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    10:05pm] serogers: OK, first I just wanted to ask about some of the components listed in RF-9332
    [10:05pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9332] New or migrated 4.0.0.M5 components [Open, Critical, Jay Balunas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9332
    [10:05pm] serogers: Some don't have documentation sub-tasks
    [10:06pm] serogers: Should I be documenting them yet?
    [10:06pm] balunasj: Some have been moved out as separate tasks.
    [10:06pm] balunasj: looking...
    [10:07pm] serogers: Mostly the drag and drop stuff
    [10:08pm] balunasj: ok, so let me search quick and
    [10:08pm] balunasj: see.
    [10:10pm] balunasj: hmm, but you are right I don't see a doc task for d-n-d
    [10:10pm] balunasj: Here it is https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9764
    [10:10pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9764] drag-n-drop: documentation creation [Open, Major, Ilya Shaikovsky] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9764
    [10:11pm] balunasj: for some reason anton assigned to ilya
    [10:11pm] balunasj: I'll go ahead and assign to you
    [10:11pm] serogers: OK... it doesn't appear as a sub-task of https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9678 either
    [10:11pm] balunasj: serogers: done
    [10:11pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9678] Drag-n-Drop components [Resolved, Major, Anton Belevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9678
    [10:11pm] serogers: Thanks
    [10:12pm] serogers: So that needs doing then
    [10:12pm] balunasj: serogers: yup, some sub-tasks were shifted out, such as doc, showcase updates, etc... because they are
    [10:12pm] serogers: Oh, OK
    [10:12pm] balunasj: serogers: are not 100% tied to the functionality being complete.  Although still critical
    [10:13pm] balunasj: any other components like that  - just let me know
    [10:13pm] serogers: OK, next up, I wanted to know if the calendar features that weren't in M4 would be in M5... though I haven't noted which features those were
    [10:14pm] serogers: I might need to send Ilya an email about that
    [10:14pm] balunasj: serogers: btw - quickly - Ilya was asking if we might also have the doc meeting on Thursday.  He should be back from being out sick.
    [10:15pm] serogers: OK, I think that should be doable. Which time are we going to have it?
    [10:15pm] balunasj: It can be the exact same time if it works for you?
    [10:15pm] balunasj: I'm pretty open
    [10:16pm] serogers: OK, well this time works OK for me. The other time gets a bit late... though I know you have to be up early!
    [10:17pm] balunasj: serogers: I'm up pretty much everyday at 6:00 am
    [10:17pm] balunasj: so no problems there
    [10:17pm] serogers: OK
    [10:17pm] balunasj: so for calendar
    [10:17pm] balunasj: here are the links related
    [10:18pm] balunasj: It does not look like much was actually completed
    [10:18pm] balunasj: I'll check in at team meeting today
    [10:18pm] serogers: OK. The docs are ready, I just need to know what needs commenting out
    [10:19pm] balunasj: sure
    [10:19pm] balunasj: i've got a few topics as well, when you are finished.  anything else for now?
    [10:20pm] serogers: Do you think the doc tech review Jiras are separated out too? Because I can't see any and was wondering if they needed creating
    [10:20pm] balunasj: serogers: I think those need to be created - as you get
    [10:21pm] balunasj: ready for them I would just create them.
    [10:21pm] serogers: OK, cool
    [10:21pm] serogers: Any progress on getting the generated documentation going? Like javadocs and such
    [10:21pm] balunasj: serogers: nope   just no time for that one.
    [10:22pm] serogers: OK
    [10:23pm] balunasj: so, I'm hoping to get to it for CR releases
    [10:23pm] serogers: We discussed before whether we wanted skinning info with each component or all in one big chapter... I was thinking, could we do both?
    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: that would be ok, but just concerned about timing.
    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: But a single main section, and then perhaps reference info with components
    [10:24pm] balunasj: that might be good.
    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: is that what you are thinking?
    [10:25pm] serogers: Well the content would be duplicated... it wouldn't take much longer. But OK, references from a long section may be better
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    [10:25pm] balunasj: serogers: well, I'm assuming there will be a main skinning section
    [10:26pm] serogers: Yes
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    [10:26pm] balunasj: where you talk about general features, how to use it
    [10:26pm] balunasj: etc...
    [10:26pm] serogers: This is mostly for the reference details for each component
    [10:26pm] balunasj: then a component reference section where you you explain what skinning properties exist for components.
    [10:27pm] balunasj: serogers: ok, so sounds like same page.
    [10:27pm] serogers: OK
    [10:28pm] serogers: Last bit from me: RF-9696 mentions "declarative model". I'm not sure what that is. What should I read up on for that?
    [10:28pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9696] Tree: declarative models support: documentation development [Open, Major, Sean Rogers] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9696
    [10:28pm] balunasj: serogers: this is similar to push, I wanted to discuss where/how you will get the information needed to document this.
    [10:29pm] balunasj: unfortunatly nick is not on, and he developed both of these.
    [10:29pm] serogers: OK
    [10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: in the past, what has been the main/best source of information for you to document new features?
    [10:29pm] balunasj: wiki,
    [10:29pm] balunasj: jira
    [10:29pm] balunasj: ?
    [10:30pm] serogers: Wiki mostly. There often isn't much detail in Jira.
    [10:30pm] balunasj: serogers: yup, ok that is what I thought
    [10:31pm] balunasj: so for example, push is VERY new, and so needs more information for you to document.
    [10:31pm] balunasj: This is certainly one of those tricky bits.
    [10:32pm] balunasj: I guess what we'll need is an
    [10:33pm] balunasj: updated wiki page with basics, as of now push is really only documented in an example.
    [10:33pm] serogers: OK
    [10:34pm] balunasj: so the other topics I wanted to bring up are related to plans for the rest of the release.
    [10:34pm] balunasj: You saw the various emails on dates, plans, etc...
    [10:34pm] balunasj: The migration guide is going to be wiki based, and should not really effect you, besides
    [10:34pm] serogers: Yep
    [10:35pm] balunasj: review
    [10:35pm] balunasj: The CDK guide, while important is not critical for the Final release.
    [10:35pm] balunasj: That really leaves dev guide, and component guide.
    [10:35pm] serogers: I already have about 90% of a migration guide... should this be converted to Wiki?
    [10:36pm] balunasj: serogers: What % complete and ready do you feel these are?
    [10:36pm] balunasj: serogers: yup exactly - meant to say that too
    [10:36pm] serogers: Dev Guide is fully drafted, it needs another tech review though and may need some changes based on that
    [10:37pm] balunasj: serogers: ok, but you feel it is pretty much complete ( except for those updates )?
    [10:37pm] serogers: Yes
    [10:37pm] balunasj: ok
    [10:38pm] balunasj: and what about the component guide?
    [10:39pm] serogers: Component Guide is pretty much matching the completion of the components themselves... I guess about 85-90%?
    [10:39pm] balunasj: serogers: perfect + a tech review there as well.
    [10:39pm] serogers: Yeah
    [10:40pm] balunasj: good, so you are in pretty good shape - just need tech reviews, and updated info on some new components.
    [10:40pm] serogers: Yeah
    [10:40pm] balunasj: great
    [10:41pm] balunasj: thats all  had for today - anything else for now?
    [10:41pm] serogers: No, I think that's it
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    [10:42pm] balunasj: serogers: ok then thanks, and we'll talk again on thursday
    [10:42pm] balunasj: and figure out the remaining info o

    [10:05pm] serogers: OK, first I just wanted to ask about some of the components listed in RF-9332

    [10:05pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9332] New or migrated 4.0.0.M5 components [Open, Critical, Jay Balunas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9332

    [10:05pm] serogers: Some don't have documentation sub-tasks

    [10:06pm] serogers: Should I be documenting them yet?

    [10:06pm] balunasj: Some have been moved out as separate tasks.

    [10:06pm] balunasj: looking...

    [10:07pm] serogers: Mostly the drag and drop stuff

    [10:08pm] balunasj: ok, so let me search quick and

    [10:08pm] balunasj: see.

    [10:09pm] balunasj: so here you have tree, and drop down menu - https://issues.jboss.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+RF+AND+fixVersion+%3D+%224.0.0.Milestone5%22+AND+resolution+%3D+Unresolved+AND+assignee+%3D+SeanRogers+ORDER+BY+priority+DESC&mode=hide

    [10:10pm] balunasj: hmm, but you are right I don't see a doc task for d-n-d

    [10:10pm] balunasj: Here it is https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9764

    [10:10pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9764] drag-n-drop: documentation creation [Open, Major, Ilya Shaikovsky] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9764

    [10:11pm] balunasj: for some reason anton assigned to ilya

    [10:11pm] balunasj: I'll go ahead and assign to you

    [10:11pm] serogers: OK... it doesn't appear as a sub-task of https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9678 either

    [10:11pm] balunasj: serogers: done

    [10:11pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9678] Drag-n-Drop components [Resolved, Major, Anton Belevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9678

    [10:11pm] serogers: Thanks

    [10:12pm] serogers: So that needs doing then

    [10:12pm] balunasj: serogers: yup, some sub-tasks were shifted out, such as doc, showcase updates, etc... because they are

    [10:12pm] serogers: Oh, OK

    [10:12pm] balunasj: serogers: are not 100% tied to the functionality being complete.  Although still critical

    [10:13pm] balunasj: any other components like that  - just let me know

    [10:13pm] serogers: OK, next up, I wanted to know if the calendar features that weren't in M4 would be in M5... though I haven't noted which features those were

    [10:14pm] serogers: I might need to send Ilya an email about that

    [10:14pm] balunasj: serogers: btw - quickly - Ilya was asking if we might also have the doc meeting on Thursday.  He should be back from being out sick.

    [10:15pm] serogers: OK, I think that should be doable. Which time are we going to have it?

    [10:15pm] balunasj: It can be the exact same time if it works for you?

    [10:15pm] balunasj: I'm pretty open

    [10:16pm] serogers: OK, well this time works OK for me. The other time gets a bit late... though I know you have to be up early!

    [10:17pm] balunasj: serogers: I'm up pretty much everyday at 6:00 am

    [10:17pm] balunasj: so no problems there

    [10:17pm] serogers: OK

    [10:17pm] balunasj: so for calendar

    [10:17pm] balunasj: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+RF+AND+(summary+~+calendar+OR+description+~+calendar)+AND+resolution+%3D+Unresolved+AND+fixVersion+%3D+%224.0.0.Milestone5%22+ORDER+BY+priority+DESC

    [10:17pm] balunasj: here are the links related

    [10:18pm] balunasj: It does not look like much was actually completed

    [10:18pm] balunasj: I'll check in at team meeting today

    [10:18pm] serogers: OK. The docs are ready, I just need to know what needs commenting out

    [10:19pm] balunasj: sure

    [10:19pm] balunasj: i've got a few topics as well, when you are finished.  anything else for now?

    [10:20pm] serogers: Do you think the doc tech review Jiras are separated out too? Because I can't see any and was wondering if they needed creating

    [10:20pm] balunasj: serogers: I think those need to be created - as you get

    [10:21pm] balunasj: ready for them I would just create them.

    [10:21pm] serogers: OK, cool

    [10:21pm] serogers: Any progress on getting the generated documentation going? Like javadocs and such

    [10:21pm] balunasj: serogers: nope   just no time for that one.

    [10:22pm] serogers: OK

    [10:23pm] balunasj: so, I'm hoping to get to it for CR releases

    [10:23pm] serogers: We discussed before whether we wanted skinning info with each component or all in one big chapter... I was thinking, could we do both?

    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: that would be ok, but just concerned about timing.

    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: But a single main section, and then perhaps reference info with components

    [10:24pm] balunasj: that might be good.

    [10:24pm] balunasj: serogers: is that what you are thinking?

    [10:25pm] serogers: Well the content would be duplicated... it wouldn't take much longer. But OK, references from a long section may be better

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    [10:25pm] balunasj: serogers: well, I'm assuming there will be a main skinning section

    [10:26pm] serogers: Yes

    [10:26pm] Konstantin1 joined the chat room.

    [10:26pm] balunasj: where you talk about general features, how to use it

    [10:26pm] balunasj: etc...

    [10:26pm] serogers: This is mostly for the reference details for each component

    [10:26pm] balunasj: then a component reference section where you you explain what skinning properties exist for components.

    [10:27pm] balunasj: serogers: ok, so sounds like same page.

    [10:27pm] serogers: OK

    [10:28pm] serogers: Last bit from me: RF-9696 mentions "declarative model". I'm not sure what that is. What should I read up on for that?

    [10:28pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-9696] Tree: declarative models support: documentation development [Open, Major, Sean Rogers] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-9696

    [10:28pm] balunasj: serogers: this is similar to push, I wanted to discuss where/how you will get the information needed to document this.

    [10:29pm] balunasj: unfortunatly nick is not on, and he developed both of these.

    [10:29pm] serogers: OK

    [10:29pm] balunasj: serogers: in the past, what has been the main/best source of information for you to document new features?

    [10:29pm] balunasj: wiki,

    [10:29pm] balunasj: jira

    [10:29pm] balunasj: ?

    [10:30pm] serogers: Wiki mostly. There often isn't much detail in Jira.

    [10:30pm] balunasj: serogers: yup, ok that is what I thought

    [10:31pm] balunasj: so for example, push is VERY new, and so needs more information for you to document.

    [10:31pm] balunasj: This is certainly one of those tricky bits.

    [10:32pm] balunasj: I guess what we'll need is an

    [10:33pm] balunasj: updated wiki page with basics, as of now push is really only documented in an example.

    [10:33pm] serogers: OK

    [10:34pm] balunasj: so the other topics I wanted to bring up are related to plans for the rest of the release.

    [10:34pm] balunasj: You saw the various emails on dates, plans, etc...

    [10:34pm] balunasj: The migration guide is going to be wiki based, and should not really effect you, besides

    [10:34pm] serogers: Yep

    [10:35pm] balunasj: review

    [10:35pm] balunasj: The CDK guide, while important is not critical for the Final release.

    [10:35pm] balunasj: That really leaves dev guide, and component guide.

    [10:35pm] serogers: I already have about 90% of a migration guide... should this be converted to Wiki?

    [10:36pm] balunasj: serogers: What % complete and ready do you feel these are?

    [10:36pm] balunasj: serogers: yup exactly - meant to say that too

    [10:36pm] serogers: Dev Guide is fully drafted, it needs another tech review though and may need some changes based on that

    [10:37pm] balunasj: serogers: ok, but you feel it is pretty much complete ( except for those updates )?

    [10:37pm] serogers: Yes

    [10:37pm] balunasj: ok

    [10:38pm] balunasj: and what about the component guide?

    [10:39pm] serogers: Component Guide is pretty much matching the completion of the components themselves... I guess about 85-90%?

    [10:39pm] balunasj: serogers: perfect + a tech review there as well.

    [10:39pm] serogers: Yeah

    [10:40pm] balunasj: good, so you are in pretty good shape - just need tech reviews, and updated info on some new components.

    [10:40pm] serogers: Yeah

    [10:40pm] balunasj: great

    [10:41pm] balunasj: thats all  had for today - anything else for now?

    [10:41pm] serogers: No, I think that's it

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    [10:42pm] balunasj: serogers: ok then thanks, and we'll talk again on thursday

    [10:42pm] balunasj: and figure out the remaining info o