balunasj
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ok lets get started
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11:03am
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balunasj
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I asked Ilya if he could give an overview of the latest wiki changes
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11:03am
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balunasj
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and discuss some things like how/when to add FAQ items, or what
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11:03am
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balunasj
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qualifies as a cookbook item
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11:03am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: want to take it from here
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11:04am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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So 1) Main page. main goals of redesign was to structure the main page better make it shorter and more easier to find needed info
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11:04am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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In general draft finished a week ago and I waiting for feedback/suggestions
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11:04am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/richfaceswikihomepage
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11:04am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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then coockbook/articles
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11:05am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I like the icons
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11:05am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: and that it is easier to see what is there than the last one.
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11:06am
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alexsmirnov
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" JSF 2.0 is almost there" - Is it correct ? I fell what " JSF 2.0 is almost here" would be better.
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11:06am
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yendor
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+1
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11:06am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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As for mee I wanted more professional icons But I'm not a designed so got from our collection
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11:06am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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about cookbook and articles
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11:07am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I almost cleared pages from duplicated posts and non-valid currently topics
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11:07am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and plan to finish structure like there \
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11:07am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFacesArticles
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11:07am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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It's will reads much more better than original http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFacesCookbook
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11:07am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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one question
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11:07am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: agree
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11:07am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I'm not sure that we need to keep them both
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11:08am
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balunasj
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articles, cookbook, & FAQ?
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11:08am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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community currently writes not much to cookbook so why not to combine both pages
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11:08am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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no cookbook and FAQ are different
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11:08am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but coockbook and articles
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11:08am
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balunasj
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I know - I meant all three
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11:09am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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the same meaning.. complete examples of some use-cases implementation
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11:09am
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balunasj
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Question then - what makes a cookbook article a cookbook artice?
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11:09am
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balunasj
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because in general I agree with combining
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11:09am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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in general it was planned that community will write to cookbook their real cases and we will create articles of master usage
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11:09am
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balunasj
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the  only thing I can think of is cookbook are specifically "how to"
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11:10am
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balunasj
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while articles can be anything.
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11:10am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but if you check some of the articles youi will see that the pages are similar
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11:10am
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balunasj
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procedures, process, etc...
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11:10am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: agree
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11:10am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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So I'll combine the pages to one "How To" - is it ok?
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11:11am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: we really have two or more types here - "how to" and "procedures" articles at least
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11:12am
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balunasj
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Perhaps just keep it names "Articles" for now
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11:12am
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balunasj
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and merge cookbook with it.
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11:12am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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got it.. ok
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11:12am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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So lets move forward with FAQ
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11:12am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: If we need to break up articles we can do that later
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11:12am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yup
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11:12am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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we created next structure
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11:12am
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balunasj
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You could also reference it as "Knowledge Base"
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11:13am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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okay
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11:13am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFacesFAQ - Main high level TOC page
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11:14am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I like it
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11:14am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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there is seems almost nothing to discuss, except after some time I decided probably to remove Optimization Hints and move it to articles
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11:15am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: First one should be RichFaces Installation and configuration though
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11:15am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yes probably a good idea
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11:15am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and now the next my question about your thoughts on better usability
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11:15am
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balunasj
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so as a team - when do you think we should create new FAQ items?
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11:15am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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we had two type of next level pages
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11:15am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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just to try
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11:15am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/Commonclientside
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11:16am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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this is second level TOC of concrete section
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11:16am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and this is second type
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11:16am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/CommonAjaxRequestsProblems
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11:16am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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just questions on the same page
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11:16am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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second way provides simplest navigation
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11:17am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but first one offers bookmarkability (which seems not really important for FAQ because after you read the question answer once it;s not needed)
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11:17am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I think the second one is fine, but needs links with anchors to the questions at the time
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11:17am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and maybe the first approach makes it easier to find concrete question also
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11:17am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yup!
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11:18am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: Otherwise you need to scroll through the whole page to find something
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11:18am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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the links will combine it well
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11:18am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yup
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11:18am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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also thought  on it
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11:18am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: Also if there are lots of questions on one page - we may want to break it up into groups - if appropriate.
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11:19am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Yes..
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11:19am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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agree
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11:19am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and there we implemented navigation links.. it's manually added and seems not easy to edit if needed but without them it's not convinient at all for me to use wiki
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11:20am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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with such structure as we have
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11:20am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yeah - I admit the wiki is not the best to work with
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11:20am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but we could solve it
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11:21am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: suggestions?
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11:21am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I told about our manuall breadcrumb
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11:22am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: kind of like what you have on top of http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/CommonAjaxRequestsProblems
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11:22am
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balunasj
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the arrow and link?
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11:22am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yup.. and even more important if subgrouping present like there http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JavaScriptconflictsThird-partiesscriptsmethodsandobjectsnotfound
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11:22am
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balunasj
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Off Topic - RichFaces Components FAQ's is 404 not found
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11:23am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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strange.. just added some tree question at prev week and checked.. thanks.. will correct
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11:23am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I like that but isn't that even more work that the links to questions?
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11:24am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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it's not a problem to add them at allbut could be problem to maintain if wiki will updated again and links will changed..
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11:25am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: true, and if not a problem I would say add them, but how does that help with anchors to questions?
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11:25am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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[18:18:50] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: Also if there are lots of questions on one page - we may want to break it up into groups - if appropriate.
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11:25am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and this will cause second level of navigation to appear again
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11:25am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: ah ic
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11:26am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: agree
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11:26am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: We may need to take this off line or talk later - we need to move onto 3.3.2.
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11:26am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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ok
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11:26am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: good job though - I think the changes are a good improvement
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11:26am
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balunasj
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so on to 3.3.2.CR1
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11:26am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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so will glad to see any feedback from all the team to make it more convenient
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11:27am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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if you'll have time
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11:27am
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balunasj
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all: yes please - this is everyone's project
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11:27am
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balunasj
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So lets talk about 3.3.2
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11:28am
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balunasj
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Last week we talked about release plans and I wanted to review some jira's too if we have time
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11:28am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: dev: how are things going - do you feel comfortable with the release timing and scope?
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11:29am
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nbelaevski
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amarkhel: what do you think?
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11:30am
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amarkhel
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I think all issues assigned to me will be fixed in time
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11:30am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I've made some reassignments today as we have relatively big and important task - TinyMCE version update
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11:30am
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nbelaevski
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so TinyMCE upgrade script task was reassigned to Pavel
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11:30am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yes I saw that in the jira during my review - was going to discuss
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11:30am
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nbelaevski
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and another Pavel's tasks reassigned to Andrei
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11:30am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: sure
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11:31am
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balunasj
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good - what does he think of the task - risky, easy?
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11:32am
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nbelaevski
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time consuming
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11:32am
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balunasj
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Just pinged pavel to see if he can join
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok
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balunasj
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pyaschenko: Hi Pavel
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11:32am
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pyaschenko
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Hello
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11:33am
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balunasj
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we were jut talking about RF-7290
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11:33am
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balunasj
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tinymce upgrade
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11:33am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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it could be not really easy but it's really important and seems should be done if possible in time (I mean forum questions which rises really often on this)
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11:33am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yes - agree I would almost move it to blocker
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11:34am
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balunasj
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pyaschenko: how much time do you think you will need for it?
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11:34am
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pyaschenko
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we need to compare our changes in current version of tiny
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11:35am
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pyaschenko
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and then move it to new version
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11:35am
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balunasj
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pyaschenko: do we make changed to their code, or just use it and integrate?
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11:35am
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pyaschenko
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now i cant to provide estimations
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11:35am
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balunasj
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pyaschenko: ok
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11:36am
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pyaschenko
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we ned to investigate how many our changes crosses whith their changes
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11:36am
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balunasj
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pyaschenko: ok - do you have anything else on your plate, or is this your priority?
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11:38am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: there are several bugs of lower minority I want Pavel to look at. however this one is his priority just after optimization work finishes
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11:38am
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nbelaevski
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* lower importance
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11:38am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok - how is the optimization work going? link to jira ?
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balunasj
 
looking for jira
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11:39am
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nbelaevski
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-7246
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11:40am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-7246
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11:40am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: thanks ok - almost done
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11:40am
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nbelaevski
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yes, prioritized components are done for both CSS and JS
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11:40am
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nbelaevski
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sorry, almost done
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11:41am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: good so pyaschenko should be able to work on this later this week?
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11:41am
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nbelaevski
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yes
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11:41am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good - as long as we have an idea of scope so we can plan for the release
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11:42am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: pyaschenko : just made it a blocker
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11:42am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ok, good
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11:42am
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nbelaevski
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one more important is regression: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-7172
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11:43am
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nbelaevski
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probably, Andrey or Alex will take it if Pavel will be overloaded
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11:43am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good
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11:43am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I like having the regression component - makes it easy
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11:44am
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nbelaevski
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yes. it's important to have this for statistics also
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11:44am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: just because we are short on time - anything else major you would like to bring up before we move on.
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11:45am
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nbelaevski
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nothing for now
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11:45am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: thanks
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11:45am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: not at all
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11:45am
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balunasj
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no one from docs is in the meeting
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11:45am
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balunasj
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and tsikhon is not either
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11:46am
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nbelaevski
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yes. i've asked Svetlana to join
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11:46am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok
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11:46am
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balunasj
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thanks
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11:46am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I saw you assigned Rf-7270 as well
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11:47am
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balunasj
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fyi - this is important for a customer fix
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nbelaevski
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yes, routine work left there
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balunasj
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smukhina: Hi Svetlana
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11:47am
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smukhina
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Hi, Sorry I forgot about the meeting ...
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11:47am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: cool - saw your comment - looks straight forward now
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11:48am
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balunasj
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smukhina: no problem - you fresh back from vacation
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11:48am
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nbelaevski
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i've checked the problem, and i think that customer should apply workaround manually, because the issue happens when special CSS is used
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11:48am
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nbelaevski
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applying it by default can cause some unwanted issues
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11:49am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: hmm interesting - can you write a quick email to me about that and I'll communicate that
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11:49am
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balunasj
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smukhina: we were talking about 3.3.2.CR1 status
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11:49am
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balunasj
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here is the doc link: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&fixfor=12313512&pid=12310341&resolution=-1&component=12311170&sorter/field=resolution&sorter/order=ASC&sorter/field=status&sorter/order=ASC&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC
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11:49am
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nbelaevski
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yes
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11:49am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: great!
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11:50am
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balunasj
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smukhina: just wanted to know what you thought of the release timing, and your plans for the release - anything to bring up?
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11:51am
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smukhina
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we planned to review all a4j and half of rich components, update photo album guide, fix all bugs in PDF version, write 80% of articles for FAQ
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11:52am
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balunasj
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smukhina: ok and you feel you can finish that up
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11:52am
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smukhina
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yes
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11:52am
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balunasj
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smukhina: great
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11:52am
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balunasj
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smukhina: we can talk offline or through jira for more if needed
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11:53am
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balunasj
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tsikhon is not on so I'll catch up with him later
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11:53am
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balunasj
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posted this and wanted to get your thoughts
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11:53am
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balunasj
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFacesJiraUsagePolicy
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balunasj_
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Sorry problem with client app
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ok, thanks. can you please post this to richfaces-exadel?
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balunasj_
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I'll be right back
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nbelaevski
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balunasj_: so that team will be notified and respond with comments/suggestions
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sorry.. client crashed
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balunasj_
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I already sent it to rich-Exadel list
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balunasj
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ok I think this is back up?
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: can you see my post?
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, welcome back
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok thanks - so yes - I sent this to the list this morning
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: true. i'm sorry
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balunasj
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feedback is welcome on the wiki as well.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: no problem at all
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balunasj
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so that doc discusses some of the rules and things like that.
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balunasj
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As we're looking through jira lets start moving items to RFPL where it makes sense
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balunasj
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If no one has anything else we are out of time - I'll follow up with Tsikhon, write up minutes, and finish the jira policy for RF
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: btw - I love the svn /root - makes the whole thing easier
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: we can even mimic common SVN repo using symbolic links
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: hehe
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nbelaevski
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mounting framework/trunk to trunk/framework BTW, i've asked Ilya to put readme.txt on new project structure just in trunk
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: we may want to think about a pom or build script at the base like we had before.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: you mean in /trunk
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balunasj
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so people know why its empty?
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, aggregate script is necessary
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: exactly, to let people know where is it
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balunasj
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maybe a simple pom - not sure if that will mess up the dependencies....
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I agree
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balunasj
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we can talk more about this at the 4.0 meeting tomorrow - although I really want to focus on 4.0 ALPHA plans
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nbelaevski
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no, that won't mess dependencies. ok we'll create it
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balunasj
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Nice, when I see it I'll give it a shot and double check dependencies.
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nbelaevski
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then we can have profiles to switch between SVN branches/tags
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balunasj
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true - I like that better than a make.sh or something like that
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nbelaevski
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and configure this as singe module build in Hudson
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: not sure about that - I like having them broken out
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12:12pm
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balunasj
:
this should just be a simple little pom to build the different areas
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12:12pm
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nbelaevski
:
balunasj: yes, it'll be such pom
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12:12pm
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balunasj
:
nbelaevski: thanks
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12:12pm
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nbelaevski
:
balunasj:
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12:13pm
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balunasj
:
We'll talk more tomorrow, and I'll post the minutes shortly.