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11:37am
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smukhina
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is this document necessary for 3.3.1?
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11:37am
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balunasj
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smukhina: I'd like to hold off the wiki/faq to the end of the meeting.
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11:37am
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smukhina
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ok
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11:38am
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balunasj
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smukhina: no - FAQ's are for the wiki and site ans should not me tied to the release explicitly, unless the question answered is specific to a release.
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11:38am
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balunasj
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Konstantin: you are all set for release access correct?
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11:39am
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Konstantin
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I think, yes.
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11:39am
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balunasj
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Konstantin: great - let me know if there are problems
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11:39am
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balunasj
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It sounds like we are in good shape for BETA3 on Thursday
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11:40am
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balunasj
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so lets move on to some of the specifics
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11:40am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: how is the theme development going?
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11:42am
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alexsmirnov
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I finished portletbridge CR1 task Friday and started  Lex themes implementation yesterday. I'm going to finish that tomorrow, I believe.
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11:42am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: great
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11:42am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: the tools tasks can wait obviously
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11:43am
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balunasj
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So lets discuss the real world demo delivery plans
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11:43am
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alexsmirnov
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I prefer do not include these themes in the base libray but create separate project alike extended skins 'laguna' etc in the samples directory.
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11:44am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: interesting idea - the default theme would need to be the core UI lib though right?
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11:44am
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balunasj
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if not what would the layout component behavior be without it?
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11:49am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: if you are writing I'm sorry - I wish IRC could tell when someone is typing like regular IM
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11:49am
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alexsmirnov
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Layout components define placeholders only and do not have any visual effects. If we include themes in the main library, we could get conflict in the assembled project-wide style.
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11:49am
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alexsmirnov
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Nick already got it.
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11:50am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: "Nick already got it"?
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11:50am
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nbelaevski
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conflicts
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11:50am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ic
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11:51am
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nbelaevski
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task is already in JIRA. we've talked about violetRay only though
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11:51am
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balunasj
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ok so will that add a lot of work?  Creating new "theme" jars?
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11:51am
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nbelaevski
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shoud we package 'simple' in a separate .jar too?
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11:53am
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balunasj
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can "simple" be in the core jar ?
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11:53am
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alexsmirnov
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nbelaevski: I don't think so. I'll resolve conflicts if they have.
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11:53am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok good
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11:53am
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nbelaevski
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ok
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11:53am
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alexsmirnov
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simple has to be 'proof on concept' in the box.
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11:54am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: good - that is what I'm referring to above - with the default behavior
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11:54am
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nbelaevski
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how about moving it is in the separate org.richfaces.themes package?
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11:54am
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nbelaevski
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then we can filter them all easily
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11:55am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yes - I think themes should have there own packages - obviously users could package new ones how ever them want.
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11:55am
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balunasj
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but that would be there own theme.
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11:56am
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balunasj
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How is it packaged now?
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11:56am
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nbelaevski
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but user themes won't be included in richfaces-ui.jar
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11:56am
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balunasj
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hehe - correct
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11:56am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I'm talked with Alex half an hour ago and it could be a good idea to create archetype as for plug'n'skin feature but for themes
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11:56am
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nbelaevski
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the problem is because themes are overriding BODY and assembled into ui*.xcss
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11:57am
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nbelaevski
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ilya_shaikovsky: I'll create JIRA task for that now
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11:57am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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it could be the best way not only introduce the feature but gave a tool to create own themes
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11:57am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I like that idea a lot
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11:57am
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nbelaevski
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Jay, do you agree?
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11:58am
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nbelaevski
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good
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11:58am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: concerned about timing for it though
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11:58am
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alexsmirnov
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I did not think about theme archetypes before bu like that idea too.
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11:58am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure.. we finished on question "how much time will it cost"
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11:58am
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nbelaevski
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probably half or the whole day
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11:59am
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balunasj
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the layout component + themes has already taken a lot of time - how much more will developing/testing/docing the archtype?
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11:59am
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nbelaevski
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that's development time
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11:59am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good - if needed it can be doc'd later in a blog or something like that.
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11:59am
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nbelaevski
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sure
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11:59am
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balunasj
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and as long as dev smoke tests it well should not be too risky
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11:59am
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alexsmirnov
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it is simple. To create Maven archetype we need just one working project
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12:00pm
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balunasj
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right - just wanted to make sure that was it
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12:00pm
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nbelaevski
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also we need to add CDK tasks to handle themes generation
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12:00pm
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nbelaevski
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like mvn cdk:add-component
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12:00pm
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nbelaevski
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sorry, mvn cdk:add
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12:01pm
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balunasj
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hmm interesting - can write up those changes in a forum post for review
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12:01pm
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balunasj
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we are basically out of time
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12:01pm
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alexsmirnov
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nbelaevski: Are you sure ? I think archetype is enought
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12:02pm
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balunasj
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and I can't stay on too much longer, and I wanted to cover some planning items for next week.
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12:02pm
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nbelaevski
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i think users would adore packaging several themes in a single .jar
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12:02pm
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artdaw left the chat room.
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12:02pm
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nbelaevski
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ok, let's continue this discussion then
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12:02pm
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nbelaevski
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there are some more important questions to go
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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next week I would like to review jira in more detail
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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so please try to review you areas and we'll go through it.
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12:03pm
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nbelaevski
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ok, I'm doing tasks shifting according to the latest planning
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: great
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12:03pm
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alexsmirnov
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nbelaevski: The archetype is simple, but Maven goal is more complex. We can return prstpone that to next release.
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12:04pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I agree here - lets see what people think and how they use use
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12:04pm
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nbelaevski
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we can copy code
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12:04pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: prefer we don't copy/paste if possible - can lead to problems
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12:04pm
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nbelaevski
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there's some already there for plug'n'skin. should not be hard to reuse
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12:05pm
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nbelaevski
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yes, i didn't mean to say "copy"
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12:05pm
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nbelaevski
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sorry
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12:05pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: alexsmirnov lets continue this on the forums - ok?
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12:06pm
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nbelaevski
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i agree
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12:06pm
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alexsmirnov
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ok
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12:06pm
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balunasj
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So next week lets plan on discussing jira in more detail - so as I said lets try to review as much as we can - doc/dev/qa etc...
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12:07pm
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balunasj
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Also I would like to schedule some meeting for mid april for kick off 4.0 planning in detail - does that sounds reasonable?
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12:07pm
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balunasj
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dev should be winding down from 3.3.1 dev work
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12:07pm
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nbelaevski
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right
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12:08pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: if you have time can you update http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13173 with the latest info based
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12:08pm
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: I think we are ready for 4.0 detail plan
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12:08pm
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balunasj
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on the latest changes to the spec.
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12:08pm
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alexsmirnov
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I will.
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12:08pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: excellent
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12:09pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I know we can a lot already figured out, but I think april will be the best time to start figuring out who does what, and figure out those details.
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12:09pm
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balunasj
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like svn plans, and features, and review etc...
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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ok guys, I need to go - I'll post the minutes on the wiki please let me know if anything comes up.
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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Thanks
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12:10pm
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Thanks, bye
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12:11pm
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alexsmirnov
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Ok,bye  - I'm going to relocate to office too.
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12:11pm
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nbelaevski
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bye
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12:11pm
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smukhina
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thanks, bye