balunasj
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Hello all FYI agenda: http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda5-26-2009
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balunasj
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We'll give people a few minutes to join then get started.
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11:02am
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balunasj
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probably won't be a long meeting today
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balunasj
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ok lets get started
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11:06am
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balunasj
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other people will have to catch up or  read the transcripts
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11:06am
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balunasj
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11:06am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: lets talk about the svn updates first
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11:06am
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balunasj
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do you want to describe?
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11:08am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, Jay, thanks
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11:09am
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nbelaevski
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1) I'm moving all old branches into branches/archive folder. it's ok, however there's jsf2.0 branch that I don't know where to move
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11:09am
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nbelaevski
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2) we have relatively big number of tags created for BETAs/CRs for the previous releases
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11:10am
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balunasj
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Alex was using the jsf2.0 branch for jsf-test work
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nbelaevski
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I suggest to remove these tags and leave only *.GA/*.SR?/3.3.1.* for now
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nbelaevski
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well, I'll move it into community then
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11:10am
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balunasj
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What do you think of a "sandbox" branch
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11:10am
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balunasj
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for things like this?
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11:11am
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balunasj
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It could also give a place for experimental work
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nbelaevski
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good
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balunasj
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ok great lets do that
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11:11am
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balunasj
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so as for tags
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11:11am
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balunasj
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if you look here "http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/seam/tags/"
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11:12am
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balunasj
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there are a large # of branches
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balunasj
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sorry tags
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balunasj
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http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/richfaces/tags/
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balunasj
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while here 3.0.2-SNAPSHOT
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balunasj
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and 3_0_1_prerc4
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11:13am
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balunasj
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can be removed
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11:13am
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nbelaevski
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they should be gone now, please do Ctrl+F5
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balunasj
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balunasj
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Alex might have an opinion here
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11:13am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: hi alex
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11:13am
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nbelaevski
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alexsmirnov: hello
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11:14am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: we are discussing cleaning up tags.  There are two camps
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11:14am
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balunasj
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1) remove older pre-release tags
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11:15am
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balunasj
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2) leave the tags as is
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11:15am
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balunasj
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thoughts?
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11:19am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: must not be on lets move on and we'll email
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11:19am
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balunasj
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offline
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11:19am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: one more thing to ask
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11:19am
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balunasj
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sure
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11:19am
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nbelaevski
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looks like we use 1.4 SVN server version. are there any plans to migrate to 1.5?
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11:20am
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balunasj
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unknown.  What is the impact?
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11:20am
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nbelaevski
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I've started svn up --depth=immediates on Seam repository today - it's still updating
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11:21am
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balunasj
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just because it is so large?  What would the version change?
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alexsmirnov
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Hi! I just started.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok
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11:21am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: do you see the posts from above, or should we repost?
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11:21am
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balunasj
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about tags
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11:21am
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nbelaevski
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yes, because it is large. SVN RedBook says that it will transfer all data from 1.4 version but write to disc only the neccessary part
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11:22am
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alexsmirnov
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I see posts about cleaning up tags.
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11:22am
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nbelaevski
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that's if server is 1.4 and 1.5 client
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: thoughts on the two options?
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ic
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: feel free to email helpdesk@redhat.com and cc me.
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11:23am
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alexsmirnov
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I prefer to remove old tags
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11:24am
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nbelaevski
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alexsmirnov: I agree
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok, let me R&D jboss policy on it (probably fine), I'm just not sure about removing them all.
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11:25am
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balunasj
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I'll look into it and then we can figure it out later today
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11:26am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: we are also talking about /branches/sandbox
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11:26am
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balunasj
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for things like the jsf2.0 branch
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balunasj
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and we were also wondering what the "refactor1" branch is for?
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11:27am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: is the 3.0.2 branch really 3.0.X
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balunasj
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or is that for something else?
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: probably yes, I cannot remember that for sure
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alexsmirnov
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For 4.0 branch i have one appeal - do not make changes without me. I can give me a lot of work for synchronization.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: sure
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balunasj
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are you referring to jsf2.0 branch
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balunasj
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: that is one of the things I wanted to talk about was where you are doing your work?
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11:29am
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alexsmirnov
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I work with https://svn.jboss.org/repos/richfaces/branches/jsf2.0 , CDK part the most.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok
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balunasj
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so we would like to move this to /branches/sandbox/jsf2.0
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balunasj
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but won't unless it will work for you
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balunasj
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could you use the svn switch
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balunasj
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or we can just wait until you are ready to commit
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alexsmirnov
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So, do not move that branch. It would be better to create a new entries where I can merge my stuff.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: so you mean copy the current to jsf2.0 to sandbox and you'll merge your changes there?
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11:35am
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alexsmirnov
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I meant do not copy existing branch but create a new structure from scratch, where we can merge or copy existing code.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: right that is what we are going to be doing with the 4.0 build structure from the wiki
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alexsmirnov
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I merged all 3.3.1.GA code into 4.0 branch last Thursday, just after release.
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alexsmirnov
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Ok.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: but what we are talking about is cleaning up the svn repo so that sandbox branches like jsf2.0 are in their own spot.
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11:38am
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balunasj
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it is not something that is critical right now - but we were taking the opportunity to do some spring cleaning
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alexsmirnov
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We can do it late, as a new structure is going to be main development place.
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balunasj
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I'm fine with holding off moving jsf2.0 branch for now - we'll wait until all dev is in 4.0 structure.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: on a related note what is "refactor1"
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balunasj
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for
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ilya_s[home]
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Jay.. Nick lost connection.. he isn't available currently
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alexsmirnov
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It's old thing. That branch was created while we made JSD 1.1 - 1.2 transition. The number '1' means the attempt number. There was a same task as we discuss now
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balunasj
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ilya_s[home]: ok thanks
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok so we can move to sandbox or remove right - do you care?
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alexsmirnov
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We can remove that, but SVN never remove any content really, it just mark that 'invisible'. It makes sense to avoid confuses only.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: exactly - we're not losing history, just added consistent structure to make it easier to work with.
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alexsmirnov
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I wish only do not remove 'jsf2.0' branch before I move all code into the new workplace.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: absolutely
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balunasj
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we will leave that until we are set - and in the future we will use the new /branches/sandbox for things like that.
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alexsmirnov
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sure.
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balunasj
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cool
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balunasj
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so I think that covers the general svn questions
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: lost connection, and Pavel is out so lets move on to 4.0 stuff for tomorrows meeting.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: how is the work flow write up going for the CDK?
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alexsmirnov
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I wrote out to wiki some documents that I've created for the current SDK development and going to rewrite the main page with references to them. Take a look for that before a meeting.
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alexsmirnov
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I'll send email with references as I done.
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balunasj
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excellent!
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balunasj
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Anton, Nick and I will be working on the new build system for 4.0 this week
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balunasj
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svn clean up is part of that
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balunasj
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then we can start migrating to it as possible.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: hi nick
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balunasj
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Just to wrap up:
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nbelaevski
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hi guys! sorry, address conflict kicked me from network
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: no problem
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: we are going to leave jsf2.0 branch alone for now, and refactor1 can be removed
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nbelaevski
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well, I'll do
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alexsmirnov
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Ok. The most important thing for tomorrow meeting is proprietary part of CDK configuration. We can't use standard directives and annotations only, therefore we have to define necessary extensions.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I R&D as much as I can for that meeting.  Do I need to wait for your updated wiki pages your talked about, or is the existing articles enough to get started?
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alexsmirnov
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I wish to wrote out all thing into the one place. May be I will create meeting agenda page.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: please feel free - if you wish I can create a section on the first RF 4.0 planning wiki page where we can link to the agendas/minutes just for this planning
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balunasj
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probably a good idea anyway.
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balunasj
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I'll forward you a link to the page, and then you can link to it when you write up the agenda
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: can you talk to Pavel about the component optimization stuff from the agenda since he could not be here?
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: if needed we can have another meeting, but we should ok for now.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I would just like to see the impact of the changes he is working on, and the forum/wiki is probably the best place.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: what do you think of the above idea regarding the agendas?
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ok
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: thanks
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balunasj
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I'll write up the minutes as usual. 
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alexsmirnov
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It's ok. Last meeting we waste a some time to define the subject.
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balunasj
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I agree - lets do that!
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balunasj
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ok everyone thanks I'll talk to you later
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nbelaevski
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thank you too
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ilya_s[home]
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thanks!