balunasj_
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FYI - JBoss wiki, forums, and jira are down for the several hours while they move to a new data center
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balunasj_
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so I posted the agenda ( from memory to http://pastebin.com/dc04ef41 )
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abelevich
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hi guys!
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balunasj_
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abelevich: hi Anton
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rruss
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hopefully that means an improvement in services 
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balunasj_
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rruss: lets hope - a little more notice would have been good too ;-0
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balunasj_
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so lets get started
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ilya_shaikovsky
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that means also a couple of hours free from issues reports
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: hehe - but the back log will get you
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rruss
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lol
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balunasj_
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Ilya just dropped off - I was about to thank him for his work on the wiki :-0
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balunasj_
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nbelaevski
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nbelaevski
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he'll be back very soon he says
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Marauder
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already there
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Marauder
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client crashed
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Marauder is now known as ilya_shaikovsky.
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balunasj_
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if the wiki was up you could see the new wiki home page Ilya worked on.
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balunasj_
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Thanks Ilya for you efforts on that it looks much better
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balunasj_
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Wanted to open up ideas and suggestions, but since it is down I guess we'll hold off on that
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Stil not completelly cleared old articles and cookbook but will finish till week-end
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balunasj_
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sounds good - next week maybe we can spend 15 min and walk through the wiki layout & discuss.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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B.t.w. about public pages
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ilya_shaikovsky
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quick one
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I've added draft banner on our JSF2 - RF4.0 wiki page on main jbossrichfaces page
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ilya_shaikovsky
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The svn shown me commit success
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but the banner still not there..
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ilya_shaikovsky
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hope that will be resolved after server maintance
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balunasj_
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I'd ask for a link, but everything is down
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ilya_shaikovsky
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If will not be resolved after server back I'll ping you
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balunasj_
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let me know if it is working for you later.
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balunasj_
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yup
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: Lets meet later this week about the magnolia page - new RF project page
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balunasj_
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The wiki is looking much better and I'd like you to spend on time on the project page if you have time.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure.. As I told you schedule the meeting in any convenient time..
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balunasj_
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yup
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balunasj_
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so moving on - any word from Tim regarding your comments to his example?
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: ^^
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I've not heard back from Tim
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balunasj_
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ok thanks, he has done good work to get it ready for inclusion so hopefully he'll contact.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Also think so..
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ilya_shaikovsky
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he asked us not to rush
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ilya_shaikovsky
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so maybe he's not expected fast answer
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj_
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could be....
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balunasj_
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Side note - I keep getting contributor agreement requests from people I have never heard of before.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sounds cool
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balunasj_
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Typically the contributor agreements come after some community work like what Tim has been doing
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balunasj_
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or patches, etc...
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balunasj_
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Hopefully it is not just some advanced form of spam
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balunasj_
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So on to some of the jira admin stuff
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balunasj_
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I'll go in reverse order
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balunasj_
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Rodney and I created the Jira groups!
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balunasj_
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RichFaces Dev
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balunasj_
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RichFaces QE
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balunasj_
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and RichFaces Docs
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ilya_shaikovsky
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how about one more group
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balunasj_
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RichFaces Dev includes community users
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balunasj_
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as they are typically considered development.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I though maybe the group for the Jboss guys from the  other projects.. to track issues created by jbds team for example...
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I not talk about separate for every project but something like Jboss-devs
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: that would be basically everyone and could change quite a bit
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ilya_shaikovsky
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in general seems yes..
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balunasj_
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I could add the JBoss dev guys who have commit rights to RF to the Dev group
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ilya_shaikovsky
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just to filter community request or internal request
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balunasj_
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I know we have discussed this before I with there was a "! RichFaces Dev" filter - the same for labels
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balunasj_
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"not" would be a useful operator but it does not exist now.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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"balunasj_: RichFaces Dev includes community users" - So you meant contributors or any?
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balunasj_
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right now it has -  pkawiak (Community)
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balunasj_
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-  piotr.buda (Community)
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balunasj_
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Although piotr buda has not been active in a very long time
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balunasj_
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The idea here was to have community members with commit rights in the Dev list
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balunasj_
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any other questions or comments or suggestions
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balunasj_
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we can make adjustments as we go to
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balunasj_
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smukhina1: will this help you too?
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smukhina1
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you mean  Jira groups?
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balunasj_
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smukhina1: yup
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smukhina1
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yes, a bit,
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balunasj_
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smukhina1: ok good
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balunasj_
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ok lets move on to the RichFaces planning Jira project
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balunasj_
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This is something we discussed at the meeting in Brno
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balunasj_
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The current usage of Jira is very granular and used as much for micro task tracking as actual issues.
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balunasj_
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So we discussed that instead of using the one RF project for both planning and jira issues we needed a second project specifically for this.
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balunasj_
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The RF project would be for actual bugs, features requests, etc...
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balunasj_
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the new project would be used for project planning tasks.  Jira's could move from planning to RF if it makes sense on a case by case basis
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balunasj_
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One side effect of the current jira usage is that there are sometimes 100s of jira actions a day and it make it difficult not to get a sense of project, but is also a blocker for community involvement.  TMI - Too much information
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balunasj_
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Take for example the photo-album demo development.  That should really be one or maybe two jira's in RF.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Yes.. cleaning up jira from our planning granular task also made it easier to search on existent issues and maybe duplicates number reduces. I do not think that customers tries to use search if see 1000 opened issues.
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balunasj_
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but because it is used for task tracking it ends up be tons of subtasks https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-4697
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: exactly
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balunasj_
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Users will still be able to view the new project if they are interested, but do not need to in order to understand what changes are actually going to in the release.
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balunasj_
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I must tell you I got some funny comments when I said we had 1000+ jira fixed in a point release :-0
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balunasj_
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amitev
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but thousands of closed tasks for a release looks amazing for the users!
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balunasj_
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lol
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj_
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hehe - sounds like false advertising to me
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balunasj_
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so lets talk about a name and abbreviation for this new project
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t_kuprevich
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Hi sorry, I'm late. Are threr any questions for me?
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balunasj_
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I have some options listed in the agenda
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balunasj_
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t_kuprevich: Hi
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balunasj_
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t_kuprevich: We will be talking about 3.3.2 in just minute, and are are now talking about a new jira project for planning
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t_kuprevich
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Thanks
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balunasj_
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the agenda is http://pastebin.com/dc04ef41
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balunasj_
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btw - Jira seems to be back up
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balunasj_
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my vote is for RichFaces Planning and RFPL
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes.. already there also
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balunasj_
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thoughts?
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smukhina1
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RFPL - sounds good and on topic ...
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Also like this option
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balunasj_
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ok cool so I'll work with rruss and/or Mark Newton to get this set up
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balunasj_
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then we can talk about the migration of items
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balunasj_
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the releases will mirror the RF project
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balunasj_
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but what about the components
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balunasj_
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break up into dev, qe, docs?
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balunasj_
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or something more granular - in the planning components - if so what?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Maybe at least split dev to features, components, CDk and so on?
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: good suggestion
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smukhina1
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there should be a doc component, I don't know how  I'll use it , but better to have an option
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balunasj_
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smukhina1: yup there will be a doc component
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smukhina1
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good
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t_kuprevich
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I also have no idea about the necessity of qa component, but let it also be here
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balunasj_
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smukhina1: this will be for planning tasks for docs that do not correspond to specific update or changes to docs (at a high level).
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smukhina1
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ok
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balunasj_
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so lets move on to talk about 3.3.2.CR1 quick
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balunasj_
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in the Brno meeting we discussed have the 3.3.2.CR1 release late August
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balunasj_
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and the 3.3.2.GA release is september
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balunasj_
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This is a change to the way releases have been handled in the past
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balunasj_
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This is more of an open source model where were release out CRs to the community for testing, opinions, and updates.
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balunasj_
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Docs & QE I know the date is new information and we'll have a meeting later in the week to discuss in more detail on plans.
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balunasj_
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Take a look at the agenda ( lines 30-34) and let me know if you have any questions or comments for now?
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balunasj_
 
I line the line # - might need to do this more
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t_kuprevich
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I think we could handle all the questions in the later meeting
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balunasj_
 
wish I could type - I like the line #s
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balunasj_
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t_kuprevich: ok sounds good
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ilya_shaikovsky
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quick one..
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ilya_shaikovsky
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will we re-deploy samples rf-demo and photoalbums with CRs or this will be done only after GA?
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: you mean to the servers online?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: good question - only for the GA
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Just minor side point
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: sure
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I wanted to ask the Alex (when he returned) to redeploy samples because I need to commit a few metas in order to turn some google analyzing tools on for them.. I do not want to wait until GA
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: that is fine, I don't think updates to the demos need to wait for releases only - especially if there is a functionality problem.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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no problems just need an access to some online optimization services
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: sure - but in general I'm fine with updates like that to the demos
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and they need me to prov that site is realy managed by me
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ilya_shaikovsky
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ok
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balunasj_
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ok the queue items at the bottom of the meeting agenda I think has been handled in email - docs will be updated, and the dev team will look into the form submit issue.
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balunasj_
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smukhina1: ilya_shaikovsky can you guys create the jiras for those?
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smukhina1
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I've already created one
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balunasj_
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smukhina1:
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balunasj_
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ok so we'll cover more of the 3.3.2.CR1 planning in a meeting later this week with docs and QE (+ Nick)
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ilya_shaikovsky
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And we will talk with Nick and update you with info on regular submissions and queue
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: great
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balunasj_
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so I think that is it - does anyone have anything they would like to bring up?
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smukhina1
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one more doc issue - nightly docs were not updated since 12 of May, maybe you can help us with it till Alex is on vacation ?
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smukhina1
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Alex said he had been working on this problem, but as I see nothing is fixed for now ...
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balunasj_
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I'll see what I can do - send me an email with the links and details that you know and I'll take alook
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I'll wait on meeting event on magnolia. And seems no more questions currently from me.. thanks Jay!
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smukhina1
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ok, thanks
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balunasj_
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If Alex ran into a problem we may need to wait until he is back.
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balunasj_
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ilya_shaikovsky: I'll ping you today to set the time
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abelevich
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balunasj_: Have you look through new build system?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure
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balunasj_
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abelevich: I thought you were going to let me know when it is all checked in?
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abelevich
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sorry I forgot
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balunasj_
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abelevich: If it is then I'll take a look this afternoon, or tomorrow morning and we can get it moved to svn root!!!
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balunasj_
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abelevich: ok no problem we'll chat tomorrow about it and get it moved.
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abelevich
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ok
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balunasj_
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I'm excited because the next move is to merge in jsf2.0 branch - then we will be on the way to 4.0 for sure
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balunasj_
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ok everyone thanks and we'll talk later
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t_kuprevich
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ok bye