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09:10am
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prabhat
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balunasj: when is the tag planned?
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09:10am
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balunasj
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prabhat: from the schedule here we were going to cover QE second hour
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09:10am
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balunasj
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http://community.jboss.org/wiki/400ALPHA2MeetingScheduleJanuary2010
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09:10am
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balunasj
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prabhat: that is what these meetings are to finalize
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09:10am
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balunasj
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prabhat: from these I'll create the final schedule for ALPHA2 and we'll discuss next week!
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09:11am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i must have missed this one as I did not think there was any meeting on Friday
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09:11am
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balunasj
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prabhat: are you subscribed to the project calendar?
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09:11am
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes
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09:12am
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balunasj
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plus the email I sent earlier this week with this list - http://community.jboss.org/wiki/400ALPHA2MeetingScheduleJanuary2010
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09:12am
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balunasj
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I assumed you were aware
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09:13am
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prabhat
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balunasj: now, I think I am. I have been through that http://community.jboss.org/wiki/400ALPHA2MeetingScheduleJanuary2010. I am heading to office and will be back online full throttle in 15 min
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09:13am
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balunasj
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prabhat: ok
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09:14am
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prabhat
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balunasj: nothing to worry though..as long as it happens after SP1 is done
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09:14am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ttyl
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09:14am
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balunasj
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k
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09:14am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok so since we can't talk about QE atm - are you ready to discuss CDK?
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10:26am
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balunasj
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ping - am I back?
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10:27am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: yes
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10:27am
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balunasj
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10:28am
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prabhat
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balunasj: how can I help you?
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10:28am
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balunasj
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ok lets get back at it.
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10:29am
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balunasj
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prabhat: I see you have not had a chance to update the QE status for ALPHA2
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10:29am
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balunasj
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prabhat: we discussed that last weeks meeting, I did see you link to an internal wiki page on the main 4.0 site
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10:29am
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balunasj
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prabhat: we wanted to discuss you general plan and requirements for ALPHA2
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10:30am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ya but in terms of core 4.x work, there has been none
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10:30am
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prabhat
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balunasj: we have mostly focussed on 3.3.3 and make sure that jsf1 and jsf2 are working
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10:30am
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balunasj
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prabhat: yes, but part of that status was near/long term tasks, and requirements/estimates for 4.0.
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10:30am
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balunasj
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things like functional test plans
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10:30am
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balunasj
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investigation of builds and structures for QE artifacts
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10:31am
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balunasj
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perhaps packaging of QE artifacts as a releasable dist
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10:31am
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balunasj
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plans to work with team such as client lib, and core on testing strategies
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10:31am
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balunasj
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etc...
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10:31am
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prabhat
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balunasj: sure
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10:32am
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balunasj
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prabhat: can we discuss these types of things now?
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10:32am
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prabhat
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balunasj: let's do that
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10:32am
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prabhat
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balunasj: current status:
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10:32am
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balunasj
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prabhat: even just to get high level items for schedule and release docs
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10:33am
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prabhat
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no explicit work has  been started on 4.x testing so not much to talk there
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10:33am
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prabhat
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near term tasks:
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10:34am
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prabhat
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1. To be able to test components already developed by going through demo app and based on latest wiki and docs
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10:34am
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prabhat
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2. To port demo app testing from 3.3.* to 4.X since structure of demo-app has tentatively been kept in sync with 3.3.X
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10:35am
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prabhat
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Long Term tasks:
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10:36am
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prabhat
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1. To have better way to do component testing ..concept similar to test-applications used in 3.3.X But I think we have to think about implementation differently.
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10:36am
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prabhat
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2. Write lots of example application and their test cases for more thorough end to end testing
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10:37am
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10:37am
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prabhat
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balunasj: most of these are mentioned in test plan
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10:37am
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balunasj
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prabhat: sure, but we need to make the plan public as well - I'd like you most most of that information to the public forums to general review.
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10:38am
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prabhat
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balunasj: then of course usual suspects: AS, Tomcat compatibility etc
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10:38am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ya, i agree. those will go to public
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10:38am
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prabhat
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balunasj: it's a matter of timing..I will work on it
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10:38am
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balunasj
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prabhat: migration testing as well, but that will be for later releases
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10:38am
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balunasj
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comments on 1)
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10:39am
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balunasj
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the demo app plan will be discussed on Monday
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10:39am
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balunasj
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we are not going to do a "port" of the current rf-demo, but create a new component gallery application.
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10:39am
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balunasj
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in the short term you may need other ways to test the components included in ALPHA2 so that
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10:40am
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balunasj
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you don't spend too much time testing the demo and not the components
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10:40am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ya no port is fine but if relative xpath don't change much, it will help everybody because we spent a lot of time automating demo app in 3.3.X and to start from scratch will be painful
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10:41am
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balunasj
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prabhat: can't promise that, but I think that is something to consider for discussion on monday.
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10:41am
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prabhat
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balunasj: well, we focus on demo app too much because that's our show piece of community
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10:41am
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balunasj
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sure
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10:41am
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prabhat
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to community I meant
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10:42am
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balunasj
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I'm just saying for ALPHA2 release the app will be very ALPHA and might not be the best target for testing A2 components
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10:42am
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balunasj
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sure I gotcha
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10:42am
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balunasj
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10:42am
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prabhat
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balunasj: for alpha..just unit tests should pass IMO
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10:42am
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balunasj
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you might need to develop a couple of small test apps for that.
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10:43am
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balunasj
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I there should be at least some manual testing, even if we do not have automation in place.
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10:43am
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes..we did that last time as well
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10:43am
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10:43am
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balunasj
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although I agree ALPHA2 code does not need full testing
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10:43am
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balunasj
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yup
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10:43am
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prabhat
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balunasj: specially with validators and components which had some functionality working
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10:43am
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prabhat
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balunasj: so ya, it will be more than uni tests
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10:44am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: alexsmirnov : did you guys have additional items than the ones I brought up above?  Just want to get them on the table.
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10:44am
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balunasj
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ok
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10:44am
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alexsmirnov
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prabhat: Currently, we have a components gallery and sepatate test applications. I thought to create unified structure that can be used to test separate components and also assembled as components galery.
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10:45am
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prabhat
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alexsmirnov: yes...separate test-applicaiton is that I had in mind when I said similar concept but probably different implementation
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10:45am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I like the idea ( did we discuss that before? )
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10:45am
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alexsmirnov
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Maven lets us to import dependency wars into single application.
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10:45am
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prabhat
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alexsmirnov: I will fireup a thread on this to the mailing list and we will figure out a best way to proceed
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10:45am
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: I remember it has already been discussed.
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10:46am
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balunasj
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prabhat: ok good
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10:46am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: I'll have the example discussion later at mondays meeting
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10:46am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I'm going via test plan in the docspace and adding some paper notes to discuss this furthermore
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10:46am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: so that you can be there to discuss this as well.
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10:47am
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prabhat
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nbelaevski: thanks..that should be handy
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10:47am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agreed, I have notes I made a while ago in the comments.
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10:47am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i believe long terms plan is already in test plan which you have seen
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10:47am
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prabhat
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balunasj: it's the impl and execution which are missing
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10:47am
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alexsmirnov
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prabhat: currently, richfaces-demo already has separate pages that assembled by templates. We can divide single app into small ones that contains the same examples and use different apps/templates for different purposes.
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10:47am
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balunasj
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prabhat: I'd like to see the status page linked above updated with ALPHA2 requirements and plans.
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10:48am
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balunasj
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prabhat: and we'll keep complete test plan for 4.0 in general
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10:48am
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prabhat
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alexsmirnov: ya, i understand
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10:49am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i will update the wiki with what we discussed here
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10:49am
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: that could allow for development and testing ( functional ) at a component level, but be combined for the complete app.
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10:49am
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balunasj
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10:49am
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balunasj
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prabhat: ok thanks
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10:49am
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balunasj
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prabhat: do you have a timeframe for that?  what does next week look like for you
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10:49am
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balunasj
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?
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10:49am
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prabhat
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balunasj: but why you need long term plan for Alpha 2 QE status..i mean it's for alpha2 right
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10:50am
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balunasj
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for most of the topics this was to cover items that either would be done for ALPHA2, but not now, or items that were likey to be deferred
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10:50am
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balunasj
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for QE plan we can skip that.
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10:50am
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balunasj
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I am more concerned with ALPHA2 requirements, and estimates for time
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10:51am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i will update this wiki with what we can do for alpha2 testing
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10:51am
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balunasj
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I know estimates will be tough right now
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10:51am
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balunasj
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but even if it is just rough man-hour listings
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10:51am
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balunasj
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it will help
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10:51am
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prabhat
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balunasj: updating wikii
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10:52am
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balunasj
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thanks
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10:52am
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prabhat
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np
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10:52am
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balunasj
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anything else critical to cover with QE right now, I know we have a lot to cover with QE, but we need some of this info as well?
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10:53am
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: no I think no
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10:54am
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balunasj
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prabhat: any questions for topics you want to discuss with the time remaining?
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10:54am
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prabhat
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balunasj: for alpha2, we are fine I think
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10:54am
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balunasj
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ok
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10:54am
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prabhat
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balunasj: in general, should 3.3.X apps work in 4.X?
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10:55am
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balunasj
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prabhat: not without updates
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10:55am
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balunasj
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they should work with 3.3.3 + JSF 2,
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10:55am
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balunasj
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but 4.0 will require updates
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10:55am
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balunasj
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we are also discussing a migration bridge concept
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10:55am
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prabhat
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balunasj: i meant 3.3.3+jsf2 examples in 4.x?
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10:55am
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balunasj
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that may make that easier, but that will not be in ALPHA2
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10:56am
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balunasj
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nope - same thing - changes will be needed.  The bridge should help when done
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10:56am
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balunasj
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but not in short term
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10:56am
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prabhat
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balunasj: right so 4.x is not backward compatible
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10:57am
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balunasj
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nope
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10:57am
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prabhat
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balunasj: it's fine ..major releases are not always have that requirement
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10:57am
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balunasj
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yup we chose not to do that
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10:57am
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balunasj
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as I said the bridge and/or scripts will be written to assist, but may not be perfect
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10:58am
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prabhat
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balunasj: ok
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10:58am
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balunasj
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anything else atm?
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10:58am
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prabhat
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balunasj: nope
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10:58am
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nbelaevski
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none from my side
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10:59am
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balunasj
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ok great
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10:59am
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balunasj
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its been a long week of meetings
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10:59am
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balunasj
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and we'll have a few more next week
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10:59am
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balunasj
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but thanks everyone for assisting and comments
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10:59am
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balunasj
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I'll post transcripts as usual