balunasj
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Alright everyone lets get started
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11:03am
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balunasj
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Here is the agenda in case anyone did not see it - http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13499
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11:04am
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balunasj
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There are some new color options for the logos - https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-6683
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11:04am
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balunasj
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check them out when you get a chance
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11:04am
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balunasj
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Also there have been quite a few active community members recently
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ilya_shaikovsky joined the chat room.
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11:05am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Hi All!
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balunasj
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It is nice to see, and we just need to continue encouraging them
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11:05am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Sorry
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11:05am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: Hi Ilya
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11:06am
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balunasj
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I wanted to let everyone know that I gave a presentation on JSF 2.0 last week
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balunasj
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and there was a lot of interest in RichFaces
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balunasj
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Most of the JSF users were using RF
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11:06am
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balunasj
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and I they are excited to see what we will be doing for 4.0
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11:07am
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balunasj
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Lastly Ilya and Gleb have been looking at migrating the FAQ
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alexsmirnov
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Max and I did RichFaces presentation for Silicon Valley JUG, there was real interest too
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11:08am
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balunasj
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excellent, I think we have a good opportunity here!!
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11:08am
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balunasj
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We need to nail down our 4.0 plans
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11:08am
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balunasj
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and push our message for the release
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11:09am
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alexsmirnov
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TreeTable author is logged in into ##jsf channel now. Does it make sense to invite him into RichFaces meeting ?
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11:09am
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balunasj
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Yes
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11:09am
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balunasj
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that is one of the items - since we have not heard from him in a bit
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11:10am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: would you like to do this since you have interacted with him?
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11:11am
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balunasj
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While we are waiting - ilya_shaikovsky and artdaw how is the FAQ work going?
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11:11am
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alexsmirnov
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I have no concrete response, he just confirmed interest to contribute.
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11:11am
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balunasj
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I know gleb had some issues with creating articles.
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11:11am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok, that is alright.
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11:11am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes
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artdaw
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yes
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11:11am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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we completelly cuts the needed info from old FAQ
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11:11am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and started moving
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11:12am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but gleb see "unexpected exception" during last two days
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11:12am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: Lets engage him in the forums, then see where this goes
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11:12am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: are you seeing it as well?
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11:13am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Gleb was working under old info moving while I'm working with demosite pages.. so I not tried
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11:13am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: artdaw ok - let me know how it is going offline - I can get IT involved if needed
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11:13am
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balunasj
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Lets move on the 3.3.1, unless someone have something else community side to discusss?
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11:14am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Jay
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ilya_shaikovsky
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one thing
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11:14am
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balunasj
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sure
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11:15am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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just before  meeting gleb was able to make post at wiki.. So this error is unstable as we see
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11:15am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: ok
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11:16am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: you started to tell us about the testing of 3.3.1 BETA4  - can you give us an overview?  How is the release looking from your perspective?
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11:17am
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t_kuprevich
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It looks as usual at this time. I think we better talk about BETA4 at the end of testing it
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11:17am
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t_kuprevich
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Nothing new critical found yet
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t_kuprevich
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except realworld
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: right
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11:18am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: we'll review those issues
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t_kuprevich
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right now?
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: no
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t_kuprevich
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ok
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: I think Andrei needs time to review and I'll be taking a look as well.
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11:19am
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t_kuprevich
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ok, contact me any time you need
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balunasj
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sure thing
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11:19am
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balunasj
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We'll discuss critical items for CR1 after the 3.3.1 status and prioritize from there.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: you had some ideas regarding the selenium tests
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11:20am
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nbelaevski
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yes
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: can you explain?
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11:20am
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nbelaevski
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currently we have a number of tests failing due to bugs in components
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11:21am
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nbelaevski
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fixing these bugs requires more resources than we have for now either as this can affect stability. so I suggest to move affected Selenium tests to a separate suite and start monitoring remaining tests
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: so the issue is that the failing tests are making monitoring the remaining issues difficult?
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nbelaevski
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right
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balunasj
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prabhat: any suggestions on waiving or marking tests like this?  What has JBoss QE done in the past?
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11:23am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: Given the timing of the release nbelaevski plan seems the best atm.
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balunasj
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although we need to define how to handle this moving forward.
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prabhat
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balunasj: i would say don't count result of selenium tests in stability as most of test failed anyway for whatever reason
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prabhat
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balunasj: at this stage I mean
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prabhat
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balunasj: it's hard to say until they have been consistently failing or passing
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balunasj
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prabhat: you mean with the current setup/testsuite, or in general due to env?
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prabhat
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balunasj: in current state i mean
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balunasj
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prabhat: ic
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: what are your thoughts - if the tests are providing value, but are difficult to track then I agree with you for the short term.
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balunasj
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We'll revisit for the 4.0 release - in more detail.
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nbelaevski
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yes, just for the short term. we will fix bugs after release
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok, lets go with that - I'll be sure to add a selenium suite review for 4.0 + figuring out the best way to mark tests as known issues.
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nbelaevski
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good
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: any thing else with selenium, or want to move on to photo demo status?
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nbelaevski
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nothing
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: great, so obviously the photo demo has started into QA
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11:29am
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balunasj
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and some issues have been found
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balunasj
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Andrei is reviewing - I'm assuming, and I'll take a look as well.
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balunasj
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Any big concerns as far as features, or development complete?
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11:32am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ^
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11:32am
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balunasj
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from the last status is seemed on track
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11:33am
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nbelaevski
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development complete, bug fixing is going on now
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balunasj
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great - that is what I thought
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balunasj
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smukhina: how about docs, are things moving forward? 
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smukhina
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yes, everything is going as planned
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smukhina
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except faq
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balunasj
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smukhina: I have reviewing the tutorial on my todo list
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balunasj
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smukhina: so I'll get feedback on that to you
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balunasj
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smukhina: whats up with the FAQ?  The article creation issue, or something else?
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11:35am
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smukhina
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ok, but we have already discussed it with nick and ilya - and will do some corrections
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balunasj
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smukhina: ok
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smukhina
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yes, the article creation issue
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balunasj
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smukhina: ok I will work more with gleb after the meeting and get IT involved if needed.
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smukhina
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ok, thanks
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balunasj
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smukhina: have you seen this issue if you attempt to create an article?
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11:36am
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balunasj
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artdaw's issue seems like permission issues, or something like that.
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smukhina
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no
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ilya_shaikovsky
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B.t.w. I've seem while editing some time ago
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ilya_shaikovsky
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seen*
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balunasj
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no you have not seen it, or no you have not tried?
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: ok we'll figure it out
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smukhina
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no, haven't seen it
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balunasj
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smukhina: ok - it does seem sporadic - we'll see what can be done.
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smukhina
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ok
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balunasj
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Lets move on to CR1 issues.
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balunasj
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I think most items are in good shape for CR1 next week.
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balunasj
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We need to investigate the photo demo issues
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11:39am
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balunasj
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and keep reviewing jira, which I will have more time for this week
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balunasj
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does anyone have any critical path items or concerns about going CR1 next week?
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: is the theme development wrapped up?
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11:41am
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alexsmirnov
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At most done: http://livedemo.exadel.com/richfaces-theme/pages/index.jsf
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11:42am
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alexsmirnov
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The only 'rounded' theme is not finished yet, its named as 'Theme one' in the sample.
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balunasj
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looking...
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11:43am
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balunasj
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cool, I see there is some clean up, but looks good.
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balunasj
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? about Violet Rays
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11:44am
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balunasj
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is that seems like a theme/skin combo
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balunasj
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Is the underlying skin preset?
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alexsmirnov
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The Violet Rays theme does not use skin colors. We can leave it just as sample of static themes.
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balunasj
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so this is an example of a self-contained static theme.
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balunasj
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sounds good.
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alexsmirnov
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It was straintforward import of free page template from internet.
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balunasj
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good I think an example like this is important.
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balunasj
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Anyone else any concerns that we have not discussed with CR1 next week?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I also have some points in jira to be done in order to rf-demo pages looks well
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11:47am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but seems all of them not critical.
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11:48am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I will check that I set "affects livedemo" jira mark properly to all of them in order to track more easilly.
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: Can these fit in the "examples" component
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11:49am
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balunasj
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just to help track them
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11:49am
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balunasj
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The live demo is like a really big example
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ilya_shaikovsky
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not a problem
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11:49am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I usually used affects demo like affects docs
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11:50am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but component seems even more convinient
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: thats fine too, but the component is easier to use.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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agree
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balunasj
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great - anyone else?
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balunasj
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going once
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balunasj
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going twice...
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11:51am
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balunasj
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seriously if any does come up just let me know.
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11:51am
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balunasj
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no need to wait for the meeting
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11:51am
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balunasj
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I wanted to touch base on the 4.0 planning meeting next week.
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11:52am
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alexsmirnov
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I'm working on plan now.
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11:52am
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balunasj
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Alex and I will be updating the wiki with 4.0 plans and items for discussion.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: excellent.
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balunasj
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I will be adding some of the other details and items.
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11:53am
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alexsmirnov
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ok.
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balunasj
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Next week at the meeting we do not need to nail down everything, but I want everyone to feel like they know where we are going and why.
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11:53am
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balunasj
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And what the next steps are.
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11:53am
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balunasj
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As things wrap up with 3.3.1 we should have plans for starting 4.0 dev etc....
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11:54am
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balunasj
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that is what I would like to discuss next week.
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11:54am
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alexsmirnov
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Out of topic: Is Jboss World presentations are done ? We did not get neither confirmation nor decline yet.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I'm wondering that myself
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balunasj
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there are some people in town that I will talk with.
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balunasj
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I'll email you when I find out.
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alexsmirnov
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Ok.
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balunasj
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ok, so between now and next week please take a minute to review the wiki pages, and think about what is needed.
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11:56am
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balunasj
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We'll use the wiki and comments for feedback
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11:56am
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balunasj
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That was all the items I was planning on discussing - anyone have anything else to add?
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11:57am
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balunasj
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ok everyone - thanks for coming and I'll post the minutes shortly.
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balunasj
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artdaw ilya_shaikovsky if you want to stick around we can talk about the wiki