balunasj
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ok everyone lets get started
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11:03am
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balunasj
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I have a meeting right after this so I have a hard stop
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balunasj
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As I said the agenda is posted in the IRC topic
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balunasj
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We've had some good activity on the community side of things
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balunasj
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Ilya wrote up and started the RichFaces in Production page
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balunasj
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and we already have 4 community entries
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balunasj
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Please let people know that this exists -  I know we have had some interest in this in the past
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11:06am
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balunasj
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clerum has created a new wiki page discussing IE8 workaround that someone should review quickly
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balunasj
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I took a quick look and it looks good - I'll twitter it once it is reviewed.
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balunasj
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clerum: thanks for that by the way
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balunasj
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: nbelaevski could you guys give it a quick review
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clerum
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np
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes.. and as I said tommorow we have one request also here in Minsk about this
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nbelaevski
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looks good
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: thats right - good I also created a jira to allow for setting the injection point in the header for RF scripts
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balunasj
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this may come up again
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11:08am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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workaround seems good but not for the guys who not using seam
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: thanks
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11:10am
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balunasj
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Another user Tim Potter created a detailed registration example with RichFaces and seam and he is interested in contributing it.
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11:10am
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balunasj
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I have talked to him and he is mavening it and got it working with the RF 3.3.1
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balunasj
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You can see his blog
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balunasj
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I'd like to include this in 3.3.2 examples once we take a look further.
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balunasj
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sound good?
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nbelaevski
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sure
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ilya_shaikovsky
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even better
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ilya_shaikovsky
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than good
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balunasj
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btw - for point releases I don't mind add things like self contained examples.
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balunasj
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it is just new features or api changes that I don't like to see in them
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balunasj
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balunasj
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Ilya has also been working on some more wiki updates and we will be shifting to him new wiki home page soon.
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: can you post the link to it?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JBossRichFaces
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balunasj
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its not final, but it is getting there
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes.. still not final
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balunasj
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The new RF project page on .org has been started, but is on hold while we work on and finalize 4.0
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balunasj
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planning, and 3.3.2 stuff
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balunasj
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I hope to work on it in my free time so we'll see how it goes.
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balunasj
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anyone have any other community items before we move on to 3.3.2?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I join you in this work
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ilya_shaikovsky
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on .org page also
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I / could /
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: sure I would welcome the help - we can talk offline about passwords and access to the new project site management tools
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure
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balunasj
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balunasj
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I asked Ilya and pavel to review some of the css changes to components
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: can you take it from here and walk us through some of the changes
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Sure Jay
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I choosen dataTable as it was marked as most affected at forums in order to show the changes
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11:20am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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So lets look to some dataTable related diffs on this task
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ilya_shaikovsky
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AbstractTableRenderer http://viewvc.jboss.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/richfaces/branches/community/3.3.X/ui/dataTable/src/main/java/org/richfaces/renderkit/AbstractTableRenderer.java?r1=14239&r2=14286
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ilya_shaikovsky
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AbstractRowsRenderer http://viewvc.jboss.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/richfaces/branches/community/3.3.X/ui/dataTable/src/main/java/org/richfaces/renderkit/AbstractRowsRenderer.java?r1=14239&r2=14286
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ilya_shaikovsky
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SubTableRenderer http://viewvc.jboss.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/richfaces/branches/community/3.3.X/ui/dataTable/src/main/java/org/richfaces/renderkit/html/SubTableRenderer.java?r1=14239&r2=14286
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ilya_shaikovsky
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All the others will contains the same changes
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and the changes in xcss according to the names changes
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://viewvc.jboss.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/richfaces/branches/community/3.3.X/ui/dataTable/src/main/resources/org/richfaces/renderkit/html/css/table.xcss?r1=14239&r2=14286
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ilya_shaikovsky
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So Pavel checked the results on dataTable-demo developer sample
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and got the 46% size reducing results
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I've made the same checks with richfaces demo
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: what were your finding in the demo?  were you able to compare?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I've checked the html generated by the table on livedemo (3.3.1 GA) and on my local snapshot
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ilya_shaikovsky
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with fireBug
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ilya_shaikovsky
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And as the demo contains more data in cells itself
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ilya_shaikovsky
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(dev-demo has just "1" "2" and so on values for cells)
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ilya_shaikovsky
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ilya_shaikovsky
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so my results is 10-20 percents of size reducing
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ilya_shaikovsky
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on the pages with dataTable
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: sure, but that is still good especially since the datatables are so widely used.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Sure
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ilya_shaikovsky
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b.t.w.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Pavel will return tommorow
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ilya_shaikovsky
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we hope
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and finally revert the small incompatible changes
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ilya_shaikovsky
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so the task will be completelly closed
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balunasj
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I hope so too - at least he should be better for the trip
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: ok
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ilya_shaikovsky
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And we already works on scripts initialization optimization
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balunasj
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I was looking at http://viewvc.jboss.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/richfaces/branches/community/3.3.X/ui/dataTable/src/main/resources/org/richfaces/renderkit/html/css/table.xcss?r1=14239&r2=14286
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balunasj
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line 201
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balunasj
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is this one of the changes where you replaces a dr- with a rich-
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: that is what I thought
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I not meant that we will revert such changes.. No.. only mentioned in letter
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balunasj
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sure - I have no problems with interal dr- values changing
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Appearance of missed rich classes should just be announced
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: agreed
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: great just looking through
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balunasj
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did you want to show any other components?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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No.. all the components has the same changes. And have no incompatible ones
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: excellent thanks for going over the changes
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ilya_shaikovsky
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B.t.w.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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for 4.0
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balunasj
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This is the type of quick reviews I would like to do more often with changes
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ilya_shaikovsky
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except review the classes once more in order to split or combine some of them to make more usefull
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11:31am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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we probably should make the names shorter as for previous dr-* ones ?
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11:31am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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like rich-dt-cell ?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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or you prefer to save full names in order to be more readable?
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yup I was thinking something similar because individually it does not seem like a big deal, but 1000s of rows and 100s of components that adds up
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balunasj
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As long as we are clear and consistent with naming I open to changes like this
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balunasj
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something like rf-dt-cell for RichFaces Data Table Cell
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes.. So we should keep this in mind for 4.0
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balunasj
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agree I'll add it to the agenda
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: again thanks Ilya - we should plan to have some different people go over various changes and discuss weekly
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balunasj
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balunasj
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We have had some people wondering about our release plans for 3.3.2
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balunasj
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I have told them that we will be discussing this more at next weeks meeting
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balunasj
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My initial thoughts are to release 3.3.2.CR1 late July and GA in august
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11:38am
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balunasj
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hopefully with the reduced scope and release plan (discussed next week) we can limit impact to 4.0
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11:39am
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balunasj
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Also we may be changing the naming convention for GA to not be GA
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11:39am
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balunasj
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just 3.3.2
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balunasj
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I am verifying this now with pmuir and rruss
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11:40am
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balunasj
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should not really effect us, but anyone have any thoughts on it?
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pmuir
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balunasj: maybe we should switch to maven conventions entirely?
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nbelaevski
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3.3.2 < 3.3.2.CR1 - will auto update work ok?
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balunasj
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pmuir: I saw your comment on seam-dev - that should be ok with JBoss
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balunasj
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pmuir: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/Naming+Conventions
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balunasj
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pmuir: I'm looking for the page that explains the convention - I know I've scene it somewhere
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balunasj
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there is also http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-naming-conventions.html
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balunasj
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but these don'y discuss betas, and crs
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balunasj
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ok lets put this on hold for now we need to verify a thing or two
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balunasj
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we'll discuss at the f-2-f
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balunasj
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<next>
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balunasj
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Does anyone wan to bring up any concerns or issues with 3.3.2?
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balunasj
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ok
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balunasj
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so I added the 4.0.0 agenda items just for conversation purposes.  I'll make this section the agenda for tomorrow
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balunasj
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The big think I wanted to do tomorrow is review the f-2-f agenda, for 4.0 and
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11:51am
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balunasj
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wrap up any loose ends we have before the meeting
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11:52am
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balunasj
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if anyone has any additions to this just send me an email or post it.
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balunasj
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Anyone have anything else before we wrap up this meeting?
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balunasj
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ok guys I need to head to another meeting - I'll write up minutes and we'll talk later
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ilya_shaikovsky
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thanks!
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nbelaevski
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thank you