[17:00:08] <nbelaevski> hello all
[17:00:28] <ilya_shaikovsky> Hello all!
[17:00:48] <@balunasj_busy> abelevich: Do you know the answer to Dev123 question?
[17:00:58] <@balunasj_busy> abelevich: you worked d-n-d with 4.0
[17:01:26] <@balunasj_busy> btw - here is the agenda for todays meeting
[17:01:26] <@balunasj_busy> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/RichFacesTeamMeetingAgenda3-22-2011
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[17:03:43] <@balunasj_mtg> ok lets get started
[17:04:11] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev123: It might be easier to post on the user forum - because then we can review code samples etc...
[17:04:24] <@balunasj_mtg> abelevich: please reply to him when you can.
[17:04:31] <@balunasj_mtg> ok so 4.0 Final status
[17:04:32] <abelevich> ok
[17:04:34] <@balunasj_mtg> Almost there!!
[17:04:56] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: lfryc ppitonak: can I get a general status - how are things
[17:05:06] <@balunasj_mtg> plans to complete, etc...
[17:05:31] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, EOD friday is what we are shootng
[17:05:31] <lfryc> balunasj_mtg: automated tests failed because of Hudson issues, but we have started it again today and they should complete tomorrow
[17:05:50] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: excellent
[17:05:50] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, there is lot of work to be done on docs
[17:06:04] <prabhaat> and I don't think Sean will be fix them all by release
[17:06:21] <@balunasj_mtg> lfryc: don't scare me like ;-)  Start with "Hudson has issues" not "automated tests failed" ;-)
[17:06:44] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: let me give a quick update on docs incase
[17:06:44] <Dev123> balunasj_mtg: ok, thanks for you attention
[17:07:00] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev123: wish I had more to give now :-)
[17:07:10] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: you did not read the minutes
[17:07:21] <@balunasj_mtg> we are going to have a CR2 release for docs only
[17:07:23] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, which one?
[17:07:41] <@balunasj_mtg> This will co-inside with Final release ( likely this friday )
[17:07:48] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, ok
[17:08:01] <@balunasj_mtg> We will have a full week ( next week ) for revieww
[17:08:27] <@balunasj_mtg> Then the following week Sean will finalize all the updates, and reviews, and we'll have a final release for docs
[17:08:51] <@balunasj_mtg> should be seamless to everyone because we are using "latest_4_0_X" links.
[17:09:14] <@balunasj_mtg> Basically there was just too much to be done, and not enough resources, so we wanted to go with this.
[17:09:32] balunasj_mtg glad docs are separate t/b/t in svn...
[17:10:17] <@balunasj_mtg> so doc reviews can be a lower priority.
[17:10:34] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: make sense?  comments?
[17:10:46] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, yup
[17:10:54] <@balunasj_mtg> ok cool
[17:11:28] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: what are your plans with extended testing - I saw some things like Jboss tools in jira - other items you want to discuss?
[17:11:53] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, tools testing is already done. There are some issues which I wrote to Max
[17:12:07] <@balunasj_mtg> yup - saw that
[17:13:08] <prabhaat> then we also have more browsers including FF4 and IE9
[17:13:13] <@balunasj_mtg> :-)
[17:13:16] <prabhaat> so that's as extended as it can get
[17:14:25] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, jhuska is going to do some mobile testing as well
[17:14:31] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - any integration testing with seam, cdi, etc..
[17:14:51] <@balunasj_mtg> jhuska: Nice - please email me what you are planning I would like to review :-)
[17:15:05] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: anything other plans before we talk about some known issues?
[17:15:13] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, there is one seam example testing but it's not comprehensive
[17:15:24] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, no..that's all I have
[17:15:39] <jhuska> balunasj_mtg, ok I will send you an email
[17:16:10] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: ok that good - we are all on tight time now
[17:16:13] <@balunasj_mtg> jhuska: thanks
[17:16:19] <@balunasj_mtg> so now lets talk issues
[17:16:35] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: I know you have one, and I mention a few other in the agenda
[17:17:43] <ppitonak> RF-10766
[17:17:44] <jbossbot> jira [RF-10766] Sub table: rerender doesn't work correctly [Resolved (Done) Bug, Major, Alex Kolonitsky] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10766
[17:18:01] <@balunasj_mtg> AlexKolonitsky: please comment
[17:18:42] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: I've looked at the issue together with Alex
[17:18:59] <nbelaevski> looks like the resolution is invalid - should be won't fix as this is not a bug
[17:19:13] <nbelaevski> model is not updated because another form is issuing request
[17:19:24] <nbelaevski> so changed data is being reset
[17:19:55] <@balunasj_mtg> looking..
[17:20:08] <ppitonak> nbelaevski: so how to fix in Metamer? I don't understand the problem
[17:20:21] <nbelaevski> so what is the problem?
[17:20:37] <nbelaevski> is that model data is reset back to the initial value?
[17:20:47] <ppitonak> nbelaevski: yup
[17:21:15] <nbelaevski> that's normal because form data is not being submitted for changed components
[17:21:24] <nbelaevski> you have render all button in a separate form
[17:21:35] <nbelaevski> does the problem reproduce when button is in the same form?
[17:21:55] <ppitonak> nbelaevski: don't know...I'll try it
[17:21:56] <nbelaevski> AlexKolonitsky: have you tested that?
[17:22:15] <AlexKolonitsky> No
[17:22:57] <@balunasj_mtg> ok so some things to try, but ppitonak do you object to changing the resolution ?
[17:23:20] <nbelaevski> and there is second version of the page... it contains ajax components so changed data propagates into the model immediately
[17:23:44] <nbelaevski> so it works
[17:25:06] <lfryc> nbelaevski: we will investigate closer with ppitonak
[17:25:13] <@balunasj_mtg> ok lets move on
[17:25:27] <nbelaevski> lfryc: great guys - Alex can took also if needed
[17:25:28] <@balunasj_mtg> any other QE concerns or questions?
[17:25:59] <lfryc> no from my side
[17:26:05] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: no
[17:26:26] <prabhaat> nope
[17:26:39] <@balunasj_mtg> ok
[17:26:48] <@balunasj_mtg> So next up is some dev items
[17:27:14] <@balunasj_mtg> I wanted to finalize our JSF 2.1 support.  The AS 7 team is asking to move to it.  nbelaevski what is the latest with that?
[17:27:42] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: nothing new - I hadn't work on it since last time
[17:28:03] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: not even sure about efforts for supporting it like separate branch etc.
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[17:29:01] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: ok so as it stands right now do we have jira's in for issues, or still unknown at this point?
[17:29:28] <nbelaevski> yup, there should be some
[17:29:48] <nbelaevski> like involving new VisitHint
[17:29:55] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - I did some searching yesterday but was not sure if that was all - lets label then
[17:30:06] <@balunasj_mtg> "jsf 2.1" and we can discuss more offline
[17:30:35] <nbelaevski> ok
[17:31:13] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: next up is this CSV issue https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RFPL-1352
[17:31:23] <jbossbot> jira [RFPL-1352] CSV: some validators do not work ajax fallback with MyFaces [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Alexander Smirnov] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RFPL-1352
[17:31:33] <@balunasj_mtg> Pavol has commented further, and it appears you have been looking - whats the latest on this?
[17:33:12] <@balunasj_mtg> While we are waiting I wanted to point out to other - please don't forget about RFPL issues https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RFPL/fixforversion/12313742
[17:33:41] <alexsmirnov> I did not look after the last comment. Seems more likely as problem in the AjaxBehavior inherited by CSV
[17:33:58] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov, ilya_shaikovsky, and myself are the main one with RFPL tasks for final.
[17:34:12] <alexsmirnov> I wrote documentation all the day yesterday...
[17:34:19] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: You assigned it to yourself and then did not look at it?
[17:34:46] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: even if this is not going to get in Final, we really need to understand what the issue is.
[17:34:59] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: you and I both thought this was not an issues.
[17:35:13] <Dev123> Nice to see that richfaces is going forward =) greate job guys!
[17:35:28] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: I assigned that issue to Alex
[17:35:34] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev123: thanks
[17:35:46] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak ah ok - sorry alexsmirnov
[17:35:58] <nbelaevski> Dev123: thanks :)
[17:36:17] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev123: the guys have really been working hard!!
[17:36:28] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: So you updated the showcase and tested?
[17:36:30] <alexsmirnov> ppitonak: No problem.
[17:36:31] <@balunasj_mtg> with myfaces?
[17:37:02] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: exactly
[17:37:10] <alexsmirnov> The main problem with this issue fro me what I use Mac and Linux, where I cannot reproduce an issue.
[17:37:14] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: question - why did you set onbeforesubmit="#{null}"
[17:37:40] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: because that is what happens in Metamer and therefore it doesn't work in Metamer only
[17:37:40] <alexsmirnov> Can anyone give me more detail information from IE error ?
[17:38:06] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: I can once we narrow this down.
[17:38:06] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: of course, in Metamer there is some complicated EL, not #{null}
[17:38:30] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: so are you testing onbeforesubmit="#{null}" or ajax fallback?
[17:38:48] <alexsmirnov> ppitonak: Yes, and I tried to create a snippet what reproduces the issue
[17:38:54] <@balunasj_mtg> I guess what I'm saying is without setting that does this work?
[17:39:23] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: if you look into metamer, the component has all attributes set but some are evaluated to null
[17:39:23] balunasj_mtg looking up metamer source
[17:39:34] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: we test all components in this way
[17:39:52] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: no attribute set on components should be the same as attr=#{null}
[17:40:11] <@balunasj_mtg> http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/richfaces/modules/tests/metamer/trunk/application/src/main/webapp/components/richValidator/csv.xhtml
[17:40:55] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: but that might explain why everything was working for us.
[17:41:04] <@balunasj_mtg> we did not know this was the trigger for the issue
[17:41:23] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: yup, I understand
[17:41:35] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: but now we know what causes it and it has to be fixed
[17:41:40] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: but imho not in final
[17:41:52] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: there is an easy workaround
[17:41:56] <Dev123> balunasj__mtg: am looking forward to try out version 4.. even if we unfortunatly will probably continue use version 3 for a while..
[17:42:00] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: agree not in final, and the severity can go down.
[17:42:07] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: agree
[17:42:46] <@balunasj_mtg> ppitonak: Can you update the jira with the true cause, lower the severity, shift to 4.Future, and enter the workaround
[17:42:47] <@balunasj_mtg> ?
[17:43:02] <ppitonak> balunasj_mtg: sure
[17:43:04] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev123: let us know if you run into any issues :-)
[17:43:08] <@balunasj_mtg> thanks
[17:43:38] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev: any other items or questions to discuss related to Final reelase ?
[17:43:42] <@balunasj_mtg> release?
[17:43:47] <alexsmirnov> ppitonak: I'll check this in my example. BTW: value 'null' and attribute that wasn't set are different in JSF.
[17:44:35] <Dev123> balunasj_mtg: sure I will.. hopefully I would give some help with contributs sometime in the future, just having the time
[17:44:40] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: not a priority though if it starts taking too long.
[17:44:49] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev123: that would be great
[17:44:56] <@balunasj_mtg> ok next up with 4.Next
[17:45:01] <Dev123> think it's relly good stuffs
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[17:45:11] <Dev123> not for the moment, going away for a while.. cheers
[17:45:12] <@balunasj_mtg> I've added jira releases for 4.0.1 and 4.1.0
[17:45:23] <alexsmirnov> balunasj_mtg: I wrote all JavaDoc comments for CDK attributes. what do you think, is it make sense to upload them as separate documentation ?
[17:45:25] <@balunasj_mtg> Dev123: ttyl
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[17:46:08] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: What I would like to see is a separate api doc bundle
[17:46:18] <@balunasj_mtg> once VDL is in better shape
[17:46:35] <@balunasj_mtg> we can bundle javaDoc, VDL, etc.. in one place.
[17:46:49] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: where do you have all the JavaDoc updates now?
[17:47:37] <alexsmirnov> balunasj_mtg: in the trunk - I did not put anything into release code.
[17:48:17] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: ok cool - we'll need to merge ( not fun in svn I know ) - really want to get to git in near future.... but another topic
[17:48:57] <@balunasj_mtg> alexsmirnov: want to wait for Final to be released, then we can get the merging out of the way
[17:49:14] <@balunasj_mtg> we'll discuss more at next weeks team meeting
[17:49:39] <@balunasj_mtg> abelevich: AlexKolonitsky: status updates with VDL docs while we are on the subject
[17:49:48] <@balunasj_mtg> how far are we from seeing a result?
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[17:50:55] <abelevich> now we generate vdl with maven so tomorrow we will integrate it with richfaces project
[17:51:21] <@balunasj_mtg> abelevich: ok are you working in a separate branch, or what are your plans around that?
[17:52:36] <abelevich> now we work in separate project and plan to discuss integration with Nick
[17:53:10] <@balunasj_mtg> abelevich: ok please discuss with him and I look forward to see the docs from it :-)
[17:53:27] <abelevich> ok
[17:53:38] <@balunasj_mtg> ok next up
[17:54:08] <@balunasj_mtg> Showcase it live online at http://richfaces.org/showcase and most everyone should know
[17:54:41] <@balunasj_mtg> Just wanted to say that it has been scaling very well - and we are at around 5k visits and 52k+ page views since last week
[17:54:43] <@balunasj_mtg> !!!!!
[17:55:01] <@balunasj_mtg> I've also emailed google to get the "will it play" page updated.
[17:55:14] <prabhaat> balunasj_mtg, showcase is tempoarily running at cloubbees as well : http://showcase.eejot.cloudbees.net/
[17:55:16] <prabhaat> :)
[17:55:40] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: this is the one from your blog right?
[17:56:34] <prabhaat> the one from blog was at Beanstalk
[17:56:37] <prabhaat> on Amazon
[17:56:42] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: oh thats right
[17:56:45] <prabhaat> this one is from Cloudbees
[17:57:16] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: I suggest to add favicon.ico there to decrease number of 404 request I am seeing :)
[17:57:18] <@balunasj_mtg> prabhaat: we need to get all of the integration info centralized on the wiki so that users can see in one place where and how they can host richfaces
[17:57:39] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: agree - artdaw can you do this as part of your GAE work?
[17:58:13] <@balunasj_mtg> artdaw: please create a jira for this and use the RichFaces icon - I believe we have a icon sized one available
[17:58:41] <artdaw> ok, I can do it as a part of GAE work
[17:59:21] <@balunasj_mtg> ok great
[18:00:22] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: related to the will it play page - what ever happened with the Jetty powered list?
[18:00:56] <ilya_shaikovsky> them sent me one letter asking how we using jetty on the project
[18:01:19] <ilya_shaikovsky> and after I answered them not returned with any reply anymore
[18:01:28] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: right - iirc I reviewed the update - do you know if it made it on the list?
[18:01:49] <ilya_shaikovsky> I just checked prior to meeting and can't see us there
[18:02:29] <nbelaevski> ilya_shaikovsky: what list are we talking about? :) 
[18:02:58] <@balunasj_mtg> this one I believe
[18:02:59] <@balunasj_mtg> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JETTY/Jetty+Powered
[18:03:21] <@balunasj_mtg> ilya_shaikovsky: correct? ^
[18:04:06] <ilya_shaikovsky> yup
[18:04:55] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: it is just a page for cross marketing ;-)
[18:05:11] <nbelaevski> ah I see
[18:05:18] <nbelaevski> very long page I should say :)
[18:05:21] <@balunasj_mtg> ok, and finally  - one last question on the push blog - I'll review the final update today
[18:05:48] <@balunasj_mtg> but noticed that websockets fallback support had a limited comment -
[18:06:00] <@balunasj_mtg> I thought atmosphere took care of that for us?
[18:06:17] <ilya_shaikovsky> need to ping them probably
[18:06:22] <ilya_shaikovsky> I will add minor todo
[18:07:59] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski: Can you let me know about the websocket support - can't remember the details?
[18:09:02] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: tbh it's looking really bad
[18:09:04] <nbelaevski> http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/12/websockets-disabled-in-firefox-4/
[18:09:11] <@balunasj_mtg> looking...
[18:09:37] <nbelaevski> also I've tried with the latest Atmosphere/Jetty - they did not work for push-demo
[18:09:55] <nbelaevski> going to try with GF3, just not sure about the priority
[18:10:02] <@balunasj_mtg> ah I remember reading something like this a while back.
[18:10:07] <@balunasj_mtg> Not a priority for now
[18:10:10] <nbelaevski> additional problem is the lack of good tools
[18:10:27] <nbelaevski> so i couldn't get it working
[18:11:03] <@balunasj_mtg> ok - so for now we'll stick with what we have and discuss options for 4.Next
[18:11:22] <nbelaevski> yes, I don't see any another option
[18:11:40] <@balunasj_mtg> nbelaevski:yup
[18:11:53] <@balunasj_mtg> ok anything else from anyone before we wrap up the meeting?
[18:12:28] <nbelaevski> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10787
[18:12:30] <jbossbot> jira [RF-10787] Provide info about SkinPropertiesELResolver and ResourceParameterELResolver (for performance tuning) [Open (Unresolved) Task, Optional, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10787
[18:12:48] <nbelaevski> I am going to assign to 4.Future, ok?
[18:13:00] <@balunasj_mtg> lookin
[18:13:08] <@balunasj_mtg> yes
[18:13:34] <nbelaevski> ok thanks
[18:14:16] <@balunasj_mtg> ok all - thanks, and we'll get RichFaces 4.0.0.F
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[18:14:31] <nbelaevski> ilya_shaikovsky: balunasj_mtg: BTW: http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/PoweredBy :)
[18:14:41] <@balunasj_mtg> This about it - this is likely the last team meeting before RichFaces 4.0.0.Final is actually released !!!!
[18:14:52] <@balunasj_mtg> s/This/Think
[18:15:22] <ilya_shaikovsky> sounds great ;)
[18:15:48] <@balunasj_mtg> fyi nbelaevski your up on minutes
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[18:17:05] <nbelaevski> balunasj_mtg: ok thanks
[18:17:24] <@balunasj_mtg> ok time for lunch - we'll talk later