balunasj
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ok guys lets get started
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10:05am
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balunasj
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hopefully Alex S will join so we can discuss CDK
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10:05am
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balunasj
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First thing I wanted to update on ALPHA1
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10:06am
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balunasj
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we are going to announce A1 on Monday
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10:06am
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balunasj
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We decided it would be better announcing on Friday and having it buried in everyones week-end news
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10:06am
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balunasj
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however we don't want to add any risk or new items ( just a couple of minor bug fixes )
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10:07am
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balunasj
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so here is the plan
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10:07am
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balunasj
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1) Only minor.low risk fixes allowed and must be ok'd by Nick or I
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10:08am
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balunasj
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2) End of day today, or weekend final build will be made and uploaded to the jboss download servers
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10:08am
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balunasj
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2.1) with some smoke tests to make sure it is ok
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10:08am
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balunasj
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3) Monday:
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10:08am
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balunasj
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3.1) Update maven repo
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10:09am
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balunasj
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3.2) verify downloads and maven repo ( QE & Dev )
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10:09am
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balunasj
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3.3.) activate download page (Ilya)
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10:09am
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balunasj
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3.4) Announce - blog, twitter, forums, etc....
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10:09am
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balunasj
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10:10am
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balunasj
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Anyone have any thoughts or comments?
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10:10am
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balunasj
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again only targeted, minor fixes for update today - so we don't destabilize dist
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10:11am
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10:11am
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balunasj
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ok good - I think A1 is looking good and I think it will be well received at JBoss World
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10:12am
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balunasj
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I'll let you all know what I hear
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10:12am
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balunasj
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The next thing I wanted to talk about briefly is the plan for 3.3.2.GA
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10:12am
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balunasj
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Nick and I were talking about this today
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10:13am
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balunasj
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This is going to be a very limited update to CR1 and we would like to target it for end of Sept or first week in October.
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10:13am
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balunasj
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We'll provide some more details as we can - for now we are going to review the jira's and discuss
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10:14am
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balunasj
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We think there is a good way to handle this between the various vacations and plans.
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10:14am
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balunasj
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Which leads to the purpose of this meeting
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10:14am
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balunasj
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We need to set up some planning meetings for 4.0 and specifically for ALPHA2
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10:15am
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balunasj
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The trick is several of us ( including me ) are going to be taking time off in september
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10:16am
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balunasj
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So we are thinking that the week of 7th-11th will be the best time to have these planning meetings
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10:16am
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balunasj
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This is the week after next
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10:16am
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balunasj
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What I wanted to figure out in this meeting is what needs to be investigated, reviewed, and prepared for those meetings.
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10:17am
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balunasj
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so that we can have the information needed to plan out 4.0 better.
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10:17am
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balunasj
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any questions, comments, or concerns up to this point ?
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10:17am
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balunasj
 
my figures are tired and need a break
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10:18am
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balunasj
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s/figures/fingers
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10:19am
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nbelaevski0
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I think we have two mandatory items for A2 - iteration components and queueuing
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10:19am
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balunasj
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+ CDK dist & I would like to have hudson based builds for dist
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10:20am
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balunasj
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but yes component side I agree
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10:21am
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10:21am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski0: I think that falls into a couple of tasks so we can plan that out at the meeting week after next
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10:21am
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10:22am
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10:22am
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balunasj
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Component Requirement Review
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10:22am
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balunasj
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RFPL-97
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10:22am
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balunasj
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Semantic Layout details and inpacts
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10:22am
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balunasj
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CDK requirement review for those components
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10:23am
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balunasj
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core requirements review
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10:23am
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nbelaevski
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yes, we need to review and document them carefully
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10:23am
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balunasj
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yes
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10:24am
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balunasj
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and that is what I want to make sure everyone leaves here knowing - what/who will be responsible for the deliverables so we can review and plan during the meetings
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10:25am
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balunasj
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not including the people working on 3.3.2.GA - lets discuss who can/should do what
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10:25am
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balunasj
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we can create jira's for this in RFPL and then everyone will have all next week to work on this
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10:25am
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balunasj
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sound good?
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10:27am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: so I think you should take the lead on RFPL-97 - functional requirement gathering
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10:27am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: do you think you will have enough time next week to work on this?
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10:27am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: will you need some assistance or back up from someone else.
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10:28am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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for pervious statements about jira detalization. we should make real subtasks if the task breaks down in order not to be lost in general tasks descriptions and persons who will be involved
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10:28am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: we need to consider users' feedback for coming A1 also
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10:28am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I would like to see something that breaks down by component ( and component group ) into priorities , changes.
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10:29am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yes ofcoarse
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10:29am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: e.g. planning second pass of reqs. review
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10:29am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and RFPL 97 I think that will have enough time for sure.. and will concentrate on it in order to get all things which need from me done before vacation
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10:29am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agree
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10:30am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: ok good
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10:30am
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balunasj
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We'll need you do discuss some of this with Lex_Dmitriev as well because I think this should
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10:30am
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balunasj
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have some of the information on semantic layout changes as well.
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10:31am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: that second review may need to wait until end of Sept - which should be good timing anyway.
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10:31am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: completely agree - users shoud have enough time to check 4.0
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10:32am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I agree with Nick on priorties for A2 as well - iteration and queue & what will be required to generate them with CDK
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10:33am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I want to include items like suggestions for combining dataTable impls into 1-2 at most.
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10:33am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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yes.. also fully agree with Nick and got it
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10:33am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: great
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10:34am
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balunasj
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Lex_Dmitriev: I have created several jira's for you related to semantic layout requirements and plans
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10:34am
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balunasj
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Lex_Dmitriev: do you think next week will be enough time to forumlate a plan & write it out with some examples
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10:35am
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Lex_Dmitriev
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I working at RFPL-94.... I think enough
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10:35am
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10:36am
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balunasj
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Lex_Dmitriev: I think that is part of it, but also work with ilya_shaikovsky on component requirements
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10:36am
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10:36am
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balunasj
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Also when we talk about a migration plan and workflow for the components from 3.3.2.CR1 this will be part of it.
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10:37am
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balunasj
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abelevich_: when does your vacation start?
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10:38am
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Lex_Dmitriev
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I told with Ilya. We'll work at this together
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10:38am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: we were also to create list of components that need to be completely reworked - that's something we can add to the migration plan preparation
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10:38am
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balunasj
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Lex_Dmitriev: excellent
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10:38am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yes agree
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10:39am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: who do you think will be best for the migration plan - abelevich_ and Pavel?
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10:39am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: obviously with aid from others too
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10:39am
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abelevich_
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next weel today is my last day before vacation
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10:40am
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balunasj
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abelevich_: ok
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10:40am
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nbelaevski
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Pavel and me. Ilya will be very useful for this too
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10:41am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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so we will have pure planning week
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10:41am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok great and pavel will be back next week
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10:41am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I think so, but I also think we need it.
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10:41am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes
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10:42am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure.. this planning week will save us month of development
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10:42am
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balunasj
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Not that ALPHA1 is out and we have a base to work off - we need to nail down the plans so that us, QE, docs, and everyone knows what our plans are.
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10:42am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yup
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10:42am
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balunasj
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We'll have to follow up with Alex about this too
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10:43am
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balunasj
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because a lot of the component work is dependant on the CDK support
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10:43am
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balunasj
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for it
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10:44am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: we also need some review of the core functionality required for these components & what is left and what is needed.  I'm assuming this will be part of the planning as well.
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10:44am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: on CDK
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10:45am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: Alex said in the morning that the next one or two weeks we'll need to trial it and add some features that can be missing or polish existing
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10:46am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good - I think this planning will help us define exactly what is needed.
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10:46am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: from ours side - we have to integrate EL compiler that Andrey developed
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10:47am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok
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10:47am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I was thinking about code review pass for the next week
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10:48am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: for the developed codebase
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10:48am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: that sounds good, but I will not be able to assist - just review outcome.
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10:48am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agree
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10:48am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ok, thanks
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10:49am
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balunasj
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we also need to have investigation and planning for assembler in more detail
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10:49am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: also as developing release process...
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10:49am
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balunasj
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what we have is ok - but lots to add and support
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10:49am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yes and I think assembler and release process will be closely related
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10:49am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: that's true
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10:50am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: however it's not a showstopper for us now
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10:50am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I'd say it's priority is minor for us now
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10:50am
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balunasj
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I will assist with that when I can ( once JBW, and move is done) I'll have more time
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10:51am
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balunasj
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This might be something to worry about for Oct
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10:51am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, that will definitely help us
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10:51am
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balunasj
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but someone else like Alex K needs to be looking as well
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10:51am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: right, for October
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10:51am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agreed
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10:52am
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balunasj
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by then everyone will be on 4.0 and 3.3.2.GA will be out
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10:53am
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balunasj
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so are we missing any big area that needs investigation - client side scripts is part of migration and core planning
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10:53am
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balunasj
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Like I said QE and docs are not standing still, but it is hard for them to advance in detail with 4.0 until our plan is known
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10:54am
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balunasj
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Lets all focus on jira and the wiki for this planning too - these are the easiest way I think
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10:55am
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nbelaevski
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agree
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10:55am
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balunasj
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awesome
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10:56am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ilya_shaikovsky : you guys have my cell phone if anything major comes up next week right?
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10:56am
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balunasj
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if not I'll give it offline
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10:57am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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should be in our mails need to check
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10:57am
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balunasj
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ok let me know and I'll get it for you.
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10:57am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: we should have it if it didn't change since the last F-2-F meeting
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10:57am
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balunasj
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nope has not changed
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10:58am
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nbelaevski
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ok
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10:58am
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balunasj
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I'll also follow up with Alex S and make sure he knows what the plan is.
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10:58am
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balunasj
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We'll get ALPHA1 out the door, plan for 3.3.2.GA part time and figure out the details of 4.0 A2
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10:59am
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nbelaevski
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thanks
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10:59am
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balunasj
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sure thing - anything else just let me know
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10:59am
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11:00am
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balunasj
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All: please create the related jira's from this meeting for planning and other activites
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11:00am
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balunasj
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I'll review after I get back from my appointment
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11:01am
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balunasj
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gtg - thanks and talk to you later
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11:01am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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Jay, we not have agenda for this meeting, but you will share the log at wiki?
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11:01am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yup I did not create an agenda, but I will post minute and the log
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11:01am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I can't right now, but will later today
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11:02am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I've send you a message in Y! IM - please review when you get time
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11:02am
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balunasj
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yup I got it
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11:03am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: good
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11:03am
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balunasj
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I will bring it up with Rodney
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11:03am
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nbelaevski
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thanks!
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11:03am
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balunasj
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sure thing
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11:03am
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balunasj
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send me an email if there is anything else