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balunasj
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Hi all we'll get started in a minute or two - here is the agenda - http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda4-15-2010#cf
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ilya_shaikovsky
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hello all!
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nbelaevski
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hello all
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: FYI - markhel was looking for you r. the photoalbum
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alexsmirnov
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ok
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balunasj
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ok lets cover some community items while waiting
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balunasj
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Ilya created a new poll, and we've pushed it in the forums, and twitter
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balunasj
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hopefully we can get some good traffic
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: Yes, I see it.
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balunasj
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If it gets good traffic we'll have regular polls
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alexsmirnov
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Do you know, what was happening with Jbos.org yesterday ?
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balunasj
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you mean jira?
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alexsmirnov
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I had no access to www.jboss.org, JIRA, svn, and Maven repository for at most all day.
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balunasj
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really
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balunasj
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it seemed to be working ok for me
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alexsmirnov
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I tried to connect from home and office.
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balunasj
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anyone else see that?
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nbelaevski
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worked ok for me also
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: weird proxy setting maybe?
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balunasj
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not sure - although maybe we can blame the volcano in iceland
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abelevich
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)
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov, nbelaevski : do you know who is representing exadel on JSR-276?
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alexsmirnov
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There is yesterday Maven log:
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alexsmirnov
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Unable to get resource 'org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-compiler-plugin:pom:2.0.2.SP1' from repository repository.jboss.com (http://repository.jboss.org/maven2): Error transferring file: Connection timed out
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balunasj
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hmmm weird - looking at hudson builds for yesterday
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alexsmirnov
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The same error from home, with different provider and network configuration.
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: I don't know
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nbelaevski
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the last time I had problems with JBoss network, I've found out that my TTL is too small for the re-configured network
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: if you keep having it let me know and we'll figure it out with IT.
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nbelaevski
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have you tracerouted this?
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alexsmirnov
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Ok, that would be some routing problem in between.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: any ideas on JSR-276?
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: Everything restored back about 6PM PCT.
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balunasj
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We were ( pete, dan, lincoln ) were talking about this a little yesterday and wanted to figure out plan
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: ok
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj:  JSR-276 has been introduced by Oracle for their ADF components and design tools.
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alexsmirnov
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As I know, nobody uses it now.
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: right their metadata stuff - I was dormant for a while and dan said it started to get some action
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balunasj
 
guessing with oracle in there they want to start pushing their JSRs
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balunasj
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s/I/it
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balunasj
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ok - anyway - something to keep an eye on
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balunasj
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so back to the agenda
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balunasj
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First - Good job everyone involved on the 3.3.3.Final release
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balunasj
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I think we have had some good feedback, and so far <crossing-fingers> nothing major has come up.
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alexsmirnov
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balunasj: Really, we generate most of metadata by CDK. Our faces-config uses most of optional elements and put additional information to <extension> element.
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balunasj
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amarkhel: I know you spent a lot of time on the release instead of the new 4.0 stuff - so thank you, and I think it will be worth it
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amarkhel
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balunasj: no problem
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: thats true - our CDK is really our conduit for that stuff
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balunasj
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Also thanks to lfryc and pavol I think they did a good job testing it as well.
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balunasj
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So next I wanted to discussion closing out the release, and any post release tasks needed.
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balunasj
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https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RFPL-471
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jbossbot
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[RFPL-471] RichFaces 3.3.3.Final Release [Open, Blocker, Jay Balunas] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RFPL-471
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balunasj
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is the release jira and atm the last thing before we can resolve it is uploading photoalbum
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balunasj
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amarkhel and alexsmirnov : you guys will look at that today right?
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amarkhel
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yes
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balunasj
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ok great
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balunasj
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I'm also waiting on JSFCentral, and TSS for posting some articles.
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: is looking into JSFMatrix
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ilya_shaikovsky
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jsfmatrix was up today morning...
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ilya_shaikovsky
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but after a few minutes I spent there - it gone in down again
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alexsmirnov
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richfaces-demo was updated yesterday.
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balunasj
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I also make some updates on wikipedia ( and created some non release related jira's for future updates).
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov: yup - looks good
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yeah - it is not that stable, there was some talk of JSFCentral hosting it because I think it is just hosted by an individual
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ilya_shaikovsky
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ic..
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balunasj
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so it is not stable ( but I think it is used by a lot of people ).
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balunasj
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So once we wrap those up the release can be closed out I think.
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balunasj
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We have some post release tasks as well.
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balunasj
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obviously tracking forums for issues
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balunasj
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but also Ilya and I updating the downloads and docs.jboss.org repos and site yesterday
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balunasj
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so that is not following the new structure
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balunasj
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One fairly big task I think is a jira review since 3.3.X is closed now
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balunasj
 
the jira review will also help with internal release....
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balunasj
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alexsmirnov, nbelaevski , ilya_shaikovsky : how do you want to break that task up?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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  Future1122 issue
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balunasj
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yup
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balunasj
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perhaps break it up by date?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and we need probably to concentrate on bugs only
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balunasj
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or severivity/component
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ilya_shaikovsky
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this will be most needed for internal release
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: true
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and review RFCs and tasks at per component basics during moval the component to 4.x
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: yeah - I think thoughts on what to do with the jira are:
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balunasj
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1) are they applicable to 4.0?
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balunasj
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1.1) if they will be handled by 4.0 we can either add fix for version, or probably better to add a label until we know when it will be completed
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balunasj
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2) Are they out of date?
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balunasj
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3) Issues are are really never going to fix we should resolve that way
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balunasj
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3.1.) although if it is a true bug, and might be resolved in future we should leave it.
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balunasj
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sound good? thoughts?
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nbelaevski
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group issues according to components migration plan
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alexsmirnov
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yes, it seems reasonable
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ilya_shaikovsky
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agree.. looks good
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: you mean for issues that applicable to 4.0?
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nbelaevski
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we can group either for initial review, or for applicable issues only
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nbelaevski
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this is to shorten review time
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: what might make that tough is the 584 issues without components
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nbelaevski
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balunasj: agree
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nbelaevski
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anyway, we should do it
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ilya_shaikovsky
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as about real bugs and not RFC's/Tasks review I think we should review considering severity and votes as first criteria
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balunasj
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nbelaevski: agree - lets shelve this for now, we'll discuss how to break up review offline.
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: true votes are important, as are severity - Although we know both are a little fishy at times
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balunasj
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i.e everyone from a company voting for an issues, or someone setting a minor to a critical.  So don't be worried about adjusting severity if needed
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balunasj
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prabhatjha: are there any tasks that QE has to close out 3.3.X community?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure but no votes for issue (even from the same company guys or low severity set by us initially - talks about itself
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: agree
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prabhatjha
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balunasj: close out meaning?
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balunasj
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wrap up tasks for automated tests, plans, etc... So that you and your guys can be done with 3.3.X community?
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prabhatjha
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balunasj: we are already done
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balunasj
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prabhatjha: perfect
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balunasj
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ok
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balunasj
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so this leads into the maven repo updates at jboss
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balunasj
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it should not effect us too much, but we will have some updates
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balunasj
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I heard back from Paul on the changes and he is going to have a complete doc posted once the maven repos are up.
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balunasj
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so we'll need to update the wiki page describing maven usage ( but it should just be URLs )
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balunasj
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btw - I'm referring to https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RFPL-519
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jbossbot
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[RFPL-519] Review impact of jboss maven repo changes for the 3.3.3.F releases and future releases [Open, Critical, Andrey Markhel] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RFPL-519
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balunasj
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Also any repo setting in pom.xml will need to be updated.
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balunasj
 
I glad we got the release out before this change
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prabhatjha
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jbossbot: with the migration postponed to this weekend, i don't think there is any impact
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prabhatjha
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right?
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balunasj
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right - no impact on the release
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balunasj
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but it will impact users wanting to use it - although I'm not sure how long the old repo urls will be active
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balunasj
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plus we'll need to make any repo updates to 3.3.X branches, and 4.0.X
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balunasj
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it will also effect release process
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balunasj
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so we'll just need to be ready next Monday/Tuesday incase there are issues
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balunasj
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but basically we are in a holding pattern with it until the changes are made and the new doc on impact is posted
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balunasj
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Note - I'm happy for the change - the new repo management will make things better in the long run, but there is going to be an impact in the short term.
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balunasj
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any questions, or concerns on this for now?
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balunasj
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ok
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balunasj
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any other questions, comments on 3.3.x?
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balunasj
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ok
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balunasj
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lets move on to 4.0 quick
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balunasj
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except for the items discussed above we should all be focused on 4.0
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balunasj
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abelevich Konstantin1 : do think there is enough completed with the tables for you guys write up a blog/wiki article about them?
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balunasj
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how much effort would that be for you?
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abelevich
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about new features?
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balunasj
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yup, but also just showing what we have in 4.0.
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balunasj
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perhaps with a small example?
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, probably I would take it as in any case need to add samples to component-showcase
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abelevich
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sounds good ... I think we could do with ilay's help
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: if it is something that abelevich and/or Konstantin1 was interested in I would like them to be involved too.
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balunasj
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abelevich: good - I think it is important to the team to post items like this
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: could you create the RFPL for this?
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abelevich
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agree
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ilya_shaikovsky
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sure
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balunasj
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ok a quick note on the assembler
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balunasj
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we are going to meet on the status and plans for the assembler this afternoon
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balunasj
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I have not had time to make the progress that I think is needed.
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balunasj
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so we are going to figure out what can be done for A2, and how we can make it happen.
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balunasj
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that was all I really had on the agenda.
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balunasj
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is there any open questions, comments, concerns...
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balunasj
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?
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balunasj
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otherwise we can break as our hour is up
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ilya_shaikovsky
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minor point
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I think that blog articles should be posted after we will maintain snapshots builds... in order to make the users to try them more easy
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ilya_shaikovsky
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b.t.w. https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RFPL-525
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jbossbot
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[RFPL-525] announce new tables features at blogs and make small exetrnal sample [Open, Major, Ilya Shaikovsky] http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RFPL-525
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: I think that is a good point
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ilya_shaikovsky
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and one more..
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balunasj
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so I think it can be prepped, but we'll wait to post it, until we can get some snapshots up and ready.
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ilya_shaikovsky
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I saw Pavol or Lukas created application archetype.. do we planning to include it to A2? Maybe I could use it in some articles
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ilya_shaikovsky
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balunasj, sounds good
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balunasj
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ilya_shaikovsky: unknown at this point, but they will be included at some point.
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balunasj
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we discussed an archetype module to all general ones
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balunasj
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it is not there, but discussed
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balunasj
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anything else for now?