balunasj
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all: lets get started
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11:10am
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balunasj
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I think everyone is here.
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11:10am
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balunasj
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So first of all - Red Hat IT is working on the forums
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11:11am
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balunasj
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balunasj: I can't believe they have been down so long, and I'm not sure what is down.
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11:11am
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balunasj
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I'll send out emails when I find out.
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11:11am
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balunasj
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SVN is also spotty - has anyone seen that?
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11:12am
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balunasj
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it does not seem to effect everyone.
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11:12am
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balunasj
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Also I will be extending the logo feedback time
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11:12am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I'm commited the code today without problems.. so seems not everything is so bad
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11:13am
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balunasj
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because I can't tell people on the forums.
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11:13am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: thanks - I did not have any issues either, but I now others did.
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11:14am
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balunasj
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So Thursday or Friday I will add up the comments and we'll figure out the logo so any feedback please add it to the jira.
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11:14am
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balunasj
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I'll post about it as soon as the forums are back up.
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11:14am
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balunasj
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Obviously your opinion are important so I would like to hear from you on the color mockups.
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11:15am
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: I got only problem with Seam repository, bu I thought it was because of project structure changes.
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11:15am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: that could be
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11:15am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: but I know others had issues with AS, JPA, and others too.
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11:15am
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balunasj
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I think IT is scrambling to figure out what happened and how to fix it.
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11:16am
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balunasj
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Next
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11:16am
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balunasj
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Contributor agreements
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11:16am
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balunasj
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I talked to piotr about his agreement and he filled out an individual agreement
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11:17am
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balunasj
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kubek2k__ and klester should sign one as well.
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11:17am
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balunasj
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The rule I was told was that anyone who contributes more than 5 lines of code need to sign an agreement.
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11:18am
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balunasj
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exadel people are excluded because of the partnership agreement.
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11:18am
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balunasj
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I'll send emails to klester
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11:18am
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balunasj
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amd we'll talk to kubek2k__ about it tomorrow.
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11:19am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: anyone else that I am missing?
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11:20am
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nbelaevski
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no
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11:20am
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balunasj
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great
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11:21am
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balunasj
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So lets move on to 3.3.1 release
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11:21am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: how is everything looking.  Jira looks ok, and your last report did not show any critical or blockers?
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11:21am
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t_kuprevich
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yes, you are right
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11:21am
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t_kuprevich
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everything looks fine
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11:22am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: great - I know there are still issues with photo album, but they being looked at.
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11:22am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: Everything looked good in your last status, anything new for 3.3.1?
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11:22am
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t_kuprevich
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I also woul'd like to discuss one point aout jira, maybe after the meeting
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11:22am
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nbelaevski
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nothing
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11:23am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: no problem
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11:23am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: great
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11:23am
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balunasj
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smukhina: how about docs?  I still owe you the tutorial review, but have been really busy
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11:23am
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balunasj
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smukhina: you'll have it today.
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11:24am
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smukhina
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issue on docs  -is photo album nightly tutorial update
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11:24am
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balunasj
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smukhina: let me check the site
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11:24am
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smukhina
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I can't set it, need help from Alex
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11:25am
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balunasj
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http://www.jboss.org/file-access/default/members/jbossrichfaces/freezone/docs/realworld/en/html_single/index.html
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11:25am
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balunasj
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no still showing the older document
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11:25am
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balunasj
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smukhina: is that populated manually?
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11:26am
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smukhina
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it's a release doc
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11:26am
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smukhina
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http://www.jboss.org/jbossrichfaces/docs
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11:26am
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: Does Red Hat have contributor agreement in the public access ? I think the project main page has to have reference to that document and contribution procedure as well.
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11:27am
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smukhina
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here there are two sets of docs
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11:27am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: yup, and I agree we need that info on the wiki and project page
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11:27am
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smukhina
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one - release, ther other - nightly
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11:27am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: http://www.jboss.org/contributor/
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11:28am
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alexsmirnov
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smuchina: I got your email about documents and will setup build as soon as possible.
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11:28am
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smukhina
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now photo album tutorial is only in release docs
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11:28am
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smukhina
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ok, Alex - thanx
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11:29am
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balunasj
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smukhina: so the how can we remove or update "RichFaces Real World Application Tutorial"?  Is that Alex was asked to do, or does someone need to do it manually?
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11:29am
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nbelaevski
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Alex, what do you think about moving this to JBoss Hudson?
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11:29am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: +1
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11:29am
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nbelaevski
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as far as I know deployment is done by Exadel Hudson now
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11:30am
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alexsmirnov
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smukhina: the only one problem is same as for over documents - I need to put login and password somewhere on hudson. I do not with to put security information to public access.
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11:30am
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smukhina
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in release section - till the next release we can't - as it like making bug-fixing in the released build, in the nightly build section - I'll create a link to an update tutorial as soon as Alex will add it to the nightly build
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11:31am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: This can sometimes be handled with private config files, or in the "configuration" for the build
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11:32am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: only jboss/exadel people can see the config so you can set parameters there.
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11:32am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: there may also be a way to this in a property file that is only accessible by the builds.
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11:33am
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nbelaevski
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we can take a look at JBoss Tools docs configuration...
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11:33am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I'm not an expert there though, you would need to contact the admins.
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11:33am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: good idea
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11:33am
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balunasj
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is this something konstantin could look at as part of his release tasks?
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11:33am
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balunasj
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Instead of having alexsmirnov
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11:34am
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rruss joined the chat room.
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11:34am
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alexsmirnov
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I used Exadel Hudson because I setup addition plugin for sftp publication on them. I'll ask Red Hat IT if I need same modification on Jboss server.
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11:34am
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nbelaevski
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I'm not sure he has required access to Exadel Hudson
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11:34am
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balunasj
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I'm assuming Exadel Hudson is setup inside of exadel?
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11:34am
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alexsmirnov
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Yes, It is.
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11:34am
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balunasj
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or something else?
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11:35am
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balunasj
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I think that the docs builds should go in JBoss hudson as well
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11:35am
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balunasj
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Also we should just have one set up ( ideally in JBoss hudson).
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11:35am
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balunasj
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is that possible?
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11:36am
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smukhina
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I think yes, for JBDS and Tools we have build on hudson
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11:36am
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balunasj
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smukhina: which one - jboss hudson?
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11:36am
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smukhina
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I think, yes - as I need RH vpn to access it
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11:36am
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balunasj
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smukhina: ok good
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11:37am
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smukhina
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Denis Golovin from Tools team created this doc build
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11:37am
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balunasj
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lets handle this off line so we can finish up
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11:38am
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smukhina
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ok
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11:38am
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balunasj
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AI smukhina , alexsmirnov, nbelaevski , balunasj : figure out doc builds.
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11:38am
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nbelaevski
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ok
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11:38am
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smukhina
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ok
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11:38am
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balunasj
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smukhina: other than that docs are ok for CR1?
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11:38am
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nbelaevski
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just one question
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11:38am
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nbelaevski
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when to release CR2?
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11:39am
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nbelaevski
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there is series of holidays in Minsk coming
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11:39am
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nbelaevski
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looks like only 29th and 30th are working days on the next week
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11:39am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I would say May 1st
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11:39am
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balunasj
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give every time to get changes in
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11:40am
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balunasj
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by this friday we should have jira minimized to what is really going to be in
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11:40am
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smukhina
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yes, btw, lot's of doc issue that are still  opened in jira are done on 80-90% or are 30-40minutes tasks
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11:40am
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balunasj
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and CRs should really be basically stable except for final issues.
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11:41am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: then if everything is looking good we can release GA May 5th
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11:41am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Jay, 1 May is also holiday...
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11:41am
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nbelaevski
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yes, as expected
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11:41am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: doh forgot
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11:41am
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balunasj
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I need a holiday list from minsk
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11:42am
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nbelaevski
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t_kuprevich: what's your opinion?
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11:42am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: beat me to it - how much time do you need
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11:42am
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balunasj
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?
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11:42am
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t_kuprevich
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i think it should be ok
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11:42am
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amitev left the chat room. ("Although nobody can come back and make a new start, anyone can start now and make a new end")
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11:43am
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nbelaevski
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we were going to do: CR1 - 24, CR2 - 28, CR3 - 30
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11:43am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Jay, I'll send you.. we have no ready doc so I'll get from our calendar in management system and send today
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11:43am
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nbelaevski
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I suggest to put CR2 29 or 30, depending on CR1 state
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11:43am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: I was thinking CR1 24, CR2 29th, GA May 5th
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11:43am
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nbelaevski
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if CR1 is clear then 30, else 29
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11:43am
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alexsmirnov
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Jav, I've send 2009 holidays schedule to you.
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11:43am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: thanks
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11:44am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: sounds good
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11:44am
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balunasj
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so CR2 29th or 30th
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11:44am
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balunasj
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GA May 5th
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11:44am
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nbelaevski
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t_kuprevich: are you ok with that?
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11:45am
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nbelaevski
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and omit CR3
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11:45am
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nbelaevski
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?
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11:45am
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: smukhina nbelaevski alexsmirnov sound good to everyone?
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11:45am
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t_kuprevich
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fine
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11:45am
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smukhina
:
ok
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11:45am
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alexsmirnov
:
ok
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11:45am
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nbelaevski
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ok
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11:45am
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balunasj
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Great!  If we find we need a CR3 we will do one, and shift - ideally we won't
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11:46am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: are Themes all set?
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11:48am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I've create archetype/goal for themes creation
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11:49am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok great
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11:49am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I'll try to take a look
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11:49am
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balunasj
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Last week theme's and layout were brought up as an item that needed more work before CR1
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11:49am
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nbelaevski
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the only problem: generated themes require JSF dependency and I do not know how to check whether it's present in the project
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11:50am
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nbelaevski
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so it just adds dep fro Sun RI 1.2_12
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11:50am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I'm fine with that
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11:50am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: users can change, and we can adjust if needed
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11:50am
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alexsmirnov
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The themes at most done. I just spent a lot of time for rounded/shadowed images in Lex's theme.
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11:50am
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nbelaevski
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yes, they can. ok
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11:51am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: great
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11:51am
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balunasj
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all: is there anything else that is an area of concern for CR1?
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11:51am
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balunasj
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if not we'll move on to Jira
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11:52am
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alexsmirnov
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We've discussed theme names with Ilia. The first Lex's design is going to be named 'smooth' and second one as 'oldschool' because it based on 'table's.
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11:52am
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alexsmirnov
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Does anyone have better ideas ?
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11:53am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: tables but no I don't have better names atm
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11:53am
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balunasj
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ok lets move on to jira quick
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11:54am
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balunasj
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smukhina: you mentioned that many of the jira left don't have much work left
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11:54am
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balunasj
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smukhina: can you try to clear those out and move them if needed?
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11:54am
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smukhina
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yes
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11:54am
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balunasj
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smukhina: ok great
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11:55am
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smukhina
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ok till Friday I'll do this
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11:55am
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balunasj
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smukhina: exactly for friday I would like jira pretty clear
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11:55am
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smukhina
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ok, it will be
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11:55am
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balunasj
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As I say in the agenda I created new releases and component
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11:56am
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balunasj
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So if something needs to be postponed it can be easily.
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11:56am
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balunasj
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I was thinking of breaking down components more
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11:56am
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balunasj
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component-input
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11:56am
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balunasj
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component-output
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11:56am
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balunasj
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component-a4j
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11:56am
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balunasj
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etc....
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11:56am
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balunasj
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thoughts?
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11:57am
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balunasj
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I don't want to go down to the specific component level unless there are a lot of issues like for the SDT
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11:58am
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nbelaevski
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that's ok. probably, a4j components should be classified also
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11:58am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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We talk about this many times and it seems will be really great and usefull to get the whole picture having 300+ opened bugs..
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11:58am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Agreed to Nick..
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11:58am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agreed
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11:58am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: what break down woudl you suggest?
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11:58am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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at lease a4j-resource a4j-action
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11:59am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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least*
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11:59am
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nbelaevski
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also poll/push
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12:00pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: do you think these will have enough issues assigned to be worth their own component in jira?
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12:00pm
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balunasj
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I could see push/pull
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12:00pm
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nbelaevski
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I think that push may be worth that
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12:00pm
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balunasj
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and resource perhaps
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12:01pm
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balunasj
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we don't need to figure it all out today
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12:01pm
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balunasj
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as we are classifying if there are obvious groupings
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12:01pm
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balunasj
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we can just create new components for them
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12:01pm
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nbelaevski
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can I ask question about versioning?
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12:02pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: of coarse
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12:02pm
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nbelaevski
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good, then: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-6864
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12:02pm
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nbelaevski
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is it for 4.0.0 alpha/beta/cr?
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12:02pm
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nbelaevski
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and should we assign some concrete version now?
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12:02pm
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balunasj
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well in this case I would say beta
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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because alpha will be only for core JSF 2.0 and other core issues needed for the alpha
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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Items like this should move to beta, then we can classify more when we get closer.
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12:04pm
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nbelaevski
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good, thank you for the explanation
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12:04pm
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balunasj
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sure thing
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12:04pm
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nbelaevski
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probably, we can add a short description here: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:versions-panel
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12:04pm
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nbelaevski
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how do you think, is it useful?
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12:05pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: good idea - I'll update with descriptions here to help
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12:05pm
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nbelaevski
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great
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12:05pm
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balunasj
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So I create some more components and look deeper into the current jira.
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12:05pm
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balunasj
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issues for 3.3.1 and may start to look at others.
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12:06pm
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balunasj
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I still want to review 3.1.X at some point
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12:06pm
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balunasj
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but not a priority
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12:06pm
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balunasj
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Also the new site release is for non version specific changes to wiki, or project site
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12:07pm
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balunasj
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and the wiki/site-improvement components are for the same, but could also apply to version specific issues.
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12:07pm
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balunasj
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smukhina: some of your doc issues probably fall into these categories.
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12:08pm
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smukhina
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I'll look through tasks and set new components where necessary
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12:09pm
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balunasj
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all: feel free to discuss ideas for improvements to jira and other part of the project too - in the forums or email, or next meeting.
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12:09pm
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balunasj
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RichFaces 4.0 meeting have been moved
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12:09pm
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: Jira has 'label' optional field. Is it make sense to use that field to define concrete JSF component or feature ?
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I think that is a good idea, and less formal for specific components
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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so when possible use the component field to identify specific components.
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12:10pm
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: one more idea - disable "Fix Version" field for non-committers
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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I'll write this up in jira, and this will also be part of a
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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jira usage plan.
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12:11pm
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balunasj
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er - I mean wiki article,
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12:11pm
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and priority also
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12:11pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yeah we talked about that as well I'm not sure we can do that atm.
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12:11pm
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nbelaevski
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got that
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12:11pm
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balunasj
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although if a user is abusing it we can remove them
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12:11pm
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alexsmirnov
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For example, It is very hard to find all 'calendar' component issues but 100+ options in the JIRA 'components' list could overhelmed as vell. Unfortunally, JIRA has no 'tag' feature.
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12:12pm
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ilya_shaikovsky
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B.t.w. Jay what about jira users groups?
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12:12pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: yup I agree that is why I wanted to only have components for larger groupings of components.
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12:13pm
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: rruss looked into that and he may have the right permissions for this.
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12:13pm
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balunasj
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I'll talk with him about setting those up.
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12:13pm
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: we have twenty users from the same company voting for the features they need... that's probably not an abuse, but doesn't look fair, in my opinion
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12:14pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yeah technically it is not abuse, but something to take into consideration for the votes.
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12:14pm
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: we do
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12:15pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski:
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12:15pm
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balunasj
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all good ideas guys
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12:15pm
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alexsmirnov
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Guys, I have to run from home to office. I'll be back in 50 minutes.
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12:15pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov and I still owe updated wiki articles for 4.0 planning that we will
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balunasj
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do this week.
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12:16pm
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: no problem
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alexsmirnov
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Ok.
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balunasj
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all: we are running over anyway - does anyone have anything else to add?
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12:17pm
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t_kuprevich
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I have just my own question
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12:17pm
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balunasj
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remember to subscribe to the team meeting page to get updates for agenda and meeting minutes
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12:17pm
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: sure
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12:17pm
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: the jira issue from before?
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12:17pm
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t_kuprevich
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btw, where can I subscribe?
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12:17pm
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ilya_shaikovsky
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on the page.. log in and there will be the link
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12:18pm
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t_kuprevich
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I whote a letter to jira admin, to assing all the necessary permissions for Vazim, our newcomer
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12:18pm
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t_kuprevich
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you were in a copy of a letter
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12:18pm
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t_kuprevich
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but there are no any changes in permissions
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12:18pm
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t_kuprevich
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for him
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12:19pm
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: ok I can look into it - for things like this just email me directly and I can get it done.
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12:20pm
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t_kuprevich
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shoud I email you again?
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12:20pm
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t_kuprevich
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ilya_shaikovsky: a page with the meeting agenda?
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12:20pm
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: I'll search for it, if I can't find it I'll email.
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12:21pm
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t_kuprevich
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balunasj: ok, tanks a lot
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12:21pm
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balunasj
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t_kuprevich: no subscribe to this page http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13462
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12:21pm
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balunasj
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then you'll get updates when I post the agenda and minutes.
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12:21pm
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t_kuprevich
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again, thanks
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12:22pm
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balunasj
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all: thanks for coming, good meeting, and we're getting to the end for 3.3.1
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12:22pm
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balunasj
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then on to 4.0
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12:22pm
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t_kuprevich
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thank you too, good bye