balunasj
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Lets give a few minutes others to join, then we'll get started
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10:00am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: hi
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10:02am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, added the page link to ALPAH1 planning page
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10:02am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: ok good - I was just reviewing the new wiki page - http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/A4jCoreComponentsPlanning
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10:03am
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balunasj
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Lets get started - hopefully Alex will join before we get to the CDK part
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10:03am
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balunasj
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A new ALHPA1 wiki page has been created - http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFaces400ALPHA1ReleasePlans
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10:04am
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balunasj
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It has been updated based on last weeks meeting, and other sources
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10:04am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ilya_shaikovsky Alex and I are still filling in some details
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10:04am
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10:04am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: Hi alexsmirnov
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10:04am
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alexsmirnov
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Hi all!
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10:05am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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alexsmirnov, Hi!
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10:05am
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nbelaevski
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alexsmirnov: good morning
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10:05am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: We were just discussing the alpha wiki page
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10:06am
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balunasj
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I would like everyone to look at, comment, and/or updated the wiki page
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10:06am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: my bad, I've forgotten to post JIRA link to this wiki
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10:06am
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balunasj
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I already have some links to jira
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10:06am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: do you mean links to individual points to jira?
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10:07am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: no, to aggregate JIRA item. just fixed that
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10:07am
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alexsmirnov
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I've tried to update some articles yesterday, but jboss.org site has been down
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10:08am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: not sure what you mean - the ALPHA1 page already had links to RF/RFPL jira's for the ALHPA1 version
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10:08am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: understood - were you able to create/update jira's for the CDK?
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10:08am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ok, one more link won't hurt anybody
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10:09am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agreed - I just an not sure what you are referring too?
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10:09am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: please see my last comment
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10:10am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: oh I see it now - I thought you meant an update up above in the main page - np
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10:11am
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balunasj
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So anyone working on 4.0 items should review the wiki and add comments please.
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10:11am
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: Not yet. I spent a lot of time to coding and prototyping.
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10:12am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok, but we'll need you to update jira so that others can assist and break out tasks that need doing on CDK.  Do you know when you will be able to?
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10:13am
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balunasj
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We were going to review the CDK jiras for the next agenda item
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10:14am
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balunasj
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so we can either discuss some adhoc or move on - Alex would you like to discuss now?
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alexsmirnov
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Ok.
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10:15am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: Markhel is already looking into the template compiler correct
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10:15am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: and Pavel is investigating JS scrip updates
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10:16am
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nbelaevski
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we've discussed that with Alex additionally yesterday, so Andrei is doing research on EL compiler, I'm working on adapting XHTML schema
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10:16am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: Pavel is invesigating mutlipart response technique (the ones described on Ajaxian)
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10:16am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok, we need get some of this in jira so we can see who is doing what
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10:17am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ok
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10:17am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: do you think the multipart response is first thing we need for 4.0?  Or are we not ready for more specific 4.0 JS work?
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10:17am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: not ready for more specific work
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10:18am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok - we'll discuss more offline
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10:18am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: when do you think you will be able to break down remaining CDK tasks in workable jira items?
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10:18am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: probably we'll reschedule this to increase effort for semantic components - but we need to agree on this before
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10:19am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: again - not super low level, but enough to represent a unit of work/basic functionality.
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10:19am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: reschedule what?  Jira/CDK review?
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10:20am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: multipart response
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: I'll do that today.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok that makes since but I need to understand effort required, and timing for the multpart repsonse stuff.  I believe understanding the semantic layout changes, and working with Lex to learn the approaches is critical to component migration so in my mind that has priority.
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10:21am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: thank you alexsmirnov I'll review as I see them.
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10:22am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I thought that while this we are not completely ready for semantic components, we can spend some time on this. is that ok?
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10:23am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I think it is ok to have him review it, while we are figuring out details for semantic layouts.
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10:23am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ok, thanks
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10:24am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: we will be meeting with Lex tomorrow to get more details on the semantic layout items
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10:24am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, that's great
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10:25am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: alexsmirnov : so today you guys ( and others ) will be updating jira for 4.0 ALPHA right?
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10:26am
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alexsmirnov
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right.
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10:26am
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balunasj
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ok thanks
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10:26am
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balunasj
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lets move on to component review for ALPHA1
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10:26am
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balunasj
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-7642
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10:26am
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balunasj
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is the jira for this
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10:27am
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balunasj
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and http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/A4jCoreComponentsPlanning discusses this in more detail
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10:27am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: I adjusted mediaOutput down a bit in priority
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10:28am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I'm ok with that
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10:28am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: wanted to understand why it was higher on the list?  easy to implement? needed for others?
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10:29am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: wanted to apply resources framework
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10:29am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski:
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10:29am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: that is not a bad reason - it will be important to exercise that.
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10:30am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes
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10:30am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ilya_shaikovsky : Others: anyone have opinions on the components for ALPHA1?
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10:30am
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: generated resources are base for skins feature. Therefore, mediaOutput is close related to skinnability.
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10:32am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: yup, and I think we should do it in ALPHA, but I wanted to get some of the other core components in first.
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10:32am
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nbelaevski
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alexsmirnov: balunasj: now we can use <h:graphicImage> to show dynamic resources, but that's very limited comparing to capabilities of <a4:mediaOutput>
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balunasj
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I suggest that the dev/qe team read - http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/A4jCoreComponentsPlanning and then comment in the jira for components/changes in pirority.
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10:34am
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balunasj
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we can can't wait to keep developing so things will be fluid.
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10:34am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: so are you saying mediaoutput is needed sooner?
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10:35am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: it's easy to implement and cool, so we may want it to come with ALPHA1
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10:36am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agree is it for ALPHA1 so perhaps we move it back up the list.
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10:36am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: to me the first 8 are blockers for release
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10:36am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: let's give them higher priority in JIRA then
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10:37am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agreed
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10:37am
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nbelaevski
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ilya_shaikovsky: I guess the wiki page should be named CoreComponentsRequirements, not Planning
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10:37am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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changed
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10:37am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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agree
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10:38am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: first 8 in wiki or in JIRA?
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10:38am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/A4jCoreComponentsRequirements
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balunasj
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first 8 in jira
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balunasj
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support (ajax), status, push, outputPanel, log, jsFunction, region, and mediaOutput
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nbelaevski
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ok, I'll update them now
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10:39am
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balunasj
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that can be enough for someone to actually start using ALPHA1 release with some value add
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10:39am
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balunasj
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The others in the list are nice to haves for the release and if we have time will be good to have
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10:40am
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balunasj
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but I'm not going to hold up the release if a4j:message is not done
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10:40am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: can't argue with that
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10:41am
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balunasj
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ok, lets move on to QE for the releases since prabhat is here
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10:41am
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balunasj
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From here on out I think prabhat should be involved in these meeting and bring up items for QE.
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10:42am
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prabhat
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prabhat: i am here
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10:42am
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balunasj
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prabhat: I wanted to find out what early plans or thoughts you had on QE involvement with these ALHPA releases?
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10:42am
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prabhat
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balunasj: what's the tentative release date?
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10:43am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i could not figure out from two wikis that you posted before
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10:43am
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balunasj
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ALHPA1 is end off August
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10:43am
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balunasj
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http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFaces400ALPHA1ReleasePlans
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10:43am
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balunasj
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"Release August 24th/25th"
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10:43am
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balunasj
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I realize this is about the same time as 3.3.2.CR1
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10:43am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ah..i overlooked in the wiki
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10:44am
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balunasj
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prabhat: np
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10:44am
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prabhat
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balunasj: it's alpha1 so I am not in too much pressure
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10:44am
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balunasj
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prabhat: I agree
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10:44am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: and I were discussing that ALPHA release are really dev responsiblity.
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10:45am
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prabhat
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balunasj: what I can do is write simple example app for some of the components as part of release testing
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10:45am
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balunasj
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but we should start to think about where and how QE wants to get involved, and/or place QE tests/items in SVN
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10:45am
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prabhat
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balunasj: but can't promise more than that as my other team members are still getting started with 3.3.X
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10:46am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: prabhat: we can involve QE in requirements testing
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10:46am
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prabhat
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nbelaevski: balunasj first I need to understand the scope of changes/features in alpha
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10:47am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski already have a basic application for testing - but perhaps another one or adding to it.
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10:47am
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balunasj
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prabhat: we are capturing that in the wiki linked above
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10:47am
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balunasj
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the key items are a nearly complete CDK, and the components listed
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10:47am
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balunasj
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in https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-7642
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10:48am
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balunasj
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and the core functionality required to support the componetns
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10:48am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ok..how about this...can you create a jira in RFPL where we can discuss and agree on scope of testing.
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10:48am
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balunasj
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+ basic assembler to put it all together into dists.
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10:48am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i meant for sake of record..we can discuss here as well
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10:49am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I think that full support for JBoss EL in CDK is not a doable task for ALPHA1
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10:49am
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balunasj
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prabhat: sure we can do that for the outcomes - I would rather not have a converstation via jira comments
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10:49am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: that is ok - this is only ALPHA1 we just need to be able to support basic components with CDK
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10:50am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: right
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10:50am
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balunasj
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prabhat: I'll create the RFPL and we'll discuss more in tomorrows QE meeting - sound good
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10:50am
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balunasj
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?
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10:51am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ya sure....i should have gone through wikis by then
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10:51am
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balunasj
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prabhat: ok good
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10:51am
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balunasj
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we only have 10 min left
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10:51am
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balunasj
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lets discuss timing boxing the releases
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10:52am
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balunasj
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take a look at the agenda for todays meeting it has a break down
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10:52am
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balunasj
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let me know what you all think
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10:53am
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balunasj
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this is going to effect everyone, QE/Dev etc....
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10:53am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, into EL compiler. Alex said he'll work on the model himself and I'm helping him with XSD file
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10:54am
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nbelaevski
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ups, sorry
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10:54am
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nbelaevski
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that was offtop
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10:54am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: np - good to get that info
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10:55am
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balunasj
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any thoughts on timeboxing the releases after ALPHA1?
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10:55am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: nbelaevski ilya_shaikovsky prabhat : ^
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10:55am
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balunasj
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Nick and I already discussed this
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10:56am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, looks good
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10:56am
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alexsmirnov
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Yes, I agree with that.
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10:56am
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balunasj
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So we will have monthly releases if something does not make the release it slips to the next release, but the release still happens.
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10:57am
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes. i would like to change the current release process and align with how other projects are releases
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10:57am
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balunasj
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prabhat: meaning?
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10:58am
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prabhat
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balunasj: meaning current way of release testing takes 2 weeks which does not fit in monthly release model
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10:58am
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balunasj
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prabhat: agree completely - The goal should be less than one week for project release testing
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10:59am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i will create a wiki on that but I have talked about that briefly in test plan and during F2F presentation
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10:59am
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balunasj
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means lots of automated testing + <1 week of verification, visual testing, etc...
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10:59am
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balunasj
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prabhat: yup
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10:59am
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prabhat
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nbelaevski: are we going to port demo app for alpha release as well?
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11:00am
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balunasj
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prabhat: no
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11:00am
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balunasj
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prabhat: I believe that the demo app should be built for 4.0 not migrated.
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11:01am
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prabhat
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balunasj: well I guess that's what I meant
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11:01am
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prabhat
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balunasj: basically something shows basics of all components
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11:01am
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alexsmirnov
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I think we should start the new one that includes migrated components
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: agreed and what I meant
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11:01am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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alexsmirnov, agreed
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11:02am
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balunasj
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we need to build a new demo application not migration the old one.
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11:02am
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prabhat
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balunasj: as long as we have equivalent of demo app, that's fine. :-). That's a very good way for new people to get started
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11:03am
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balunasj
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prabhat: exactly - it is a great dev guide and showcase of features
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11:03am
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balunasj
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alright all times up
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11:04am
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balunasj
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I'll write up minutes, please read and comment on wiki pages - it is important to keep communications up.