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balunasj
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ok guys lets get started
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11:07am
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balunasj
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I wanted to start with 3.3.3 - but why we wait I'll bring up some community items.
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11:07am
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balunasj
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Max katz and I will be presenting at the JSFSummit in Orlando
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11:08am
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balunasj
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I will be updating the calendar when I get more details on days and times
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11:08am
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balunasj
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Max will be giving his RIA development with RichFaces talk
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balunasj
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I will be give a talk called "RichFaces Component Toolbox: Today and Tomorrow"
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11:09am
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balunasj
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and then either co-speaking or presenting the RichFaces, Seam, JSF tips presentation Dan and I gave at JBW
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11:10am
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balunasj
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Drafts are due start of next week so a good bit of my time will be spent on that this week....
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balunasj
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I would love some feedback once I get farther along with the talks and will send them out.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: Hi Alex - just going over some community items
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balunasj
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amarkhel: Hi
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amarkhel
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hi
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11:12am
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balunasj
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So that presentation prep and demo should be this week/start of next
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11:13am
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balunasj
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also alexsmirnov is going to be writing an article for a DZone series on JSF 2.0
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balunasj
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I'll be asisting where possible and editiing.
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11:13am
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alexsmirnov
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hi. I'm late due to traffic.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: np
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11:14am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: heard the bay bridge got fixed bet it is still a mess :-9
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11:14am
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balunasj
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11:14am
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balunasj
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ok lets go back to 3.3.3 status from the agenda http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda11-3-2009
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11:15am
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balunasj
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amarkhel how is the progress on 3.3.3?
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11:16am
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amarkhel
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now it is ok
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11:17am
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amarkhel
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no new problem is discovered
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11:17am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: that is good
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amarkhel
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balunasj
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I'm assuming amarkhel you will assign Alex_Kolonitsky jira's
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balunasj
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?
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11:19am
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amarkhel
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tomorrow Alex will be start work on 3.3.x more time
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11:19am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok Alex_Kolonitsky you are wrapping up 4.0 work?
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11:19am
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amarkhel
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and I'll assign him some bugs
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11:20am
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alexsmirnov
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Yesterday I caught the issue in mediaOutput/paint2d components https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8064
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11:20am
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alexsmirnov
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I think it should be resolved for 3.3.3 too.
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11:21am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: is this related to the one from the customer issue or just one you found while investigating?
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11:21am
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alexsmirnov
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that is not exactly customer issue, but it prevents improvement of his code.
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11:21am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I also propose RF-8057 to be assigned to release
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11:22am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ilya_shaikovsky : lets hold off on the general proposals and updates for release - I would like to finish going over curretn status with amarkhel
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11:23am
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balunasj
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we'll talk about them in just a minutes - I promise
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11:23am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: How is progress with JSF 2 work - I see the jira's but they are all open.
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amarkhel
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ш цщкл щт ьфлштп кшсрафсуы сщьзшдфиду цшер ОЫА 2 - шеэы фдьщые вщту
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amarkhel
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sorry
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balunasj
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heheh
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balunasj
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np
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amarkhel
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now  I make richfaces compilable with JSF 2 it's almost done
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amarkhel
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tomorrow I close this issue
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balunasj
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amarkhel: really that is great!
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11:26am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: are you referring to the one about building with JSF 2.0 or general compatiblity?
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amarkhel
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RFPL-204
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amarkhel
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building with
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balunasj
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I mis-read thought you said compatible, but you said compiliable
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balunasj
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I'm assuming next step is to move on to - https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&fixfor=12314119&pid=12310341&component=12312463&sorter/field=resolution&sorter/order=ASC&sorter/field=status&sorter/order=ASC&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC
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amarkhel
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yes sure
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok thanks - any new blocker or major issues with JSF 2 so far?
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amarkhel
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no, as I now
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok thanks
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amarkhel
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np
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balunasj
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lets move on to PBR issues with alexsmirnov
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11:31am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov I know you have been working other priorities - but any insights or jira's that should be included for PBR in 3.3.3?
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11:34am
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alexsmirnov
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The most important is https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-7992 , with some other resource issues. Also, fileUpload needs changes to work with portletbridge.
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11:35am
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balunasj
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ok at least 7992 is already done - how much work is required for fileUpload?
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11:36am
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alexsmirnov
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Not a lot. I'm not sure it it necessary to put changes into RichFaces or it has better to create separate renderer for portal.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: can you put in some jira's for these items for 3.3.3.BETA1 - just so we can track them?
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11:38am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: we don't have time to discuss the issue in detail
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11:39am
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alexsmirnov
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7992 seems the only issue that created in RichFaces JIRA. Let me check portletbridge project for others.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok thanks
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nbelaevski
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here's another for fileupload and portlet: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8053
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11:40am
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balunasj
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Konstantin: in the mean time lets discuss the one assigned to you
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11:40am
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balunasj
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-7980
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yes I saw that one too - but sounds unrelated - true?
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11:41am
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balunasj
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Konstantin: do you think this is a problem with the test app?
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balunasj
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lfryc: ping ^ might be related
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I've created this one by Alex's request. that's to improve compatibility with PB
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: oh - ok - I think we should add PBR label to jira's for PBR
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: there's already "portal" that we are using currently
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alexsmirnov
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The other one is https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/PBR-113 . I've created workaroutd in portletbridge but it should be ported in RichFaces too.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: true
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok please create/update as needed so jira is accurate.
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11:43am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: looking...
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11:44am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok - hopefully these will be quick to resolve
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11:44am
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: There was an error in method that is never called in Servlets.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: hmmm
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balunasj
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Konstantin: ping ^
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alexsmirnov
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/PBR-86 would be more serious because it requires JavaScript review.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: looking...
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Konstantin
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balunasj: I think that sometimes IE8 wrong render tables with style "table-layout: fixed".
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balunasj
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Konstantin: so you have been able to reproduce outside of test app?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I was.. and pavel also..
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ilya_shaikovsky
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it just requires conditions Kostya already described in jira
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: ah I see your comment now
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nbelaevski
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Konstantin: are there any pointers to bug in IE itself? i.e. bug reports on quirksmode.org?..
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11:49am
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balunasj
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Konstantin: Is there a fix or is it an IE 8 problem?  Anyone else reporting it?  Bug reports perhaps?
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balunasj
 
did it again...
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ilya_shaikovsky
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we saw it even earlier but can't find the precise reason.. saw sporadicxally so thanks Lukas for test-case
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nbelaevski
 
is sorry Jay
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balunasj
 
lol
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balunasj
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Konstantin: it would be good if we could point to a bug in IE and close this if there is not a workaround
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balunasj
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http://trycatchfail.com/blog/post/2009/08/05/Internet-Explorer-8-table-layout-bug.aspx
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balunasj
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looks like others are seeing something similar
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balunasj
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or at least related
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balunasj
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if you can track down a MS bug that would good - then post here and close.
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Konstantin
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ok
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balunasj
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Konstantin: thanks
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balunasj
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time flies by....
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11:54am
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balunasj
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ok lets move on to new issues for 3.3.3
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11:54am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: and ilya_shaikovsky you were both discussing one right
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: you mentioned this one - https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8064
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ilya_shaikovsky
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no I asked about one new issue
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: RF-8-57
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ilya_shaikovsky
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not related
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balunasj
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RF-8057
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11:56am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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It seems like minor issue but was risen a few times at forum tried to be workarounded by the guys and I was surprised after the guys from two exadel projects reported it again not long time ago and I found out that it's not only not fixed but seems was even forgotten to be added to jira.
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: right not related to each other
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: looking...
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11:57am
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ilya_shaikovsky
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so we could at least ask Anton to check if it has easy fix.. It seems rather isolated
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11:58am
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: agreed - there are times when no answer is the right answer
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balunasj
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lets move to 3.3.3 and ask for an investigation - if it is not too involved we'll add it.
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alexsmirnov
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RF-8064 seems like added somewhere in 3.2/3.3. I'm sure what that feature has worked properly.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: comments on RF-8064 - I am not as familiar here?
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: do you think it would be an isolated fix?
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12:02pm
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balunasj
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I see you mention paint2d
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balunasj
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as well
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: we need to investigate this first
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12:02pm
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I'm for fixing the issue
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12:02pm
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok lets move to 3.3.3 and investigate for more info.
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: agree
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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ok good
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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this has taken longer than I thought - but I think we need to get through QE, and discuss dates for 3.3.3
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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if anyone needs to drop off feel free
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12:04pm
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balunasj
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lfryc: have you guys been able to look into test plans for 3.3.3?
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12:04pm
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balunasj
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lfryc: as I say in the agenda I think a focus on IE8 would also be appropriate.
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balunasj
 
not sure if he is on
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: ping
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: pong
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: you are here
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj
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ok lets just talk about dates before everyone starts making jokes
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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If we would like to release Nov 30th or so
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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back up a couple of weeks for QE
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balunasj
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thats the 16th for dev freeze
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12:10pm
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balunasj
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is that possible?
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balunasj
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amarkhel: thoughts?
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amarkhel
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20th I like more)
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balunasj
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amarkhel: of coarse - another joke
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12:12pm
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balunasj
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just kidding
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12:13pm
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balunasj
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lets go with the 20th and revisit next week - because I think the JSF 2.0 work is big variable
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amarkhel
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agree
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balunasj
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If that is the case I would like QE to be involved and testing sooner and not wait for a tag
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12:14pm
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balunasj
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I'll have to ping QE ofline
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12:14pm
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balunasj
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offline
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12:15pm
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balunasj
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lets go with that for now.
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12:15pm
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balunasj
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As for 4.0 items the forums have been very busy - which is great
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12:15pm
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balunasj
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the links are in the agenda - I have not had time to review todays, but will
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balunasj
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is there anything that needs to be covered in IRC or is everyone happy with the forum progress?
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12:17pm
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balunasj
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abelevich: pyaschenko nbelaevski alexsmirnov LexD ^
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nbelaevski
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I guess this one hanged: http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=162822
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abelevich
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yup just writting about this thread
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pyaschenko
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Need more activity in this thread from alexsmirnov (http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4263528#4263528)
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balunasj
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looking.... ah yes the div vs table
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LexD
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For me forum discussion is enough
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balunasj
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LexD question on that forum from nbelaevski
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balunasj
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LexD what is the benifit of using only divs for EDT?
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12:20pm
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balunasj
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LexD semantically speaking using table for a base would be appropriate
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balunasj
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pyaschenko: looking
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12:20pm
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alexsmirnov
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pyaschenko: Ok, I'm going to write out my thoughts about library.
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nbelaevski
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Konstantin: please update http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=159380
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pyaschenko
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alexsmirnov: Thanks
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: thanks
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balunasj
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LexD: any thoughts on this or you will add to the forum?
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balunasj
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LexD: ping^
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LexD
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well... Using only DIV in layout it requires a strong mathematics... One table per one layout - I think it is acceptably
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balunasj
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LexD: right and the math part is what we want to avoid if it makes sense.  So for EDT we could use something like what Konstantin proposes?
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balunasj
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Konstantin: can you post on the forums with more details of your markup and sample
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balunasj
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LexD: Konstantin : lets continue is forums - I need a bio break and a hand massage
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LexD
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I need to look at Konstantin's solution
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balunasj
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LexD: ok thanks
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LexD
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Thanks
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balunasj
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I'll post up the minutes and follow up on the forums this afternoon - thanks all
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ilya_shaikovsky
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thanks