[13:14:19] <balunasj> serogers: ok lets move on to 4.0
[13:14:28] <balunasj> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFaces40ALPHA2DocumentationStatus
[13:15:14] <balunasj> after this week we will be able to clearly state what components are going to be available.
[13:15:41] <serogers> Great
[13:15:47] <balunasj> we discussed this in the component impl meeting, but we should distill it down to a simple list.
[13:16:05] <balunasj> from this you should be able to estimate time for component ref
[13:16:54] <serogers> Yes
[13:18:17] <balunasj> serogers: with the other meetings the "owner" kicked off the meeting with a summary of the progress and plans
[13:18:31] <balunasj> serogers: can you get us started that way
[13:18:39] <balunasj> serogers: then we'll dig into specifics.
[13:18:47] <serogers> OK
[13:19:31] <serogers> Progress is going fairly well. I'm currently on schedule for a GA in May
[13:19:45] <serogers> Do we have a set date yet for Alpha2?
[13:20:15] <balunasj> serogers: that is what this week is for :-)
[13:20:27] <serogers> I see :)
[13:20:29] <balunasj> serogers: from these meeting I'll put together a schedule
[13:20:34] <balunasj> and plan for release
[13:20:43] <serogers> OK, cool
[13:21:05] <balunasj> nbelaevski and I will get it cleaned up and then at another meeting I'll go over the plan
[13:21:16] <balunasj> hopefully by end of Jan we'll have dates and plans
[13:21:29] <balunasj> after ALPHA2 the next release is going to be BETA1 an
[13:21:45] <balunasj> and be in time-box increments so release will be predicable.
[13:21:51] <nbelaevski> serogers: we've added requirements for A2 to the wiki article
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[13:22:14] <balunasj> yup - once serogers wraps up summary we'll dig into those.
[13:22:14] <serogers> Cool
[13:22:19] <serogers> As for plans, I've put the Component Reference on hold for a bit to get the Developers Guide more progressed.
[13:22:27] <nbelaevski> serogers: some are likely to require our collaboration to be set up (like JS Docs build)
[13:22:40] <serogers> Once we have an idea of which components need to be included I'll get into those
[13:22:54] <balunasj> serogers: ok
[13:22:57] <serogers> nbelaevski: OK
[13:23:28] <balunasj> so lets start discussing some of the requirements for A2
[13:23:36] <balunasj> and interactions that will be needed.
[13:23:46] <serogers> OK
[13:23:47] <balunasj> From a build point of view
[13:24:18] <balunasj> I would like to see builds for all major docs in place with at least a skeleton structure - if not more.
[13:24:22] <balunasj> +
[13:24:48] <balunasj> either an assembly for docs specifically or built into the main project assembly
[13:25:09] <balunasj> a build for generating the entire doc bundle - api, JS, TLD, etc....
[13:25:34] <balunasj> I also do not want any "generated" docs in the reference guide or component guide if it can be avoided.
[13:25:58] <balunasj> We should cross link to API, TLD docs when needed I think.
[13:26:34] <balunasj> I know in 3.3.X there was generated content in dev guide ( correct if wrong ), and I would like to avoid that.
[13:26:58] <balunasj> It made it so the doc team was modifying source code, and CDK properties to get docs updated.
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[13:27:54] <balunasj> on top of these the other requirements that nbelaevski is referring to in the status page
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[13:28:32] <balunasj> nbelaevski: test ping?
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[13:28:45] <nbelaevski> balunasj: ping successgul
[13:29:04] <balunasj> nbelaevski: ok - something seems to be happening with IRC
[13:29:12] <balunasj> serogers: ping what was the last thing you saw?
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[13:29:54] <serogers> Sorry... did I disconnect?
[13:30:23] <ilya_shaikovsky> serogers, not only you :/
[13:31:21] <serogers> serogers: I have set up Hudson builds now for 4.0 docs
[13:31:21] <serogers> [10:29pm] serogers: Though I haven't seen any confirmation it has worked yet
[13:31:31] <serogers> Then everyone disconnected except me :)
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[13:35:40] <balunasj> serogers: ping?
[13:35:40] <balunasj> nbelaevski: ilya_shaikovsky : while we are waiting for serogers to get back wdyt about the generated doc comments from above?  This is something we touched on at f-2-f
[13:35:40] <balunasj> abelevich: ping
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[13:37:29] <balunasj> nbelaevski: ping - back?
[13:37:35] <nbelaevski> I'm here
[13:38:16] <balunasj> as I was saying if we need to we'll cover this in emails, but I would prefer not to wait on this stuff until next doc meeting.
[13:38:24] <balunasj> hopefully sean will join back.
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[13:39:31] <balunasj> I'm going to reconnect
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[13:40:38] <balunasj> nbelaevski: ilya_shaikovsky : while we are waiting for serogers to get back wdyt about the generated doc comments from above?  This is something we touched on at f-2-f
[13:40:43] <balunasj> hoe much of that did you see?
[13:41:03] <balunasj> how much
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[13:41:39] <nbelaevski> doc team updated TLD docs (via CDK)
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[13:41:53] <balunasj> serogers: you back?
[13:42:00] <nbelaevski> also they corrected JavaDoc for grammar
[13:42:05] <balunasj> check out transcript here - http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/richfaces/1263942000
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[13:42:29] <balunasj> [13:23:28] <balunasj> so lets start discussing some of the requirements for A2
[13:42:29] <balunasj> [13:23:36] <balunasj> and interactions that will be needed.
[13:42:29] <balunasj> [13:23:46] <serogers> OK
[13:42:30] <balunasj> [13:23:47] <balunasj> From a build point of view
[13:42:30] <balunasj> [13:24:18] <balunasj> I would like to see builds for all major docs in place with at least a skeleton structure - if not more.
[13:42:30] <balunasj> [13:24:22] <balunasj> +
[13:42:32] <balunasj> [13:24:48] <balunasj> either an assembly for docs specifically or built into the main project assembly
[13:42:34] <balunasj> [13:25:09] <balunasj> a build for generating the entire doc bundle - api, JS, TLD, etc....
[13:42:36] <balunasj> [13:25:34] <balunasj> I also do not want any "generated" docs in the reference guide or component guide if it can be avoided.
[13:42:39] <balunasj> [13:25:58] <balunasj> We should cross link to API, TLD docs when needed I think.
[13:42:41] <balunasj> [13:26:34] <balunasj> I know in 3.3.X there was generated content in dev guide ( correct if wrong ), and I would like to avoid that.
[13:42:44] <balunasj> [13:26:58] <balunasj> It made it so the doc team was modifying source code, and CDK properties to get docs updated.
[13:42:50] <balunasj> [13:27:54] <balunasj> on top of these the other requirements that nbelaevski is referring to in the status page
[13:43:43] <balunasj> I'm fine with doc team assisting with grammar in javadoc parts.
[13:43:47] <balunasj> nbelaevski: ^
[13:43:58] <nbelaevski> balunasj: +1
[13:44:24] <serogers> Yep, I'm here
[13:44:32] <balunasj> nbelaevski: to all points, or just the last one?
[13:44:38] <balunasj> serogers: welcome back
[13:44:46] <balunasj> IRC was messing up for everyone
[13:45:26] <balunasj> thankfully I just set up a transcript logger with a neat project here - http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/richfaces/1263942000
[13:45:42] <nbelaevski> balunasj: the last one. still thinking about the others
[13:45:50] <balunasj> nbelaevski: ok
[13:46:53] <balunasj> can someone explain what content was auto-generated in 3.3.X for the actual docs?  not api/tld etc....
[13:47:04] <balunasj> at the last f-2-f alex was describing this.
[13:47:30] <balunasj> I believe it was the various property tables and attributes.
[13:47:39] <balunasj> serogers: what are your thoughts on the points above?
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[13:48:28] <nbelaevski> balunasj: right, information for attributes
[13:49:03] <balunasj> crap - it is happening again
[13:49:15] <nbelaevski> I cannot ping serogers :(
[13:49:25] <nbelaevski> serogers: are you there>
[13:49:26] <nbelaevski> ?
[13:49:29] <balunasj> I'll have to write this up in a team meeting forum topic
[13:49:36] <balunasj> nbelaevski: no he dropped off
[13:49:45] <balunasj> my irc client shows when people drop
[13:50:37] <nbelaevski> mine said he dropped and then returned back :(
[13:50:46] <nbelaevski> Sean is back!!!
[13:50:46] <serogers> I'm here
[13:50:59] <nbelaevski> balunasj: right, information for attributes
[13:51:07] <balunasj> ok
[13:51:08] <serogers> Mine keeps saying all of you drop off!
[13:51:18] <serogers> :?
[13:51:25] <balunasj> yup ours too - something is wrong with freenode i think
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[13:51:31] <nbelaevski> but we are here
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[13:52:09] <balunasj> serogers: we had a company meeting in about 5 minutes
[13:52:17] <balunasj> so I'll need to wrap up.
[13:52:26] <serogers> OK
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[13:52:36] <balunasj> What I'll do is summarize this stuff
[13:52:50] <serogers> I said: serogers: OK, that all sounds fine. I already have the docs building. I added them to Hudson today so they will be built daily from now on
[13:52:54] <balunasj> in a team meeting discussion forum, and we'll continue that.
[13:53:03] <balunasj> nice.
[13:53:19] <balunasj> nbelaevski: also added some good requirements for component coverage for A2
[13:53:49] <balunasj> but some things like JS docs might need some cooperation.
[13:54:40] <serogers> OK
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[13:55:22] <balunasj> ok with everyone dropping off  - Iets just wrap up and continue in forums.
[13:55:38] <balunasj> I'll try to ping you serogers in IRC when I see you on to talk more
[13:55:47] <serogers> OK balunasj
[13:55:51] <balunasj> hopefully freenode will stabilize before our next meeting
[13:55:55] <balunasj> thanks serogers
[13:56:08] <serogers> No problem