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balunasj
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Hi All
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balunasj
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Meeting agenda is here - http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda3-16-2010
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11:02am
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balunasj
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I think we can get started - most everyone is here
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11:02am
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balunasj
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So first a note jbossbot user
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11:03am
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balunasj
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This is a new bot from the some of the jboss qe, and dev group
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11:03am
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balunasj
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We'll use it to reference jiras
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11:03am
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balunasj
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like this RF-3000
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11:03am
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jbossbot
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[RF-3000] Ol/LS: validate that submitted & model collections are the same [Closed, Major, Nick Belaevski] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-3000
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balunasj
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It makes it a lot easier to share the info and we don't have to look up links all the time
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11:04am
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balunasj
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So next topic is 3.3.3.Final release
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11:04am
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balunasj
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release
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balunasj
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we need to discuss https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/BrowseVersion.jspa?id=12310341&versionId=12314120&showOpenIssuesOnly=true
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11:04am
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balunasj
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and items on the remaining issues
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11:05am
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balunasj
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amarkhel is planning on completing RF-8440, 8425, 8463, 8331,8500, 8357, 7813, 8491
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11:05am
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jbossbot
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[RF-8440] problems with fileUpload controls labels [Open, Critical, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8440
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11:05am
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balunasj
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by Thursday
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11:05am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: you said you have not been able to reproduce Rf-8163
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balunasj
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RF-8163
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jbossbot
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[RF-8163] rich:calendar switching between JulianCalendar and Gregorian [Reopened, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8163
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11:05am
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balunasj
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correct?
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11:06am
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amarkhel
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balunasj: yes
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11:06am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: is someone else available to take quick look - perhaps a fresh set of eyes?
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11:07am
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nbelaevski
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I can take a quick look
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11:07am
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balunasj
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We may need to shift someone to assist amarkhel as his estimates will push the release another week.
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11:08am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok
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11:08am
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balunasj
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lets finish discussing the estimates then we'll talk about how to get 3.3.3.F out
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11:08am
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nbelaevski
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ok
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11:08am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: RF-8494, RF-8524, RF-8525 -  you are not sure but think these are 1-1.5 days each?
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11:08am
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jbossbot
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[RF-8494] Describe limitations of table variables usage with sorting/filtering [Open, Major, Sean Rogers] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8494
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11:09am
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jbossbot
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[RF-8524] Update JSF 2 version of 3.3.x to use built-in exception handler [Open, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8524
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11:09am
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jbossbot
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[RF-8525] rf-demo (JSF2): Tree Nodes Adaptor - rendered="#{not empty fileSystemBean.sourceRoots}" - NullPointerException [Open, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8525
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11:09am
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balunasj
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or 1-1.5 total?
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11:09am
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amarkhel
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total
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11:09am
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balunasj
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RF-8494 - is for sean anyway - we'll discuss that with him at tomorrows meeting
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11:09am
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jbossbot
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[RF-8494] Describe limitations of table variables usage with sorting/filtering [Open, Major, Sean Rogers] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8494
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11:09am
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nbelaevski
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I can take RF-8525
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jbossbot
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[RF-8525] rf-demo (JSF2): Tree Nodes Adaptor - rendered="#{not empty fileSystemBean.sourceRoots}" - NullPointerException [Open, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8525
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11:10am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: ok good
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nbelaevski
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and 8424
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balunasj
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thanks
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11:10am
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nbelaevski
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sorry, 8524
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11:11am
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: you beat me to assigning them
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nbelaevski
 
is sorry for that
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balunasj
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amarkhel: Then RF-8359, RF-8425 you don't think your be any to estimate and may take a long time
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11:12am
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jbossbot
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[RF-8359] Fileupload component hanging during upload [Open, Critical, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8359
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jbossbot
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[RF-8425] rich:tooltip performance [Open, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8425
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balunasj
 
looking...
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amarkhel
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balunasj: yes
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amarkhel
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no not RF-8425
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jbossbot
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[RF-8425] rich:tooltip performance [Open, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8425
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amarkhel
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RF-8425 Is relatively simple
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jbossbot
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[RF-8425] rich:tooltip performance [Open, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8425
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok good
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amarkhel
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looking second issue..
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11:15am
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amarkhel
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balunasj:RF-8347 is second issue
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jbossbot
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[RF-8347] Demo: Tree with D&D -- not rendered correctly [Reopened, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8347
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balunasj
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amarkhel: is that because you think it is related to CSS and the skins?
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amarkhel
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balunasj: May be, I am not sure where problem are
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11:17am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: ok - if needed perhaps you could discuss with lex ( if it might be CSS issue ).
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amarkhel
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ok
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11:18am
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balunasj
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amarkhel: Has this ever been reproduced outside of the demo?
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amarkhel
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I didn't see yet
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balunasj
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It seems like something that would have been reported
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balunasj
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ok
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11:19am
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balunasj
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lets take a closer look once you have wrapped up some of the other issues.
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balunasj
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So out of 15 open issues
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balunasj
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1 is docs ( discussed tomorrow )
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nbelaevski
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btw, I've posted new issue with Ivy buid today
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alexsmirnov
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I can take 8529. It also affects 2.0.x maven versions.
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balunasj
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3 are assigned to nbelaevski ( yup about to ask about RF-8529 )
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jbossbot
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[RF-8529] Apache Ivy cannot handle framework dependencies for 3.3.3.CR1 [Open, Major, Nick Belaevski] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8529
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: looking...
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nbelaevski
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alexsmirnov: I'm ok with that
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balunasj
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ok
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alexsmirnov
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That is because pom contains variables as artifactId and dependency versions.
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balunasj
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the rest ( 11 are assigned to amarkhel ).
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balunasj
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amarkhel: 8 of them you think will be done by thursday
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amarkhel
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yes
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balunasj
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amarkhel: then 2 more will take till end of day friday ( 1 more day ).
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amarkhel
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looks like this is possible
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balunasj
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That leaves 1 RF-8359 as a variable
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jbossbot
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[RF-8359] Fileupload component hanging during upload [Open, Critical, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8359
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balunasj
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plus some unknown with RF-8347
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jbossbot
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[RF-8347] Demo: Tree with D&D -- not rendered correctly [Reopened, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8347
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balunasj
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So these last two might impact into next week
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balunasj
 
plus we'll take a look at unscheduled
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: is someone able to help estimate these quick ( i.e. get some of the investigation started )?
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: amarkhel could still do the impl, but if someone could point in right direction.
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amarkhel
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agree
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balunasj
 
thinking not nbelaevski since he is already helping out
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: perhaps you could check if the tree issue is reproducable outside of demo
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balunasj
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?
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nbelaevski
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I can take RF-8347
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jbossbot
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[RF-8347] Demo: Tree with D&D -- not rendered correctly [Reopened, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8347
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balunasj
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pyaschenko: perhaps you could take a look at the fileupload issues since you already commented on it.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, yes it's not a problem
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: let ilya_shaikovsky investigate a bit, and on 8327 then the fix might be trivial?
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nbelaevski
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8347 affects Linux only
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pyaschenko
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balunasj: looking
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nbelaevski
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RF-8327
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jbossbot
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[RF-8327] Update BaseModifiableHibernateDataModel according to forum suggestions [Closed, Major, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8327
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, nbelaevski, if linux only uit would be faster for nick probably as he has virtual env
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: sorry Jay, 8327 or 8347>
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nbelaevski
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?
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: if that is the case nbelaevski might be able to take a quick look.
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: not sure what you mean?
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balunasj
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you mentioned 8327 ?
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nbelaevski
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just wanted to clarify on "<@balunasj> nbelaevski: let ilya_shaikovsky investigate a bit, and on 8327 then the fix might be trivial?"
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balunasj
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d'oh - you are right :-9
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ilya_shaikovsky
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nbelaevski, so Nick please check it under virtual machine..
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balunasj
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nbelaevski
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ok, np
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nbelaevski
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ilya_shaikovsky: ok
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ilya_shaikovsky
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nbelaevski, thanks
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balunasj
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and pyaschenko is going to look at the file upload a bit
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balunasj
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ok
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balunasj
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so hopefully we'll be ready for a QE build early next week
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balunasj
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prabhat: will that work for you?
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes..we will switch to 33X mode from 4.X
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balunasj
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ok thanks
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prabhat
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balunasj: hopefully with changeset not that big, it will be easy sail
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balunasj
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hopefully - there is not too many changes
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balunasj
 
taking a quick look at unscheduled
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balunasj
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RF-8521
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jbossbot
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[RF-8521] context menu doesn't show with rightclickselection in FF OS X [Open, Major, Unassigned] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-8521
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balunasj
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prabhat: ^ has you team done any os-x testing?
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prabhat
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balunasj: nope..we don't have that hardware
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prabhat
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balunasj: not at all in qe lab
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balunasj
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prabhat:
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balunasj
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ok I'll take a look
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prabhat
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balunasj: even for JBDS and others, it's left to people in team who have os-x
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balunasj
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ok
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prabhat
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balunasj: if you push my case, I will get a Mac as well
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balunasj
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prabhat: I'll see what I can do ( That has been discussed in QE for a long time )
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: other unscheduled we can review offline, but I don't see any that MUST be in this release
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: agree
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lfryc_afk
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balunasj: prabhat we have some Mac in the Lab...
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nbelaevski
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we have Mac too
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balunasj
 
brno office gets all the cool stuff
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prabhat
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lfryc_afk: that's news to me but good news
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prabhat
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lfryc_afk: do you have acceess?
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balunasj
 
they even have that cool bar with beer taps in the middle of the tables.....
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lfryc_afk
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prabhat: mac-mini.lab.xxx- MacOS X xxx, standard Mac Mini HW, ask xxx to get access there, both ssh and vnc configured
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prabhat
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balunasj: there you go..now we can do os-x and opera
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balunasj
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lfryc_afk: any updates or comments about JOPR ( its ok is no )
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balunasj
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prabhat: ok cool
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prabhat
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lfryc_afk: thanks..we will need to add that OS for 333 GA testing
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balunasj
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s/333 GA/333 F
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lfryc_afk
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balunasj: I pinged Shelly still without response
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lfryc_afk
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balunasj: but generically no updates
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balunasj
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ok - I would like the jopr QE team to take a look at that build at the very least
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balunasj
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lfryc_afk: if you need to cc me on the emails to them
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lfryc_afk
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balunasj: ok
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balunasj
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ok so lets move on to 4.0
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balunasj
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Last week we did not get to the JSF test updates that Nick and Alex worked on
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: and points or comments you would like to make on this?
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: same with you?
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nbelaevski
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I would like to thank reviewers for updates - nothing else for now
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alexsmirnov
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I did not make changes to test last week, but Nick did.
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balunasj
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It is important that as we are creating our components we are creating quality tests for them as well.  This makes it easier for others to modify the code, and helps community members provide patches with more confidence.
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balunasj
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I think this mock project will go along way in making that happen.
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nbelaevski
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Konstantin1 has already started using this
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nbelaevski
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abelevich will join him soon I think
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balunasj
 
at some point we need to get this into a the jboss testing area as a new project
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balunasj
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+1
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balunasj
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that is good
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balunasj
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next up is the test plan for 4.0
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balunasj
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http://community.jboss.org/wiki/Richfaces4testplan
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prabhat
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balunasj
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I have not had time today to review fully yet
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balunasj
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ilya and I did make some comments
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balunasj
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I think it is important for the senior team ( and others ) to review this
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balunasj
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Please add it to your TODO lists - but I don't think jira's are needed just to review it
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balunasj
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prabhat: any areas you have questions about, or would like us to pay specific attention too?
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prabhat
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balunasj: just wanted to make sure that I did not miss something critical
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prabhat
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balunasj: for browsers, I will add that in the list with lower priroity. Somehow that table got truncated in clearspace
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balunasj
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prabhat: also this is covering both test execution and automation plans correct?  Is there a way to break it out so that is more obvious?
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balunasj
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prabhat: ok np
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prabhat
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balunasj: in test plan, I can not put details of all testing framework (test-app, smartfrog)..those will be linked
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balunasj
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prabhat: sure
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prabhat
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balunasj: i have however mentioned that we plan to develop new test-app framework similar to 3.3.X
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prabhat
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and perf test using Grinder and/or Smartfrog
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balunasj
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next is docs and it is just a point to say that in tomorrows meeting we will discuss 3.3.3, but also 4.0 status and how we are going to break out 4.0 review
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balunasj
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prabhat: I was thinking that it might make sense to have it broken out where XXX are plans for test development, and XXX are requirements for test execution.
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balunasj
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they are really two different aspects of what your group does
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balunasj
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so the last point I made in a comment actually
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prabhat
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balunasj: ok..will make that differentiation in plan
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balunasj
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prabhat: thanks
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balunasj
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here is my comment from agenda
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balunasj
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Also want to discuss separate Jira projects for RF modules?  API/Impl, CDK, UI, etc...
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balunasj
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  - Seam is going to follow this for their modules
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balunasj
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  - Seam 3 modules are more independent
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balunasj
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  - Might make it easier to had minor point releases of modules
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balunasj
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  - Combined into single large RF releases ( but modules can have point releases in between ).
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balunasj
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The seam team has made a pretty strong argument for why they are doing this for their project.
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balunasj
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I can see some of the benefits of this for us, but our modules tend to be more coupled.
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balunasj
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although CDK, api, impl , and ui could be broken out if we think it is  agood idea
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balunasj
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any comments or thoughts?
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: Multiplication of JIRA projects requires some groupping already. It's hard sometimes to find RichFaces projects in drop-downs.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: agree - I hate that drop down
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balunasj
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if we ever thought of allowing point releases of modules separately then this makes sense
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alexsmirnov
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Also, our subprojects are close related. I prefer to use tags/components inside single project.
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prabhat
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balunasj: I think it will be too much overhead for RF
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ilya_shaikovsky
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one more point.. It seems that jira do not know that the same labeled versions in different projects are the same for all of them.. so search results also get messed
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: that is true I noticed that as well.
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12:02pm
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balunasj
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prabhat: true
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12:02pm
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balunasj
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The idea from the seam team is that
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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each module has its own owner
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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can release point releases on their own
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12:03pm
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balunasj
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get combined into full seam releases on the minor release .x.y.z ( on the y release )
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prabhat
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balunasj: yes, that's being done for some modules of portal as well but only for modules which can have point releases asynch to main portal release
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12:04pm
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balunasj
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this helps if nasty bugs are found in one - do not need to release all
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12:04pm
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balunasj
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prabhat: good to know
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12:05pm
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balunasj
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for RF I think I agree with with alexsmirnov our modules are closely related
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12:05pm
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balunasj
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So for now lets leave it as is
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12:05pm
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balunasj
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we can revisit at some point if it makes sense
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balunasj
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So are there any other comments, questions, or items that need to be brought up today?
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: I think we can postpone the idea of separate JIRA projects. We can back to it if we will need to release some subprojects separately.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: agree
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balunasj
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ok so if we are all set - thanks everyone.  Please let me know if items come up, or if you think you are falling behind on tasks/plans