[17:58:58] <@balunasj_mtg> Hi All - we'll get started in just a minute
[17:59:04] <@balunasj_mtg> Here is the agenda for today http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda1-18-2011
[17:59:20] <ilya_shaikovsky> Hi Jay!
[17:59:25] <ilya_shaikovsky> Hello all!
[17:59:40] <artdaw> hi all
[18:00:58] <prabhaat> hello
[18:01:02] <@balunasj_mtg> Hi guys
[18:01:09] <@balunasj_mtg> We have a lot to get through so lets get started.
[18:01:25] <@balunasj_mtg> First M5 wrap up
[18:01:27] <alexsmirnov> hi
[18:01:35] <@balunasj_mtg> Posted post-mortem thread http://community.jboss.org/message/581503#581503
[18:01:47] <@balunasj_mtg> Some people already commented, and I plan to before staff meeting.
[18:01:55] <@balunasj_mtg> Please take a look and comment.
[18:02:59] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: The second item for M5 - is a user is reporting issues with showcase on AS 6 Final - thought you might want to take a look
[18:03:06] <@balunasj_mtg> http://community.jboss.org/message/581507#581507
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[18:03:30] <@balunasj_mtg> We tested that heavily - so surprised - I'm guessing just missed something
[18:03:37] <@balunasj_mtg> the user I mean
[18:03:47] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, yes, i saw that and I did not have any problem deploying showcase on AS6 during M5
[18:04:06] <prabhaat> but I used the .war that was prepped by Hudson so it could be some env issue on his side
[18:04:33] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: ok - perhaps you, lukas, or pavol reply, and maybe help out the user figure out what is wrong?
[18:04:46] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, right
[18:04:57] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: thanks
[18:05:01] <prabhaat> np
[18:05:02] <@balunasj_mtg> ok so onto CR1
[18:05:10] <@balunasj_mtg> Code freeze this Friday - end of day
[18:05:45] <@balunasj_mtg> Just because there has been some confusion about what this mean in the past - it means that sometime over the weekend we'll tag, and stage.
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[18:06:14] <@balunasj_mtg> So you have long as you wish on Friday to wrap up CR1 items.
[18:07:27] <@balunasj_mtg> That way QE can get started first think Monday their time on the release
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[18:08:29] <@balunasj_mtg> We have some specific items to discuss, but wanted to give time for anyone to bring up Jira issues that need discussions.
[18:08:39] <@balunasj_mtg> or big items that might need to shift and we should discuss.
[18:09:36] <@balunasj_mtg> So if there is anything please bring up now?
[18:10:10] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: RF-9309
[18:10:12] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9309] Move panels to CDK [Resolved, Critical, Alex Kolonitsky] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9309
[18:10:25] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: are all panels influenced?
[18:10:40] balunasj_mtg I hope so
[18:10:40] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: panel. collapsible panel, toggle panel, accordion, popup panel?
[18:10:50] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: did I miss something?
[18:10:54] <nbelaevski> ppitonak: balunasj_mtg: all except rich:panel & rich:popupPanel
[18:11:05] <ppitonak> nbelaevski: ok
[18:11:20] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: because they were already in CDK?  i.e. can we get rid of the special config?
[18:11:20] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, besides that there are other jira which lfryc  and ppitonak  reported in last 2 weeks that need to be fixed for CR as well I think
[18:11:31] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: yes, they already used CDK
[18:12:10] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: nbelaevski pray that it won't fail tests :)
[18:12:44] <nbelaevski> ppitonak: which tests?
[18:13:11] <ppitonak> nbelaevski: our Selenium tests for panels
[18:13:11] <abelevich> RF-9661 is done and the affected functionality should be tested carefully
[18:13:13] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9661] Components attributes defaults are not used when bound to managed bean property by EL, even if the managed bean property is null [Open, Major, Nick Belaevski] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9661
[18:13:40] <nbelaevski> ppitonak: ok I see
[18:13:53] <nbelaevski> ppitonak: soome could fail - please report and will fix
[18:14:41] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: I'm assuming he can test this already - ppitonak - you don't need to wait for tag do you ?
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[18:15:41] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: I will know more in the morning
[18:15:57] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: trunk was not compilable recently
[18:16:14] <nbelaevski> btw with RF-9661 now resolved, I expect  better results for tests on MyFaces
[18:16:15] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9661] Components attributes defaults are not used when bound to managed bean property by EL, even if the managed bean property is null [Open, Major, Nick Belaevski] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9661
[18:16:24] <@balunasj_mtg> abelevich: thanks for bringing that up - have you posted what QE should be careful teasting there?
[18:16:59] <lfryc> nbelaevski: @MyFaces - great, we will report once we will have ftest results
[18:17:09] <nbelaevski> lfryc: cool - thanks
[18:17:33] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: all affected attributes
[18:18:03] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: this is a big amount of changes - so some side effects are possible
[18:18:34] <nbelaevski> abelevich: ^
[18:18:38] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: ok good - always good to post when QE should focus on something
[18:20:42] <@balunasj_mtg> Any other jira's to discuss as a team?
[18:20:57] balunasj_mtg we'll also review unscheduled items today 
[18:22:31] <nbelaevski> RF-9085
[18:22:32] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9085] Absent elements for rich:dataTable when @first == # of elements [Resolved, Major, Anton Belevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9085
[18:22:40] <nbelaevski> sorry, RF-9805
[18:22:41] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9805] rich:extendedDataTable - overflows table area in IE7 [Open, Major, Anton Belevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9805
[18:23:30] <nbelaevski> discussed this with Konstantin2
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[18:23:50] <nbelaevski> he said that some markup redesign for selects is necessary 
[18:23:59] <nbelaevski> ~1 week of efforts
[18:24:08] <nbelaevski> Konstantin2: ^
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[18:24:58] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: that would most likely slip to CR2 then.
[18:25:06] <nbelaevski> there's workaround I think, but it can have side effects
[18:25:18] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: ok - good, for CR2
[18:26:37] <@balunasj_mtg> yup - I would rather have it done right in CR2
[18:27:27] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: ok, updated the issue
[18:27:54] <@balunasj_mtg> great - anything else before moving onto other items in agenda?
[18:30:32] <@balunasj_mtg> ok
[18:30:40] <@balunasj_mtg> thanks for bringing those up.
[18:31:28] <@balunasj_mtg> so next up
[18:31:46] <@balunasj_mtg> partial update syntax - http://community.jboss.org/message/581316#581316
[18:32:01] <@balunasj_mtg> from the latest posts it sounds like we are ok on this.  nbelaevski anything open items lefT?
[18:32:19] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: no
[18:33:07] <@balunasj_mtg> ok great
[18:33:15] <@balunasj_mtg> next up is showcase design
[18:33:16] <@balunasj_mtg> http://community.jboss.org/message/580265#580265
[18:33:28] <@balunasj_mtg> ochikvina: I really like the updates you made
[18:33:41] <@balunasj_mtg> I would like to finalize now, so we can get going on integration.
[18:34:05] <ochikvina> yes, I'm going to start with prototyping
[18:34:25] <@balunasj_mtg> some open items from forums
[18:35:25] <ochikvina> some additional staff (icons, etc.) can be added later
[18:35:36] <@balunasj_mtg> yup - Icons are later
[18:35:43] <@balunasj_mtg> wanted to make sure about skins
[18:36:01] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: my thought was to just skin the components in the main display section
[18:36:21] <@balunasj_mtg> the outer application would not change.
[18:36:22] <ochikvina> I agree
[18:36:30] <ilya_shaikovsky> as it was in 3.3
[18:36:35] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: does that sound good?
[18:36:37] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: yup
[18:36:40] <ilya_shaikovsky> agree at least while have no themes
[18:36:43] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: or did you mean something else?
[18:36:46] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: I need to look at this to answer
[18:37:14] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: want to make sure this approach will look fine with the current design
[18:37:33] <@balunasj_mtg> Here is latest image http://community.jboss.org/servlet/JiveServlet/download/578992-24819/mockup_v7.png
[18:37:39] <@balunasj_mtg> the one most like
[18:38:03] <@balunasj_mtg> ochikvina: still not 100% sure on the fonts
[18:38:53] <@balunasj_mtg> ochikvina: They seem narrow
[18:39:20] <ilya_shaikovsky> fonts will not affect the markup prototyping critically and could be changed when HTML will be ready.. so I think Olga could start create actual markup
[18:39:39] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: yup - agree, just wanted he to be thinking about it
[18:39:57] <ochikvina> I used Lucida as on the jboss community site
[18:40:11] <ilya_shaikovsky> sure Jay.. I just want to say that we really need to start prototyping if there are no critical concerns
[18:40:19] <ochikvina> It could be changed at any time
[18:40:36] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: yup, and I agree that should be started :-)
[18:41:48] <@balunasj_mtg> so only question remaining is skinning, and how it would work internally
[18:42:12] <@balunasj_mtg> but I think there is enough to get prototyping for the app
[18:43:05] <ilya_shaikovsky> I believe not worse than for 3.3.x.. It's not so cool when red panel of the demo lying in static blue backgrounds.. but not criticall at least for the first version  as main are is showcase central area
[18:43:16] <ilya_shaikovsky> are/area
[18:43:33] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: Were you looking at something more, or are we ready to move on?
[18:43:49] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: ready
[18:44:13] <ochikvina> I vote for skinning just examples in the main area
[18:44:20] <@balunasj_mtg> ochikvina: +1
[18:44:39] <ilya_shaikovsky> so lets move on :)
[18:45:28] <nbelaevski> ilya_shaikovsky: +1
[18:45:48] <@balunasj_mtg> good
[18:45:55] <@balunasj_mtg> next up is migration wiki - http://community.jboss.org/docs/DOC-16319
[18:46:09] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: I know you have started it, and I have not been able to assist yet :-(
[18:46:49] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: I'll need to get some time on this later this week, and/or during QE phase
[18:46:59] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: I would like to Sean at the docs meeting
[18:47:05] <ilya_shaikovsky> I decided that JS API is more important in the moment as it should be implemented then by dev.. and just wiki doc could be done slightly later
[18:47:15] <ilya_shaikovsky> so started to crteate the JS API doc
[18:47:26] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: and have him help out with getting content there from migration guide doc.
[18:47:29] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: yes agree
[18:47:39] <ilya_shaikovsky> yup.. also will add info at free time.. basically wanted also gave you time to look
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[18:47:51] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: so Thursday we'll talk to Seam, and get waht we can in.
[18:47:52] <ilya_shaikovsky> if I'm not missed something or maybe made something in not best strucutre
[18:48:00] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: yup
[18:48:06] <ilya_shaikovsky> ok sure.. Lets continue with Sean them
[18:48:08] <ilya_shaikovsky> then
[18:48:35] <@balunasj_mtg> yup ok
[18:48:47] <@balunasj_mtg> next up is GAE archetype, and showcase.
[18:49:04] <@balunasj_mtg> now that nbelaevski completed his work with client state saving, and others
[18:49:22] <@balunasj_mtg> and push demo is on its own I wanted to revisit the plan for this.
[18:49:29] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: SessionCleanupServlet still needto be looked at...
[18:49:46] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: yup - agree - I'll take that
[18:50:26] <@balunasj_mtg> I wanted to talk with prabhaat and QE on timing to get a final run on it before announcing.
[18:50:30] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: thanks!
[18:50:41] <@balunasj_mtg> would post CR1 release be a good time
[18:50:42] <@balunasj_mtg> ?
[18:50:57] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: no problem at all - I need to look at CODE!!!
[18:52:38] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: lfryc ppitonak : so what timing might be a good time to spend a cuople of days on this?
[18:53:56] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, the later the better
[18:54:00] <prabhaat> :)
[18:54:06] <prabhaat> may be next week?
[18:54:41] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: well, GAE archetype testing ( minimal ) should be done during QE phase of CR1 ( next 2 weeks )
[18:54:59] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: for GAE we want more load testing, so maybe post CR1 release is what I thinking.
[18:55:44] <prabhaat> might be able to do some during CR1 as well
[18:56:14] <@balunasj_mtg> ok good
[18:56:19] <@balunasj_mtg> we'll keep in mind
[18:56:24] <@balunasj_mtg> ok lets move on
[18:56:47] <@balunasj_mtg> Next up is client JS API
[18:56:48] <@balunasj_mtg> http://community.jboss.org/docs/DOC-16346
[18:57:01] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: any updates on this - I know you and pyaschenko1 were going to be doing this.
[18:57:27] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: what are you plans for getting jira's in for changes, anything we want to change here should be in CR2
[18:58:42] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: ilya_shaikovsky just told he has connection issues
[18:58:59] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: ok np
[18:59:15] <@balunasj_mtg> iirc things were all set here, and in motion so not a huge deal
[18:59:36] <@balunasj_mtg> Last up for CR1 for no is tag lib updates https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9936
[18:59:37] <jbossbot> jira [RF-9936] Fix taglib [Open, Major, Jay Balunas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9936
[18:59:57] <@balunasj_mtg> I'll be reviewing the subtasks and will likely ping various people on items that should be handled.
[19:00:52] <@balunasj_mtg> There are still come items here, and alexsmirnov just added on on UIColums
[19:00:59] <@balunasj_mtg> for facets.
[19:01:10] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: cool
[19:01:25] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: good
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[19:02:17] <@balunasj_mtg> ok so we are basically out of time, but have a couple of notes in agenda r. Bernard's CDK docs and questions that can be handled post code freeze.
[19:02:57] <ilya_shaikovsky> Sorry Jay had problems
[19:03:02] <ilya_shaikovsky> about JS API
[19:03:10] <ilya_shaikovsky> I will continue creating the tables
[19:03:26] <ilya_shaikovsky> and wanted today to talk about using Pavel after CR1 codefreeze
[19:03:27] <@balunasj_mtg> Also I'll be posting a blog outlining the component list for Final, and discussing rough process for adding new items post 4.0
[19:03:47] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: we'll have to review his jira's for CR2, and discuss I think
[19:03:53] <ilya_shaikovsky> he just already has tasks planned so wanted to approve such work for him before asking to assist :)
[19:04:03] <ilya_shaikovsky> so I'm not still asked him
[19:04:12] <ilya_shaikovsky> ok that sounds good
[19:04:25] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: yup - so talking to him about it good, but we'll need to see what will dropped
[19:04:51] <ilya_shaikovsky> ok let's see later than
[19:04:52] <@balunasj_mtg> i.e. what won't he be able to get to.
[19:04:58] <@balunasj_mtg> yup - lets target staff meeting
[19:06:13] <@balunasj_mtg> Part of the blog on component lists for 4.0 will point to new component jira, and as a said a rough process for requesting components.
[19:06:28] <@balunasj_mtg> based on community points - I think I can make that clearer
[19:06:41] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: ilya_shaikovsky : I'll have you guys review if when ready if that is ok.
[19:06:54] <nbelaevski> sure
[19:07:10] <@balunasj_mtg> so that is pretty much it for this meeting - I don't have time to discuss generated docs right.  We'll revisit for Staff mtg.
[19:07:14] <ilya_shaikovsky> ok sure
[19:07:22] <@balunasj_mtg> anyone have anything else they would like to bring up now to discuss?
[19:08:29] <@balunasj_mtg> ok then - thanks all, and we'll talk soon
[19:09:28] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: I think you are up for minutes this week
[19:09:33] <ilya_shaikovsky> thanks all!
[19:09:33] <nbelaevski> yup
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