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balunasj
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Agenda posted for todays meeting - http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda12-15-2009
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amitev
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nice
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balunasj
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amitev: yes - it is going to be a 3.3.3 feast
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balunasj
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we really want to make this a stable release + add JSF 2 compatibility - two things that are at times at odds
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nbelaevski
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hello all
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: hi nick
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: hi Jay
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Marauder
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hi All!
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balunasj
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Hi ilya_shaikovsky
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pyaschenko
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Hi All
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balunasj
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I'll just go with the "Hi All"
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balunasj
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we'll get started in a few minutes  - http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda12-15-2009
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balunasj
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ok everyone lets get started
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11:02am
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balunasj
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Obviously from looking at the agenda 3.3.3 is the big focus
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11:03am
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balunasj
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Nick found a couple of perf issues and has been working on these.
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abelevich
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hi all
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balunasj
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I'd like to get a general update from Nick, amarkhel, and Alex K about the status for Dev.
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amarkhel
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balunasj: Hi, Currently I work on RF-8179 and it is almost done
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amarkhel
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balunasj: I found solution only check needed
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok good - do you know about how long you need?
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amarkhel
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balunasj: RF-8149 looks like trivial
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amarkhel
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balunasj: 1h maximum
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amarkhel
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balunasj: for 8179
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok so you need 1h to wrap up RF-8179.
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amarkhel
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balyunasj: yes
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balunasj
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I'd rather not add anything else for BETA1 so perhaps we can hold off on RF-8179
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balunasj
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amarkhel: lets wait and see how Nick and Alex are doing.
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amarkhel
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ok
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: RF-8203 is resolved
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: RF-8204 is fixed, but under testing right now
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: yup I saw that r. 8203
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good
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balunasj
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how much time to you need to wrap up?
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: discussed RF-8204 with alexsmirnov, will commit ~in an hour
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: great.
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balunasj
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amarkhel: do you know how Alex is doing with his issue?
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amarkhel
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balunasj: sorry I dont now(
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alexsmirnov
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Hi all! JSF State management already has desired feature, so it would be better to use original code.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: on min
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok - could you ask him to join the meeting if he is there?
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: could you explain?
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alexsmirnov
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Really, I've introduced it into spec from RF implementation, but Mojarra 2.0 moved server-side state management code from StateManager to ResponseStateManager.
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alexsmirnov
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We should only tell JSF that we perform AJAX request.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: doesn't this need to "switch" based on jsf 1 or 2?
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: our code should change behavior. Nick suggested to create separate StateManager in the "2.0" source code.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: do you are saying we should switch our jsf 1.2 impl to behave like jsf 2.0?
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I would be concerned about changing core functionality on 3.3.X for JSF 1.2
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: JSF 1.2 implementation will stay unchanged
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good -
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balunasj
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I thought alexsmirnov was saying we should adjust jsf 1.2 impl
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I've added one more for JSF 2.0 - radically simplified what we had in JSF 1.2 because JSF 2.0 does most stuff
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: small refactoring was necessary, however it should not affect end users much
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok - so prabhat and QE can test normally and cover issues that might be introduced.
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes
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balunasj
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ok good
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balunasj
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so lets talk about other jira issues and see about
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balunasj
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getting a release out
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balunasj
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lfryc: your issue - can it be moved to RFPL?
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lfryc
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balunasj: sorry, but what issue specifically?
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balunasj
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rf-8188
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lfryc
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balunasj: yeah, sorry for that, I will move this issue
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balunasj
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lfryc: Also in alex's issue RF-8195 0 he is asking for screenshots.
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balunasj
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either way I do not think either of these should effect BETA1 release.
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balunasj
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amarkhel: Lets move the last item rf-8149 to CR1
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balunasj
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amarkhel: I don't want to delay the release any longer.
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amarkhel
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balunasj: I think I can fix Rf-8149 tjday
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amarkhel
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today
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balunasj
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amarkhel: when can you and Alex begin creating the distribution build for QE then?
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lfryc
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balunasj: I will make screens, but this is not critical.. the column is little widely than in others and different behaviour from IE
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balunasj
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lfryc: yup we are going to shift to next release
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lfryc
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balunasj: I will check backward-compatibility too
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lfryc
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balunasj: good
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balunasj
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lfryc: do you need me to move your issue, or can you do it?
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lfryc
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balunasj: I will do that
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amarkhel
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balunasj: I'll going to close 2 my issue in 2 hours, but creating build - I think Konstantin will be doing there
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: Who do you think should create the build
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: Konstantin2 will do it
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: previously we talked about have amarkhel and alex k work on this.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok
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balunasj
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Konstantin2:  In two hours it will likely be too late for you to start build today - correct?
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Konstantin2
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yes
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balunasj
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Konstantin2: ok - can you do this first thing tomorrow so that QE does not loose another day for testing?
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balunasj
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prabhat: lfryc : before we get too far into release planning do you guys have any updates on jopr testing, or other items
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Konstantin2
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I will start today and tomorrow will check results.
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balunasj
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balunasj
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Konstantin2: ok excellent, I appreciate it
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prabhat
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balunasj: no other updates..I have not seen much on jopr lately but Lukas and Ondrej did work on together.
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prabhat
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balunasj: they were manually able to run it
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balunasj
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rruss: smcgowan : not sure if we are having IRC issues people seem to dropping out and coming back.
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prabhat
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lfryc: right> ^
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lfryc
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balunasj: prabhat Ondra is actually working at fixing the EmbJopr (afaik the HtmlUnit bug now) but no news about that from him
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rruss
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balunasj: workload management
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balunasj
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lfryc: iirc he was able to test manually though correct?
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prabhat
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lfryc: yup that I understand but in mean time I thought he was going to run it manually, right?
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lfryc
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balunasj: yeah, he tested 3.3.3.Beta1 manually, but no new progress with automating
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balunasj
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lfryc: ok thanks
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balunasj
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so lets move onto
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balunasj
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release planning
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balunasj
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If we get a build out tomorrow
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balunasj
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prabhat: how long do you guys need?
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prabhat
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balunasj: assuming no major issues found and only verifying delta between last build and the one from tomorrow, we might be able to finish Monday...that's only 3 days
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prabhat
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balunasj: there is lot to be tested..for example, we have two new builds with server side state serialization turned on now after Nick fixed those issue
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balunasj
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prabhat: agreed - there is a lot to test
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prabhat
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balunasj: all tests have not passed. It could be environement or test or app
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balunasj
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lets plan for Monday
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prabhat
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balunasj: with jsf1.2 and jsf2, ideally I should be asking for 2 x 3.3.2.GA test cycle
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balunasj
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prabhat: are these new failures?
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prabhat
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balunasj: but given it's beta, we will rush into it
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balunasj
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prabhat: understood and agree
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balunasj
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prabhat: I think that while the beta will be released testing will continue to get full coverage
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes..we always do that..when a release is not in progress, we expand it
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balunasj
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prabhat: I would expect no less
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: prabhat : I'm also becoming more open to the idea of a BETA2 if it is needed
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prabhat
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balunasj: for example lfryc has spent lot of time so that tests can pass on IE..we have made some progress but still not where are we with FF
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balunasj
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prabhat: sure - I think of that as the test development phases and efforts
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes, probably
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prabhat
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balunasj: hehe..my reasoning was that with jsf1.2 and jsf2, it's lot to ask for just one beta..hence I pushed for beta2
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balunasj
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prabhat: nbelaevski : agreed
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balunasj
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I will not create the jira release for it yet, since we still are at a reasonable # of issues
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prabhat
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balunasj: so we will get the build tomorrow and depending on initial test, we will know how long it will take
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balunasj
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but if anything critical or complex comes up I think we should bite the bullet and have a BETA2
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balunasj
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prabhat: ok good
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balunasj
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rruss: FYI r. the possibility of a BETA2
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rruss
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balunsaj: got it
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balunasj
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ok lets talk about release prep
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balunasj
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Marauder and I have the bulk of this, but one item will require a little more input.
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balunasj
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That is the wiki page for descriptions of using 3.3.3.BETA1 and JSF 2
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balunasj
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Marauder: you and I will coordinate the announcements and blogs this week.
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balunasj
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I'll also talk with Sean about doc prep.
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Marauder
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ok.. I saw wiki related issues updates
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balunasj
 
we'll cover doc items in more detail at doc meeting Thursday.
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balunasj
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Marauder: yup
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balunasj
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and that is what I'd like to discuss
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balunasj
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it has also been coming up on forums a bit too.
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balunasj
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We should nail down the requirements for using RF 3.3.3 and JSF2
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balunasj
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and also any tips, or suggestions for interaction.
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balunasj
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In the agenda I entered a couple of items I've seen in forums and other places
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balunasj
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use impl-jsf2 jar
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balunasj
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Facelets requirements for 3.3.3
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balunasj
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issues with using JSF 2 tags like f:ajax and js aPI
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: nbelaevski : Any thoughts or additions for this ?
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balunasj
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note - this version does not need to be a fully edited perfect version of the wiki
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balunasj
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just a starting point.
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: usage of JSF2 Facelets
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balunasj
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The full fledged wiki need to be inplace for CR1
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: Mavem configuration
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Marauder
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nbelaevski, sure
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balunasj
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yup
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balunasj
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Kito brought up an issue with keep aive as well - ilya_shaikovsky have you had a chance to look at that?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, I checked it under 3.3.3
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ilya_shaikovsky
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works fine for me
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ilya_shaikovsky
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answered with that
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and answered issue on listShuttle
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yup so the listshuddle part
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balunasj
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ok
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balunasj
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so ilya_shaikovsky could create that wiki page skeleton and add some content.  Then we'll review and update as needed
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ilya_shaikovsky
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B.t.w. I seems missed that he probably tried it under JSF 2.. and seems need to comment on that
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yes he is working with jsf2 - I thought you knew that - sorry
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, sure - I planned to made it tommorow till the time you will be onlien to review it
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balunasj
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you rock
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, I just missed because started work on this earlier than under LS problem and forum thread does not contain this info
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balunasj
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ok so here is an opinion ? for everyone.
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balunasj
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should we have a section in the docs for 3.3.3 discussing JSF2 or should we leave it as a wiki based feature?
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leaning towards a section in the docs
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prabhat
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balunasj: i think it should be a chapter on its own
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, I think wiki page is enough
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and project site section
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balunasj
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any others?
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balunasj
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Lets think about it and we can discuss more at doc meeting on thursday.  I think it depends a lot on sean and how much time he may need.
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I think it makes sense to add readme into RF distributive and into docs
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ilya_shaikovsky
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nbelaevski, that the same I wanted to add
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nbelaevski
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ilya_shaikovsky: yup, sorry
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balunasj
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nbelaevski:
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ilya_shaikovsky
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nbelaevski, why sorry you just reminded it to me
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balunasj
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anything else critical for 3.3.3.B1 or anything else RF related?
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prabhat
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balunasj: nbelaevski ilya_shaikovsky jsf2 doc or wiki should be in bold, flashing, eye popping display so that people have easier time finding it
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balunasj
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prabhat: yes
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balunasj
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we will also be pushing it heavily in blogs and announcements
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balunasj
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If I have time ( always in short supply ) I plan on writing a blog of deploying live demo to AS 6 with JSF 2.
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balunasj
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and some other items ( but depends on timing ).
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balunasj
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ok everyone - thanks and I'll post minutes soon
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balunasj
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if anything changes please let me know