8 Replies Latest reply on Mar 10, 2009 1:06 PM by Gab Aldian

    your current Jboss evaluation

    Gab Aldian Newbie

      Hi everybody

      I am currently working on a comparative study of Jonas, Jboss, Glassfish, Geronimo. For all technical questions, I already have the information on the internet, and those four are the only one application servers that can meet my needs. But I would like to know what do experienced user think about their ergonomy. For each of them, I am posting the same question on their respective forum. Please be honest and objective so that I can make a good comparison (even if for you JBoss is clearly the best ;)).

      About JBoss, what evaluation (please give a mark from 1=worst to 10=best) would you give concerning the following tests?

      * easy to install
      * easy deployment
      * easy administration
      * easy IDE interfacing
      * easy developement

      Feel free to comment about the others softwares if you know something about them.

      Thank You very much !

        • 1. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
          Gab Aldian Newbie

          Is there nobody to answer me? I don't understand how it is possible. On the mailing list and forum of Jonas, Geronimo and Glassfish whose communities are theoretically far smaller than the JBoss one, I had an answer very fast. So I begin to wonder wether JBoss is as performant as the rumor says, since there is nobody on the forum to speak for it :(.

          • 2. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
            jaikiran pai Master

             

            "Aldian_00" wrote:
            Is there nobody to answer me? I don't understand how it is possible. On the mailing list and forum of Jonas, Geronimo and Glassfish whose communities are theoretically far smaller than the JBoss one, I had an answer very fast.


            I don't know how to answer this. First off i don't think asking this question in the "Beginners forum" is the right place, but i don't know which other forum to redirect you (and that's the reason why i said i don't know how to answer this :) )

            "Aldian_00" wrote:

            So I begin to wonder wether JBoss is as performant as the rumor says, since there is nobody on the forum to speak for it :(.

            That wouldn't be a correct criteria to judge JBoss (or any other server) for that matter :)

            So coming back to your original questions:

            About JBoss, what evaluation (please give a mark from 1=worst to 10=best) would you give concerning the following tests?


            I wont provide any ratings here, instead i'll provide some details about how JBoss does things in each of these categories. Then maybe you could compare this information against the other servers and rate them yourself. If you need more information, you can then ask specific questions :)

            * easy to install


            JBoss AS comes as a zipped archive. Installation is as simple as unzipping it to any folder on your system. Can't be any easier than that :)

            * easy deployment

            Deployment is again as simple as the installation itself. JBoss has a predefined folder named "deploy" where you can place your deployables. That's all, JBoss will pick it up and deploy it. If required you can configure any other folder of your choice by just changing a value in a configuration file.

            * easy administration

            What type of administration are you looking for? And that reminds me one more question - which version of the server are you interested in? AS-4.x or the newer 5.x version?

            * easy IDE interfacing

            I won't call this an AS question. Instead its a question about the tools available for developing applications for AS. JBoss Tools provides such an IDE with a whole lot of features. If you have any specific questions the correct forum for IDE questions is this http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewforum&f=201

            * easy developement

            Again, more of an integration with AS for development question. With the JBoss Tools IDE or even plain Eclipse (if you don't want the integration) can be used for development.

            By the way, what's going to be output of this survey? :) Are you going to publish this to community (since you are asking for inputs from the community)? :)


            • 3. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
              Gab Aldian Newbie

              Ok thank you very much for the reply. In fact I either didn't know where to post this and I thought that the beginner section would probably be good since often, experienced user go in this section for helping beginners.

              About the goal of this survey, it will help my company to choose its JEE platform. I don't know wether it will be published. On one hand it could be a good thing to see wether contributors of each project agree with the results and if they have corrections to propose. But I don't know wether my boss will think the same.

              Here are some details of what we plan to do: We plan to use EJB3 to develop an NGOSS type software and to deploy it on a JEE platform like JBoss. Our software will use Web services to communicate with outdoor and be interfaced to a Network Management System to offer services such as fault management. So it is not a little application we plan to make. The choice of the application server will have consequences for years.

              We won't have many clients on front end, but on back end, the NMS that will be interfaced with our app can contain hundred of equipements. So we are particulary interested in failover and load balancing capacities. What can you say about it?

              And what do you think of the administration of the Jboss platform? Is it easy to manage?

              Thank you very much!

              • 4. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
                jaikiran pai Master

                 

                So we are particulary interested in failover and load balancing capacities. What can you say about it?


                JBoss does have failover/load balancing capabilities. Best place to ask more about this is the clustering user forum http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewforum&f=64.

                Also read the Clustering documentation and even the clustering FAQ http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-9306

                And what do you think of the administration of the Jboss platform? Is it easy to manage?


                You have to tell us which version of the AS are you interested in. JBoss-4.x version, by default, doesn't have much in terms of administration interface (UI) (read my comments later on, before concluding JBossAS is bad :) ). But there is Embedded Jopr http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewforum&f=294 which is very good at administrative UI. You can deploy Embedded Jopr on JBoss-4.x for administrative capabilities.
                The upcoming release of JBoss-5 is going to include this administrative UI as part of the default installation http://www.jboss.org/feeds/post/jboss_as_5_0_1_ga_released

                Finally, the important part, JBoss AS is the community edition. There's the JBoss EAP edition which is supported version of JBoss AS. From what i know, the EAP version already has the administrative capabilities.

                I am currently working on a comparative study of Jonas, Jboss, Glassfish, Geronimo.
                ...
                For each of them, I am posting the same question on their respective forum.


                For the benefit of the readers here, can you please post the thread URLs, of your question on those forums, here?


                • 5. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
                  Gab Aldian Newbie

                  Ok thank you very much for the reply. I will take a look at your link and then come back if I have any new question.

                  I have to tell that I am wondering why you are speaking of Jboss AS 4 and Jboss AS 5. Theorically the 5th version should be better, shouldn't it? Or are there some points that make the previous version better for some usages?


                  Here are the links to the questions on the other forums:
                  http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=335106 - Glassfish
                  http://www.nabble.com/your-current-JOnAS-evaluation-to22329663.html - Jonas
                  http://www.nabble.com/your-current-Geronimo-evaluation-to22329850s134.html - Geronimo

                  nabble.com forums are nothing but mailing list mirrors

                  • 6. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
                    jaikiran pai Master

                     

                    "Aldian_00" wrote:


                    I have to tell that I am wondering why you are speaking of Jboss AS 4 and Jboss AS 5. Theorically the 5th version should be better, shouldn't it?


                    Definitely, the JBossAS5 will be better than AS4. The reason i have been asking which version you intend to use is to see if you came here with some specific version in mind. If you had JBossAS-4 in mind then my next suggestion would have been to move to AS5 :)





                    • 7. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
                      jaikiran pai Master

                       

                      "jaikiran" wrote:

                      There's the JBoss EAP edition which is supported version of JBoss AS.

                      Here's where you will find everything (including case studies) about the EAP (Enterprise Application Platform), which is the supported version http://www.jboss.com/products/platforms/application/

                      • 8. Re: your current Jboss evaluation
                        Gab Aldian Newbie

                        I have made a comparative array with all the clues I have found the pas week. I am affraid I may have collected some myths, so feel free to explain all incorrect data if you feel like it is incorrect ;)

                        Here is the Array:

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