[17:59:24] <nbelaevski> hello all
[17:59:35] <nbelaevski> we'll get started in a minute
[18:01:21] <nbelaevski> here is our agenda for today: http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda11-16-2010
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[18:03:49] <nbelaevski> so, we are expecting to complete M4 release preparation later today
[18:04:17] <nbelaevski> thanks all for your efforts!
[18:04:50] <nbelaevski> and, as usual, we need to discuss M4 iteration: what worked well, what didn't, so we are going to have post-mortem meeting the next week
[18:05:34] <nbelaevski> please share your thoughts in forum post as usual
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[18:05:59] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: hi Alex
[18:06:02] <alexsmirnov> hi all!
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[18:06:50] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: hi Prabhat
[18:07:02] <ppitonak> hi all
[18:07:12] <nbelaevski> ok, let's move on
[18:07:19] <prabhaat> hello
[18:07:48] <nbelaevski> the next agenda point is M5 release 
[18:08:09] <nbelaevski> first of all, we are going to complete M5 migration discussions this week 
[18:08:26] <nbelaevski> this covers fileUpload, tree additional features & DnD
[18:08:41] <nbelaevski> next goes dev. status
[18:09:10] <nbelaevski> so, the usual question to devs.: are you on track, any issues/concerns/etc?
[18:09:39] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: abelevich: amarkhel: Konstantin1: ^
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[18:10:24] <nbelaevski> ishaikovsky: hi Ilya
[18:10:28] <ishaikovsky> hello all!
[18:10:38] <ishaikovsky> sorry for being late
[18:10:40] <abelevich> How long is M5 iteration?
[18:11:20] <nbelaevski> abelevich: one month as usual
[18:15:01] <nbelaevski> component code freeze is to happen as usual, two weeks before release
[18:15:16] <abelevich> so we  have 2 weeks )?
[18:15:28] <nbelaevski> until component code freeze - yes 
[18:15:32] <abelevich> ok ic
[18:15:47] <nbelaevski> so, any issues?
[18:16:27] <nbelaevski> ok, I guess none
[18:16:33] <abelevich> RF-9505
[18:16:34] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9505] tables refactoring: rename subtable [Open, Major, Anton Belevich] https://jira.jboss.org/browse/RF-9505
[18:17:08] <nbelaevski> abelevich: ok, what's the problem with it? lack of time?
[18:17:22] <abelevich> yup
[18:18:37] <nbelaevski> abelevich: I think it's ok to do this in bug fixing phase, just if we do that early (the first thing)
[18:19:01] <abelevich> ok
[18:20:05] <nbelaevski> next question is about CDK & core features
[18:20:36] <nbelaevski> are there any missing/broken features there that are blocking the work?
[18:21:12] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: we've reviewed unscheduled issues with Jay yesterday and decided to put some of the to M5
[18:21:30] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: all seem like important, so timing is the concern
[18:21:54] <alexsmirnov> nbelaevski: I saw changes in JIRA
[18:22:32] <nbelaevski> also we have https://jira.jboss.org/browse/RF-9323 that blocks panel components' migration to CDK
[18:22:33] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9323] CDK annotation @RendererSpecificComponent.attributes doesn't work [Open, Critical, Alexander Smirnov] https://jira.jboss.org/browse/RF-9323
[18:23:10] nbelaevski added RF-9323 to M5
[18:23:11] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9323] CDK annotation @RendererSpecificComponent.attributes doesn't work [Open, Critical, Alexander Smirnov] https://jira.jboss.org/browse/RF-9323
[18:23:43] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: one more thing that would be good to have is the ability to demarcate methods in generated renderers
[18:23:59] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: but that looks like a huge feature not fitting into our plans
[18:24:33] <alexsmirnov> nbelaevski: I'm going to fix CDK issues after CSV/Messages components.
[18:25:52] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: can we have at least RF-9323 fixed early? that's to let Alex K. proceed with panels CDK migration  
[18:25:53] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9323] CDK annotation @RendererSpecificComponent.attributes doesn't work [Open, Critical, Alexander Smirnov] https://jira.jboss.org/browse/RF-9323
[18:27:17] <alexsmirnov> Ok.
[18:27:58] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: great, thanks!
[18:28:23] <nbelaevski> ishaikovsky: abelevich: amarkhel: Konstantin1: anything else about CDK/core
[18:28:30] <nbelaevski> ?
[18:29:37] <nbelaevski> ok, seems none
[18:30:03] <nbelaevski> next in M5 points goes the point about M4-carried-over components
[18:30:13] <nbelaevski> these are panelMenu & fileUpload
[18:31:20] <nbelaevski> it would be good if we deliver these components prior to code freeze to get QE extra preparation time
[18:32:17] <nbelaevski> for panelMenu: Alex K. is not in today, but I can say that I am expecting panel menu the week after the next one
[18:33:07] <nbelaevski> for fileUpload: Konstantin1: what are current estimates? will we be able to deliver fileUpload earlier or no?
[18:39:04] <Konstantin1> Tomorrow we will discuss scope for version related with fileUpload and then I will be able to answer on this question.
[18:39:13] <nbelaevski> Konstantin1: ok I see
[18:39:30] <nbelaevski> that's all with M5 points
[18:39:45] <nbelaevski> the next goes showcase app hosting at GAE
[18:40:21] <nbelaevski> we need to make sure it's stable and allows production load
[18:40:56] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: we were talking about one more round of testing, now with $$$ quota
[18:41:36] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: can you please do this testing?
[18:41:37] <prabhaat> nbelaevski, we already have the data
[18:42:07] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: ok, so what's the conclusion?
[18:42:47] <ishaikovsky> nbelaevski, I believe we should start not from that
[18:43:06] <nbelaevski> ishaikovsky: ok, WDYT?
[18:43:10] <ishaikovsky> Jay asked us to ask Prabhat to perform one more round of functional testing after M4 release
[18:43:22] <ishaikovsky> in order to check that it works fine in general
[18:43:33] <nbelaevski> yes, and check with $$$ quota
[18:44:19] <ishaikovsky> then we will put to account with some $$$ and check how much time need to break the quota
[18:44:28] <ishaikovsky> and then only - make it live public
[18:44:44] <nbelaevski> right
[18:45:13] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: we have upgraded JSF version - resources consumption may have changed
[18:45:35] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: either as functionality should be checked
[18:45:43] <alexsmirnov> ishaikovsky: Because Google charges for CPU usage, It becomes importatnt to check performance to avoid unnecessary bottleneck.
[18:46:16] <nbelaevski> alexsmirnov: yes, CPU consumption + data storage usage 
[18:46:22] <alexsmirnov> prabhaat: Can you collect and publish profile data ?
[18:46:26] <prabhaat> nbelaevski,  ishaikovsky  I can fire up test again
[18:46:42] <ishaikovsky> prabhaat, lets perform functional teting from the beginning
[18:46:52] <ishaikovsky> maybe something from func side will prevent us to make it live
[18:47:02] <nbelaevski> ishaikovsky: can be
[18:47:16] <prabhaat> AlexBc, nbelaevski  ishaikovsky  but IMO worrying about perf on GAE side is not critical at this stage
[18:47:27] <alexsmirnov> prabhaat: We have told about performance test, but developers need a deeper look, not just 'request time' reports.
[18:48:05] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: it will be bad if we burn down all the quota very fast
[18:48:19] <prabhaat> alexsmirnov, do you not have access to gae admin console?
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[18:48:46] <alexsmirnov> prabhaat: Yes, I do.
[18:49:19] <prabhaat> alexsmirnov, so I will do is I will fireup test when you all are available and you can see the load when tests are running
[18:49:22] <prabhaat> sounds good?
[18:50:26] <ishaikovsky> prabhaat, but let's start from smoke test of demo itself
[18:50:31] <ishaikovsky> nbelaevski, ^?
[18:50:39] <nbelaevski> ishaikovsky: yes
[18:51:37] <prabhaat> ishaikovsky, smoke test was done pre M4..I would have to do post m4 too
[18:51:45] <prabhaat> ishaikovsky, is M4 showcase already there?
[18:52:14] <ishaikovsky> you made it at GAE?
[18:52:46] <ishaikovsky> ok.. anyway in order to be on the same page - let's deploy demo from tag and check that it ok
[18:52:54] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: I see M3 is there
[18:53:05] <prabhaat> ishaikovsky, i have not uploaded showcase to GAE in the past. So pls do that for me and I will do smoke test
[18:53:56] <ishaikovsky> prabhaat, ok sounds good
[18:54:01] <ishaikovsky> I will do tommorow
[18:54:12] <ishaikovsky> and write RFPL in order to rack problems
[18:54:19] <ishaikovsky> and items to do additionally if need
[18:54:22] <prabhaat> ishaikovsky, you know the drill..create a jira for me :)
[18:54:48] <ishaikovsky> sure
[18:56:07] <nbelaevski> good, that was the last point to discuss for today
[18:56:12] <nbelaevski> thanks everybody!
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[18:56:58] <Marauder> sorry guys :) my sun decided that it's enough work and hibernated laptop :)
[18:57:01] <Marauder> son
[18:57:03] <Marauder> *
[18:57:04] <Marauder> :)
[18:57:35] <prabhaat> good son :)
[18:59:12] <prabhaat> nbelaevski, so only action item for me is to work on showcase on GAE right?
[18:59:34] <nbelaevski> yes
[18:59:57] <prabhaat> nbelaevski, i will wait for jira from Ilya
[19:00:07] <nbelaevski> prabhaat: sure
[19:01:48] <Marauder> https://jira.jboss.org/browse/RFPL-924
[19:01:48] <jbossbot> jira [RFPL-924] Make richfaces-showcase live at GAE [Open, Major, Ilya Shaikovsky] https://jira.jboss.org/browse/RFPL-924
[19:01:51] <Marauder> general task
[19:02:06] <Marauder> I will handle upload and re-assing first subtask to Prabhat
[19:02:10] <Marauder> second is for me
[19:02:22] <Marauder> and if will remember something additionally will add to that umbrella issue