[18:03:20] <@balunasj_mtg> M5 is almost out - meeting will be a couple minutes late
[18:03:35] <@balunasj_mtg> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/RichFaces400Milestone5Released
[18:04:53] <@balunasj_mtg> ok guys - Here is the agenda for today http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda1-11-11
[18:05:31] <@balunasj_mtg> need 3 more min - sorry
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[18:07:46] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - I'm back
[18:07:52] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: hi Jay
[18:07:57] <@balunasj_mtg> So here is agenda http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda1-11-11
[18:08:14] <@balunasj_mtg> First up - M5 is released!!! http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/RichFaces400Milestone5Released
[18:08:28] <@balunasj_mtg> This is a big one because it is the last of the MileStone releases!!
[18:08:39] <@balunasj_mtg> Good job all, on getting that out!
[18:09:48] <@balunasj_mtg> As usual we'll just keep an eye out for any issues, and
[18:09:55] <@balunasj_mtg> keep trucking for CR1!
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[18:10:32] <@balunasj_mtg> So here is my question:  How to handle the post mortem
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[18:10:58] <@balunasj_mtg> The first thing I wanted to ask is if people think it is needed now.
[18:11:14] <@balunasj_mtg> My concern there is that now we're in CR - with rapid releases.
[18:11:39] <@balunasj_mtg> We'll have little time I think make adjustements - although I think it is always good to get feedback.
[18:11:57] <@balunasj_mtg> I wanted to get some thoughts from others?
[18:12:16] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: alexsmirnov ilya_shaikovsky prabhaat etc...
[18:12:26] <@balunasj_mtg> Or do we try a forum based post-mortem
[18:13:07] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, in terms of process, I think we finally have got it right
[18:13:42] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, still a lot of work on definition of "readiness" of component before lfryc  and ppitonak  start working on them
[18:14:34] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: I think forum-based should be fine to make some slight adjustments (if necessary)
[18:14:52] <ilya_shaikovsky> I believe in current state (working on CRs) we have no need in post-morterm and could just rise some proposals at forum email if need
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[18:15:04] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: good feedback - but what are your thoughts for post-mortem ?
[18:15:23] <prabhaat> ilya_shaikovsky, nbelaevski  balunasj_mtg  no need for post mortem now ..let's do that post GA
[18:16:22] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - so how about this.  I'll post a forum topic - those who have feedback can add it.  We'll do what we can with it, but save a full PM for after GA
[18:16:33] <@balunasj_mtg> sound ok?
[18:18:11] <prabhaat> sure
[18:18:33] <@balunasj_mtg> ok
[18:19:08] <@balunasj_mtg> so a quick note on community activity
[18:19:41] <@balunasj_mtg> A user from columbia ( I believe ) has posted a CDK guide for 3.3. on the forums.  Just thought this was neat, and worth noting
[18:20:14] <@balunasj_mtg> It is in spanish, but we also have  a large user base in south america, so I'm very happy to see it :-)
[18:20:48] <@balunasj_mtg> Also, I wanted to talk about the growl component from Bernard - I REALLY wish we could get it in 4.0, but I'm not sure how we can fit it in.
[18:20:51] <alexsmirnov> nice to see it...
[18:21:11] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: yup
[18:21:56] <@balunasj_mtg> Time is tight already.  So I guess what I'm wondering is if anyone has any ideas or thoughts on how to handle it.  Post 4.0 sandbox component jar?
[18:22:08] <@balunasj_mtg> integrate post 4.0
[18:22:18] <@balunasj_mtg> somehow squeeze it in
[18:22:20] <@balunasj_mtg> etc...?
[18:22:32] <nbelaevski> squeeze it in
[18:22:54] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: imho post 4.0... unless it needs attention from QE
[18:23:11] <ilya_shaikovsky> I think we could include but as separate module..
[18:23:37] <@balunasj_mtg> "unless it needs attention from QE" ?
[18:23:59] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: we won't have time to test yet another component
[18:24:21] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: I see - no unless it does not need QE
[18:24:24] <lfryc> *unless it don't need attention of QE.. we need to cover that components in Metamer
[18:24:53] <@balunasj_mtg> If we include it, I would like to see at least partial testing of it by QE
[18:25:33] <lfryc> balunasj_mtg: I think it is quite a late for such suggestions
[18:25:45] <lfryc> balunasj_mtg: in such case we need to thought about shifting CR1
[18:25:55] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: CR is for bug fixing
[18:26:11] <@balunasj_mtg> lfryc: agree, it is late
[18:26:37] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: perhaps the separate module idea is good one
[18:26:49] <nbelaevski> ppitonak: there are several components, not a single one
[18:28:18] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - I do think it is too late to add to full project.
[18:28:50] <@balunasj_mtg> If we get it in, it will need to be something like a sandbox component module
[18:29:08] <@balunasj_mtg> which - push comes to shove could be after 4.0 if needed.
[18:30:05] <alexsmirnov> balunasj: we can put it into 'ui' projects, but don't include into main library distribution.
[18:30:14] <alexsmirnov> Just as optional module
[18:30:28] <ilya_shaikovsky> agree.
[18:30:30] <lfryc> balunasj_mtg: I think this module is good to introduce the components from community (give them attention of community) but still avoiding messing up main modules
[18:31:35] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: hmm, I like that idea as well, it is like a post-sandbox module - somewhere between sandbox and full integration.
[18:31:46] <ilya_shaikovsky> anyway if the new components from community will require new client dependencies(prototype, Yahoo and so on).. I think we might want to keep them as separate modules anyway.. because how we will make something like "ALL" resources loading for that staff later? It will became as for 3.3.x
[18:31:48] <@balunasj_mtg> lfryc: agree - that is why I really wanted to figure out how to get it in.
[18:32:06] prabhaat needs to send details of current status of components in Metamer
[18:32:40] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: agree - that is one concern with having it part of main build and one reason sandbox modules should be separate.
[18:32:51] <alexsmirnov> ilya: 'ALL" resources can be prepared by resource plugin for user project
[18:33:19] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: if they are ever integrated with full build ( fully integrated ), then they are part of the main project.
[18:34:11] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: if wiki page up to date?
[18:34:41] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, yes that is up to date
[18:34:55] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, what i meant is that progress of that wiki wrt remaining time until GA
[18:35:39] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: yup - ok
[18:36:14] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: ilya_shaikovsky alexsmirnov : so lets think about how to add to project as a separate module, or build.
[18:36:31] <@balunasj_mtg> QE not required
[18:37:02] <@balunasj_mtg> it will be a sandbox module
[18:37:45] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - lets move on though
[18:37:54] <alexsmirnov> 'sandbox' means unstable, development code. I prefer something like 'richfaces-community' or something like it.
[18:37:57] <@balunasj_mtg> the truth is that just comes down to time.
[18:38:20] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: that make community separate - but agree we need a different name than sandbox
[18:38:44] <@balunasj_mtg> have to come up with some cool - whats after a sandcastle ;-)
[18:39:08] <@balunasj_mtg> but naming is for later - We'll need to talk about CR1 status - so this meeting does not last forever :-)
[18:39:31] <@balunasj_mtg> any other thoughts on this before we move on?
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[18:40:57] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - so on to CR1
[18:41:19] <@balunasj_mtg> Lets talk about dev status, and some items there
[18:41:45] <@balunasj_mtg> First up is panel components
[18:42:20] <@balunasj_mtg> Alex_Kolonitsky: how is the CDK migration going?
[18:43:21] <Alex_Kolonitsky> I haven't started it yet
[18:43:29] <@balunasj_mtg> Alex_Kolonitsky: Also there seems to be a lot of base functionality and related issues.  Wanted to see where the issues might be here.
[18:43:45] <@balunasj_mtg> Alex_Kolonitsky: ok - what are your plans for it?
[18:44:57] <Alex_Kolonitsky> I am going migrate to CDK this week
[18:45:31] <@balunasj_mtg> Alex_Kolonitsky: ok great - now that the CDK issue is resolved - do you see any other issues with migrating?
[18:45:47] <Alex_Kolonitsky> no
[18:45:50] <alexsmirnov> Allex_Kolonitsky: create JIRA issues if you have any problem - I'going through them right now
[18:46:32] <Alex_Kolonitsky> ok
[18:46:56] <@balunasj_mtg> Alex_Kolonitsky: hopefully after the CDK migration - the various issues with tag lib ( and that pn.tag... ) can be resolved
[18:47:30] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: will be pn.faces-config.xml removed after migration?
[18:47:37] <ppitonak> alexsmirnov: ^
[18:48:02] balunasj_mtg I certainly hope so
[18:48:48] <alexsmirnov> what is pn.faces-config.xml ? CDK doesn't generate anything like that.
[18:49:08] <ppitonak> alexsmirnov: I have no idea... it is in ui jar
[18:49:08] <nbelaevski> Alex_Kolonitsky: what about these base functionality issues? did you have a chance to review them?
[18:49:25] <nbelaevski> ppitonak: alexsmirnov: it's manually-coded file
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[18:50:09] <Alex_Kolonitsky> I am going to review them after migration to CDK
[18:50:15] <nbelaevski> Alex_Kolonitsky: ok
[18:50:34] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: : because the panels were not in CDK - it needed its own file
[18:50:51] <@balunasj_mtg> Alex_Kolonitsky: How long do you think CDK migration will take?
[18:51:43] <Alex_Kolonitsky> 1-3 days
[18:52:10] <@balunasj_mtg> Alex_Kolonitsky: ok - please let us know if there are issues and we can revist at staff meeting
[18:52:25] <Alex_Kolonitsky> ok
[18:53:09] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: I wanted to finalze thoughts on object validation.  I know you said is it close.  But with CSV being the priority, and other issues I'm not sure it is
[18:53:46] <@balunasj_mtg> worth getting in atm.  i.e. no idea how much is needed for it + docs + QE
[18:55:52] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: thoughts?
[18:57:31] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: btw - the comment on myfaces was really just a note.  I'm assuming you'll work on this.  and you were on the emails with MyFaces. :-)
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[18:59:02] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: already resolved three latest MyFaces issues
[18:59:21] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: these that were found by QE
[18:59:51] <@balunasj_mtg> lfryc: I have not had time to review the collapsible sub-table emails - that is why I added to agenda.  Is there more to bring up, or are you fine with the response from ilya_shaikovsky ?
[18:59:54] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: awesome!
[19:00:29] <lfryc> balunasj_mtg: I'm fine with that, I found some other issues I need to report
[19:00:47] <lfryc> balunasj_mtg: but initial QA sample preparation is done
[19:01:11] <@balunasj_mtg> lfryc: ok great
[19:01:15] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: one was bug in Metamer, another - bug in MyFaces, plus one already known
[19:01:46] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: can you please create JBAS issue for MyFaces upgrade?
[19:02:46] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: yup - it is not my todo for today - just been non-stop
[19:02:52] <@balunasj_mtg> since yesterday
[19:03:10] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: ok I see
[19:03:45] <@balunasj_mtg> The jira is not critical for you to have right now correct?  I'll get done today - but want to make sure we are seeing same priority :-)
[19:03:58] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: right, it's not critical
[19:04:31] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: is going to be leading a client side api review - this is also just a note - looking for consistent methods and behavior
[19:05:06] <@balunasj_mtg> also showcase example design thread is active on dev list - would like people to comment, or review if they have time
[19:05:13] <@balunasj_mtg> http://community.jboss.org/thread/160753
[19:05:23] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: ping ^ on object validation
[19:06:34] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: I wanted to make sure to get to you today as well - to see if you had any pressing questions, concerns, or plans you wanted to discuss in meeting?
[19:08:03] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, nothing pressing today given that we are done with M5 but we need to synch up on what we can do by GA date besides metamer
[19:08:38] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: ok great
[19:08:59] <@balunasj_mtg> I guess I'll need to catch up with alexsmirnov later.
[19:09:15] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: might as well wait for later r. the schema questions as well
[19:09:26] <@balunasj_mtg> anyone have anything else before we break the meeting?
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[19:10:06] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: what about documentation in taglib
[19:10:16] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: atm only few attributes are documented
[19:10:47] <nbelaevski> also we need to get HTML documentation built
[19:10:55] <alexsmirnov> balunasj: I thought that we discussed validators yesterday. They have implemented ( and tested ) base, and rest of work ( visible part ) requires a little work.
[19:11:49] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: I'm talking about object validation, not CSV
[19:11:53] <ilya_shaikovsky> I sent letter to Nick and Alex about schemas and docs in order not to spend time.
[19:12:07] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: Last I heard from you - I believe you said it was mostly ready, but you needed to test it
[19:12:20] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: I'm just not sure we have the time to really get it in.
[19:12:53] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: That is something we are working on for CR1, and will try to continue for CR2.
[19:13:03] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: meaning the javadoc, tld doc, etc... ?
[19:17:37] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: VDL doc
[19:18:37] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: ok - we'll have to discuss offline more about that - I'm running out of time for now :-(
[19:18:50] <@balunasj_mtg> perhaps later today, or tomorrow - does that work for you?
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[19:18:50] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: ok - Ilya just sent a letter
[19:18:55] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: sure
[19:19:40] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - I've got to go - If there is anything else please post it, or email it
[19:19:44] <@balunasj_mtg> Thanks all!