[16:59:36] <@balunasj> Hi all
[16:59:44] <@balunasj> We'll get started in just a couple of minutes
[17:00:13] abelevich [~abelevich@86.57.158.146] has joined #richfaces
[17:02:40] <@balunasj> Here is the agenda for today
[17:02:41] <@balunasj> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda3-15-2011
[17:03:38] <@balunasj> So first up is status on 4.0.0Final
[17:03:56] <@balunasj> I have listed the planned release dates - assuming all goes well.
[17:04:32] alexsmirnov [~Adium@c-24-4-126-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #richfaces
[17:04:44] <@balunasj> On the development side we are working on some minor targeted updates to the showcase.  This is mainly text updates for descriptions.  Ilya put in one small change for overflow in css
[17:05:04] <@balunasj> This means we'll need a respin for this at some point near the end of the week.
[17:05:26] <@balunasj> We have no plans to add any other changes, unless QE , or community find something really critical.
[17:05:59] <@balunasj> We'll time the respin based on the QE status, and when they feel they will complete an initial run through
[17:06:05] <prabhaat> balunasj, we would know in couple of days. Pace has slowed down a bit because Lukas became sick yesterday and is off today
[17:06:44] <@balunasj> prabhaat: ok, thanks for letting us know.  The text updates will likely be done today.
[17:06:54] prabhaat will try to fill in the gaps as much as possible
[17:06:54] <@balunasj> so we'll be ready for respin whenever
[17:07:05] <prabhaat> balunasj, let's wait till end of this week
[17:07:10] <prabhaat> at least Thursday
[17:07:22] <@balunasj> nbelaevski: ilya_shaikovsky alexsmirnov: any other feedback or thoughts on development side with Final?
[17:07:29] <@balunasj> prabhaat: sure, that is ok
[17:09:44] <ilya_shaikovsky> balunasj filled a few issues
[17:09:51] <ilya_shaikovsky> but seems nothing really critical
[17:10:07] <nbelaevski> no issues
[17:10:11] <@balunasj> right now we only have https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10758
[17:10:12] <jbossbot> jira [RF-10758] Input fields in popupPanel loose focus [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10758
[17:10:23] <@balunasj> others have been review I believe
[17:10:40] <@balunasj> ok great
[17:10:42] <ilya_shaikovsky> yup Nick reviewed my new ones
[17:10:49] <@balunasj> ok good
[17:11:06] <nbelaevski> balunasj: Kontsantin is investigating
[17:11:12] <@balunasj> So lets move on to QE status - already got it I think :-)
[17:11:17] <@balunasj> prabhaat: anything else
[17:11:29] <@balunasj> nbelaevski: ok, but even if simple not sure I want it in respin
[17:12:00] <ilya_shaikovsky> agree that not looks critical either
[17:12:31] <nbelaevski> balunasj: ok I'll move
[17:12:47] <@balunasj> ok
[17:13:02] <prabhaat> balunasj, nope
[17:13:15] <@balunasj> prabhaat: ok thanks - we'll touch base later in the week then.
[17:13:33] <@balunasj> prabhaat: are you testing IE9 now that it is released?
[17:14:07] <prabhaat> balunasj, no
[17:14:18] <prabhaat> balunasj, i don't have IE9 machine
[17:14:27] <nbelaevski> balunasj: cool :) I've tested it some time ago - mostly worked ok 
[17:14:48] <prabhaat> balunasj, in lab ..that's what I meant
[17:14:49] <@balunasj> prabhaat: There must be one in Brno that can be used?
[17:15:18] <@balunasj> We need to get some testing in on IE9
[17:15:36] <@balunasj> we are already seeing people use it, and I want to make sure there is nothing critical in 4.0.
[17:15:43] <@balunasj> 3.3 has some know issues
[17:16:26] <prabhaat> balunasj, it will be done on laptop ..don't have new machine in official QA lab
[17:16:39] <ilya_shaikovsky> I'm concerned with RF 3.3.3.. do we really could tell all the users that we expects all the fixes from them and will do nothing for such support? (I believe such works will be anyway needed by Product Support in future)
[17:16:55] <@balunasj> prabhaat: ok that is fine, just want a run through to make sure we are ok
[17:17:06] <@balunasj> prabhaat: I'll try to get to it, but I doubt I'll be able to
[17:17:12] <ilya_shaikovsky> in future -> hope not too soon as IE 9 released finally:/
[17:17:19] <nbelaevski> ilya_shaikovsky: most likely we'll need to upgrade prototype - that's a problem
[17:17:28] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: Agree - with 3.3
[17:18:05] <@balunasj> I have asked for any patches on 3.3.X
[17:18:16] <@balunasj> and we'll try to get them reviewed and applied to
[17:18:23] <@balunasj> 3.3.4-SNAPSHOT
[17:18:45] <ilya_shaikovsky> that's good. but what if we will start to get more requests and no patches? That will not looks good if we will keep silence I think
[17:18:50] <@balunasj> we won't be able to do a release, but some of the guys said they would be happy with a snapshot that works.
[17:19:17] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: I don't think we'll keep quite - not our style :-)
[17:19:28] <ilya_shaikovsky> :)
[17:19:32] <@balunasj> but we only have so much time, perhaps post 4.0.F
[17:19:43] <clerum> there will be a 3.3.4 at some point?
[17:19:49] <@balunasj> we can spend a little time there to fill the gaps.
[17:19:57] <@balunasj> clerum: not likely
[17:20:09] <clerum> hmm
[17:20:28] <clerum> I have to think there will be people stuck on 3.3.3 for a while
[17:20:44] <clerum> unless seam 2.2.3 comes out with full jsf2 support
[17:20:47] <@balunasj> clerum: If there are enough patches, and time to apply, and someone from the community can step up it would become a possibility, but even then timing is tough
[17:21:29] <@balunasj> clerum: I'm hoping that most people developing to JSF 2.0 will be looking to RF 4 & weld/seam 3
[17:21:39] <@balunasj> clerum: But I'm sure there are those that can't
[17:21:45] <clerum> yeah it's those of us with active apps on seam 2
[17:22:08] <clerum> that all of a sudden have broken apps with ie9. we can tweak the compatability setting though
[17:22:28] <@balunasj> We'll do what we can, and we can always get patches, and update 3.3.4-SNAPSHOT even if not released.
[17:22:37] <clerum> sounds good
[17:22:52] <clerum> I don't have issue using a snapshot
[17:23:36] <@balunasj> clerum: ok great, Likely would not be anything done on this until post 4.0.F is released, although patches to review are quicker than doing the whole investigation ;-)
[17:24:37] <clerum> Sounds Good. maybe a blog post once the snapshot build is created
[17:24:51] <@balunasj> so prabhaat please let me know about your plans IE 9 with RF 4.
[17:25:17] <prabhaat> balunasj, it will be done on laptop and how extensive it will be depends on time we have
[17:25:18] <@balunasj> clerum: thats a good idea - are you volunteering :-)
[17:25:26] <@balunasj> prabhaat: ok
[17:25:34] <prabhaat> it's obvious that we already have too  many browsers but I usually give IE prioirity
[17:25:56] <@balunasj> clerum: The nightly builds for 3.3.4-SNAPSHOT should be available, but no one has made any changes there is while.
[17:26:14] <clerum> sorry. tied up with  seam 3 community endeavors :-)
[17:26:18] <@balunasj> prabhaat: yup, but blame the market :-)
[17:26:29] <@balunasj> clerum: sure, those are appreciated as well :-)
[17:26:54] <@balunasj> prabhaat: let us know because we might be able to have someone help out with ti.
[17:27:12] <prabhaat> balunasj, it's safe to pursue that
[17:27:33] <prabhaat> balunasj, having more people test wont hurt anyway so if you have someone..go ahead
[17:27:46] <@balunasj> prabhaat: ok we'll see what is possible, but still need QE eyes on it too :-)
[17:27:50] <@balunasj> lets move on
[17:28:20] <@balunasj> I've created the standard release jira
[17:28:20] <@balunasj> RFPL-1256
[17:28:27] <jbossbot> jira [RFPL-1256] RichFaces 4.0.0.Final Release [Open (Unresolved) Task, Blocker, Jay Balunas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RFPL-1256
[17:28:44] <@balunasj> but also added some additional items because this is final.
[17:28:54] <@balunasj> Anyone see anything obvious I'm missing there.
[17:29:08] <@balunasj> I think merge to /trunk is outside of scope but related
[17:31:37] artdaw [~Adium@86.57.158.146] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving.
[17:31:41] <@balunasj> ok
[17:31:56] <@balunasj> so feel free to add to it, or bring up items.
[17:32:19] <@balunasj> I want to have a big push for 4.0 - I think we have all worked so hard on it, and it is almost out the door :-)
[17:32:32] Konstantin [~k@86.57.158.146] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving.
[17:32:56] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: as we talked about yesterday I'll get your push blog reviewed before Monday so we can release it early next week
[17:33:11] <ilya_shaikovsky> balunasj sounds good
[17:33:24] artdaw1 [~k@86.57.158.146] has joined #richfaces
[17:33:26] <ilya_shaikovsky> nbelaevski, please do second review also
[17:33:30] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: I'm working on the GAE blog now, and hope to get a draft out for review soon.
[17:33:44] <@balunasj> I contacted Ara about helping with the wiki page -
[17:33:53] <ilya_shaikovsky> it's complex topic so I do not want first and so long waited one came with errors or missed parts
[17:33:54] <@balunasj> RFPL-1331
[17:33:56] <jbossbot> jira [RFPL-1331] Create a "How to use RichFaces 4 with Google AppEngine" wiki page [Open (Unresolved) Task, Major, Jay Balunas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RFPL-1331
[17:34:18] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: can you explain - I'm not 100% understanding
[17:34:34] <ilya_shaikovsky> second also for nbelaevski
[17:35:02] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: ah ok - missed the other post - yes - push is complex, but powerful so another tech review would be good.
[17:35:19] <nbelaevski> ilya_shaikovsky: for me? what?
[17:35:23] <ilya_shaikovsky> definitelly
[17:35:32] <ilya_shaikovsky> (17:33:20) ilya_shaikovsky: nbelaevski, please do second review also
[17:35:36] <ilya_shaikovsky> 17:33:46) ilya_shaikovsky: it's complex topic so I do not want first and so long waited one came with errors or missed parts
[17:35:37] <nbelaevski> ah, ok
[17:36:22] Konstantin [~Konstanti@86.57.158.146] has joined #richfaces
[17:36:25] <@balunasj> nbelaevski: we are thinking of releasing that next week
[17:36:28] <@balunasj> fyi^
[17:36:50] <@balunasj> we would like to get the GAE one out this week - I'm shooting for Thursday
[17:37:24] oskutka [~ony@nat/redhat/x-scfcdzcrjmctkyft] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving.
[17:37:57] <@balunasj> so about the GAE blog
[17:38:06] <@balunasj> I contacted Ara about helping with the wiki page http://community.jboss.org/wiki/HowtouseRichFaces40withGoogleAppEngine
[17:38:30] <@balunasj> he might be able to help later in the week, but I would like to get the basics in there before the blog goes live.
[17:38:55] <@balunasj> so any help on that would be appreciated - but if not I'll try to get in the rough info at least
[17:39:15] <ilya_shaikovsky> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/GoogleApplicationEngineSupportWithRichFaces4
[17:39:17] <ilya_shaikovsky> b.t.w.
[17:39:26] <ilya_shaikovsky> and reame for showcase also contains some info
[17:40:12] <@balunasj> Sure - that is part of what I'm going to add for sure :-)
[17:40:18] <ilya_shaikovsky> just some information in my old blog post could be outdated.. e.g. Webconfiguration not requires patch anymore
[17:40:32] <ilya_shaikovsky> (just wanted to be sure you remember in order to create wiki more easy) ;)
[17:40:44] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: thanks I appreciate ti :-)
[17:41:11] wojtask9 [d94a4402@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.74.68.2] has joined #richfaces
[17:41:25] <nbelaevski> balunasj: strange that GAE documentation doesn't mention InitialContext in a white list
[17:41:36] <nbelaevski> balunasj: it's really funny :)
[17:41:42] <@balunasj> nbelaevski: link?
[17:42:23] <nbelaevski> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/jrewhitelist.html
[17:42:24] <ilya_shaikovsky> And swing treeNode actually allowed for GAE (but not for local run :/ ) It's also GAE guys problem..
[17:42:48] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: yeah I saw the info from gleb that was strange
[17:43:02] <ilya_shaikovsky> it should be also in that list but not present (forgotten to be added)
[17:43:40] <@balunasj> We just need to be careful with unlisted, or out dated wiki pages from them
[17:43:48] balunasj not unlike any other project ;-)
[17:43:49] Konstantin [~Konstanti@86.57.158.146] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving.
[17:43:59] artdaw1 [~k@86.57.158.146] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving.
[17:44:36] Konstantin [~k@86.57.158.146] has joined #richfaces
[17:44:48] artdaw [~Adium@86.57.158.146] has joined #richfaces
[17:44:52] <@balunasj> anything else around GAE for now?
[17:46:05] <@balunasj> the other thing I wanted to mention is that we have been getting fairly high hit rates, but the quota seems good
[17:46:24] <@balunasj> I have some $$ in the account to go up incase of super heavy load
[17:46:46] <cypo> I had a look at the showcase site and noticed that td tags of all tables have duplicated id attributes. other tags might be affected too
[17:47:03] <@balunasj> It would be great to get a load test on it, but QE is overloaded - perhaps after Final
[17:47:11] <@balunasj> cypo: hmm, looking...
[17:48:49] <ilya_shaikovsky> cypo - not sure that undestand completelly the problem
[17:49:03] <@balunasj> cypo: you mean like this id="j_idt365:0:j_idt380:j_idt390"
[17:49:04] <@balunasj> ?
[17:49:24] <cypo> the same id is used on at least two different td tags of a table
[17:51:07] <@balunasj> cypo: is every page showing this? or just specific ones - can you link to it?
[17:51:09] <cypo> correction, a nested td reuses an id of it's parent th tag
[17:51:14] <nbelaevski> cypo: ok, Konstatin please take a look
[17:51:38] <cypo> it seems to be on table on every page
[17:51:47] <cypo> +every
[17:51:57] <@balunasj> It could be the nested ids like  id="j_idt365:0:j_idt380:j_idt390" - but agree - konstantin can you take a look?
[17:52:01] <nbelaevski> cypo: ok, I see. Konsatitin will take a look
[17:52:10] <cypo> ok, thank you
[17:53:40] <@balunasj> ok so not much to talk about with 4.Next atm
[17:53:47] <Konstantin> balunasj:I will look.
[17:54:09] <@balunasj> we are reviewing jira, but also busy with other work like documents, and other updates for Final to site, wiki etc...
[17:54:18] <cypo> an easy way to see it is to use the html validator firebox plugin
[17:54:23] <@balunasj> So lets just move on to first comment in agenda
[17:55:05] <@balunasj> Last meeting we discussed updates to the skinning wiki once final code freeze was done.  We need to discuss this more, and nail down exactly what is needed.
[17:55:24] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: I believe you mentioned this, but wanted to make sure we understood
[17:56:42] <ilya_shaikovsky> it's about css namings and abbreviations tables as I remember
[17:57:35] <Konstantin> balunasj: I confirm problem with duplicate ids.
[17:57:36] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: Perhaps it would be best if you created a RFPL jira to describe the task better, and we canreview and assign - is that ok?
[17:58:15] <@balunasj> Konstantin: next question - it is also on local showcase?  Is it specific to showcase, or all tables with RF?  and what is end impact on user?
[17:58:16] <ilya_shaikovsky> Np.. but I'm not sure we should duplicate the work at this point.. Sean using ecss files and that tables in order to describe skinning for every component.. So if he will find the inconsistency he could just create jira for information for that component.. And we could perform clean-up according to that jiras...
[17:58:47] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: ok that sounds better then - please bring this up at the doc meeting this week
[17:58:59] <ilya_shaikovsky> but actually some problems could be really lost if some abbreviations will be missed but obvoius and he will not ask about something
[17:59:46] <ilya_shaikovsky> yup.. let me ask Sean how things are going and how helpfull our current table.. and if we would say it's in bad shape - we will help him then too
[18:00:00] <@balunasj> ilya_shaikovsky: ok good - and we can discuss how to avoid this then.
[18:00:34] <ilya_shaikovsky> ok good
[18:00:46] <@balunasj> Konstantin: Please keep looking, and create jira's or blog post if needed
[18:00:53] <@balunasj> cypo: thanks a lot for bringing this up!
[18:01:03] <@balunasj> anything else from anyone else for now?
[18:01:13] <cypo> btw, some <style> and <script> tags miss the required type attribute
[18:01:19] <Konstantin> balunasj: ok
[18:01:26] <cypo> balunasj: you're welcome
[18:01:56] <nbelaevski> balunasj: looks like we'll need a respin
[18:02:05] <nbelaevski> balunasj: due to issues in tables
[18:02:59] <@balunasj> nbelaevski: at least we are planning this anyway
[18:03:15] <@balunasj> nbelaevski: but want to understand it better and talk about the risks etc..
[18:03:49] <@balunasj> nbelaevski: Konstantin: if now is not the time, please create a jira for this issue, and we'll discuss
[18:04:09] <cypo> on http://richfaces-showcase.appspot.com/richfaces/component-sample.jsf?demo=outputPanel two <input type="hidden"> elements share the same id="javax.faces.ViewState"
[18:06:06] <alexsmirnov> cypo: That's come from JSF impl - more likely to framework issue. The last spec requires only the name of these fields.
[18:06:43] <cypo> I guess you're right
[18:07:28] blabno [57cfb421@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.207.180.33] has quit IRC: Quit: Page closed
[18:07:53] <@balunasj> ok all - lets wrap up the meeting
[18:08:17] <@balunasj> Thanks to all.  nbelaevski I think you are up for minutes .
[18:08:46] <nbelaevski> yes