[11:00pm] juank_prada: how are you doing?

[11:00pm] serogers: Good, how are you?

[11:01pm] juank_prada: good... I was hoping either you or Jay, logged in... I'm having trouble committing changes to the svn repo

[11:01pm] serogers: Hmm, I'm not sure I will be much help there, unfortunately

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[11:03pm] juank_prada: Its ok, I wanted to let you know the reason I havent sent any changes yet

[11:03pm] balunasj: serogers: sorry for being a little late

[11:03pm] juank_prada: Hi balunasj

[11:03pm] serogers: balunasj: hi, no problem

[11:03pm] balunasj: good morning juank_prada

[11:03pm] juank_prada: balunasj, how are you today?

[11:03pm] balunasj: serogers: don't let me interupt

[11:03pm] balunasj: juank_prada: Good, just running in a little late

[11:04pm] balunasj: 3 minutes is not bad though

[11:04pm] juank_prada: balunasj, it isnt

[11:04pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: ping - are you here?

[11:04pm] balunasj: serogers: juank_prada: so what were you guys talking about?

[11:04pm] serogers: juank_prada is having trouble committing to SVN

[11:04pm] juank_prada: I was telling serogers that I've had problems commiting changes to the SVN

[11:05pm] balunasj: juank_prada: ah - I know why   you don't have commit rights yet

[11:05pm] juank_prada: I think I might have commit rights... neither in annonsvn or svn

[11:06pm] juank_prada: *might need

[11:06pm] juank_prada: hehe

[11:06pm] balunasj: juank_prada: I was thinking for this first jira we can work with patches, or attached files.

[11:06pm] juank_prada: oh... I thought annonsvn was like for public commits... just what I thought

[11:07pm] balunasj: juank_prada: then if all works out, we can get you commit rights - sound ok?

[11:07pm] juank_prada: fair enough!

[11:07pm] balunasj: juank_prada: annonsvn can not commit at all

[11:07pm] balunasj: only the regular svn

[11:07pm] juank_prada: oh.. hehe then I was completely wrong

[11:07pm] • balunasj although thinking of moving to git at some point - but that is future

[11:08pm] balunasj: juank_prada: no problem - I know every project does it different.

[11:08pm] juank_prada: how can I send one of the files for revision?

[11:08pm] juank_prada: although.. I think we should start with the meeting, and perhaps discuss this later?

[11:09pm] balunasj: juank_prada: you can either attach an updates file, or a patch for the files, and I'll apply it, and review

[11:09pm] balunasj: juank_prada: sure - I have some meetings later, but should be around

[11:10pm] balunasj: serogers: The main things I wanted to discuss with you where

[11:10pm] balunasj: were:

[11:10pm] juank_prada: ok then... I'll upload the file in jira

[11:10pm] balunasj: 1) doc status

[11:10pm] balunasj: 1.1) dev guide

[11:10pm] balunasj: 1.2) component guide

[11:10pm] balunasj: 2) showcase text review

[11:11pm] balunasj: 2.1) best way to do this

[11:11pm] balunasj: lets start with that - and see where it leads

[11:11pm] serogers: OK.

[11:11pm] balunasj: serogers: so how are the docs doing?

[11:11pm] serogers: 1) I'm pretty comfortable with overall doc status at the moment

[11:12pm] serogers: 1.1) The dev guide will need a major review, but the first draft is complete.

[11:12pm] balunasj: serogers: both dev and component guides?

[11:13pm] serogers: 1.2) component guide is on schedule, though I haven't got the details for push yet so that may not make CR1

[11:13pm] balunasj: serogers: ok great - I'll print the dev guide and review it.

[11:13pm] balunasj: 1.2) that is ok, we can talk with Ilya and nick about the push details for you.  I know nick

[11:14pm] balunasj: was making some changes and blogs got pushed ( no punn intended )

[11:14pm] balunasj: can you send an email to them about it and we'll make sure the ball is moving

[11:15pm] serogers: OK, no problem

[11:15pm] balunasj: serogers: great

[11:15pm] balunasj: serogers: as for timing of the docs

[11:16pm] balunasj: I need to think more, but I may be ok with the docs releasing CR2 version at the same time as the project goes Final

[11:16pm] balunasj: then you could follow up with a Final release shortly after any further updates are completed

[11:16pm] balunasj: since docs are separate svn tree, and all that

[11:16pm] balunasj: it is one of the benifits

[11:17pm] balunasj: thoughts?

[11:18pm] serogers: I think my preference would be to release Final together if possible, but if you think we might need more time then I guess we could release later.

[11:19pm] balunasj: sure - I would prefer that as well - but if needed for some reason we have the option

[11:19pm] serogers: Yeah, good to have the option

[11:19pm] balunasj: I know ilya_shaikovsky has been getting through some of the doc reviews as well, so hopefully things are ok on that end

[11:20pm] serogers: Yes, he's been great.

[11:20pm] balunasj: serogers: ok great

[11:21pm] balunasj: serogers: anything else specific to the docs?

[11:21pm] serogers: No, I think that's all looking good. I'll send out an email about Push tomorrow

[11:21pm] balunasj: ok great

[11:22pm] balunasj: So next up is talking about the showcase text

[11:22pm] balunasj: it is in need of some TLC - I was thinking perhaps we can split the job

[11:22pm] serogers: OK

[11:22pm] balunasj: to be clear - what I mean in the text in the demo itself

[11:23pm] serogers: Yeah

[11:23pm] balunasj: hopefully should not take too long, but we need to review for grammar and clearity, etc...

[11:23pm] balunasj: do you have a problem with modifing the source files directly for that?

[11:23pm] balunasj: such as :

[11:23pm] ilya_shaikovsky: hi guys..

[11:24pm] ilya_shaikovsky: sorry I'm late

[11:24pm] serogers: hi ilya_shaikovsky

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[11:24pm] balunasj: serogers: http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/richfaces/branches/4.0.X/examples/richfaces-showcase/src/main/webapp/richfaces/calendar/calendar.xhtml

[11:24pm] balunasj: Hi ilya_shaikovsky

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[11:24pm] juank_prada: hi ilya_shaikovsky

[11:24pm] balunasj: that was quick

[11:25pm] balunasj: Ilya's IRC client likes to crash

[11:25pm] serogers: balunasj: Yeah, that would be no trouble

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[11:25pm] serogers: I assume the files are in SVN? I haven't looked...

[11:25pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: just made a comment about your short meeting time

[11:26pm] ilya_shaikovsky: that's the client

[11:26pm] • balunasj just joking...

[11:26pm] balunasj: serogers: Yup the files are in SVN and we'll make updated in the 4.0.X branch

[11:26pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: just talking about reviewing the showcase text

[11:27pm] balunasj: for grammar, and clearity

[11:27pm] balunasj: etc...

[11:27pm] balunasj: serogers and I are going to split it.

[11:27pm] ilya_shaikovsky: yes I looked through the log

[11:27pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: ah

[11:27pm] balunasj: serogers: I'll create a RF or RFPL jira with subtasks and we can split it up.

[11:28pm] serogers: OK

[11:28pm] ilya_shaikovsky: that sounds good.. probably that would be easier to do that earlier and together with demos creation one by one.. but missed that and so we need to that do now for sure

[11:28pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: yeah, but no worries - we've all had other things going on

[11:28pm] balunasj: just want to get to it before Final

[11:29pm] ilya_shaikovsky: good

[11:29pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: what are your thoughts on the push example, and info for serogers - how it that looking?

[11:30pm] ilya_shaikovsky: yes.. that's big item which I plan to start tommorow.. I have only one review (tree) to finish today.. and there is not much remained.. and then could start with push

[11:31pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: excellent thanks

[11:31pm] balunasj: any one else have topics for docs?

[11:31pm] ilya_shaikovsky: B.t.w. one more item out of agenda - I made Migration wiki's live yesterday.. so need to check forums for possible feedback there also

[11:31pm] • balunasj looking though my list...

[11:32pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: good point - and another thing to review through

[11:32pm] serogers: ilya_shaikovsky: I saw the migration stuff, but haven't had a chance to review it. Looks good as a start!

[11:33pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: How muc from serogers migration guide can just be shifted over?

[11:33pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: It might be more "pick and choose" than a bulk move over

[11:33pm] ilya_shaikovsky: Thanks Sean.. there are base component's related stuff which I could write without looking to code and demos.. now need to extend it with details..

[11:35pm] ilya_shaikovsky: balunasj in component related sections there were not much to pick. Actually I tried to add as much as could into commets section(details of changes).. And the old migration doc contained mostly of the change naming stuff. But could look into more for other areas like base upgrade/config etc...

[11:36pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: ok that makes sense

[11:36pm] ilya_shaikovsky: there are more usefull ready to use info, so yes I will use it..

[11:37pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: ok great

[11:38pm] balunasj: so any thing else about docs for this meeting?

[11:38pm] juank_prada: I just attached a file to https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10583

[11:38pm] jbossbot: jira [RF-10583] Review 4.0.0 project readme files, and update as possible [Open (Unresolved) Task, Major, Juan Camilo Prada] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10583

[11:38pm] 84XAAABJF: [#RF-10583] Review 4.0.0 project readme files, and update as possible [Open, Major, Juan Camilo Prada]

[11:38pm] serogers: Nothing else from me

[11:39pm] juank_prada: I would like to have it reviewed so other files match the style/formatting as this one after it being reviewed

[11:40pm] balunasj: juank_prada: excellent - ilya_shaikovsky and I will take a look today ( or at least I will ) I know Ilya has a lot on his plate as well, so don't want to speak for him

[11:40pm] juank_prada: great

[11:40pm] ilya_shaikovsky: I will do also if will have time in the evening

[11:40pm] balunasj: juank_prada: first glace it looks nice

[11:40pm] balunasj: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/attachment/12341450/readme-ui.txt

[11:40pm] juank_prada: I'm not sure if there is info missing... I think the file covers pretty much the basic

[11:41pm] balunasj: juank_prada: but I'll need to review more to spot missing items

[11:41pm] juank_prada: sure

[11:42pm] balunasj: ok guys - anything else, or are we all set?

[11:42pm] juank_prada: One thing though, In the header I put in the date of the release (right now it is not accurate, but it should be updated with the release date for each version... not sure how it sounds

[11:42pm] ilya_shaikovsky: agree the layout looks much better

[11:42pm] balunasj: juank_prada: problem with date is that is not known when tagged

[11:42pm] balunasj: juank_prada: better to put month-year like March 2011

[11:43pm] juank_prada: balunasj, sure.. I was thinking there would be problems with that...

[11:43pm] serogers: Looks pretty good to me, juank_prada

[11:43pm] balunasj: It will have the tag name in somewhere for sure though and that is defining identifier

[11:43pm] juank_prada: serogers, thank you

[11:44pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: we should actually discuss tagging schemes for CRx and Final

[11:44pm] juank_prada: then, I'll wait for review, change accordingly and modify other files to match this one

[11:44pm] balunasj: The guide from jboss.org does not show timestamp in those, but I find it useful for respins

[11:45pm] balunasj: juank_prada: sounds great - at this point it is more about content - the formatting looks good to me

[11:45pm] juank_prada: great, thanks balunasj

[11:46pm] balunasj: ilya_shaikovsky: we can save the naming for another meeting though - perhaps the staff meeting

[11:46pm] balunasj: anything else before we wrap up?

[11:47pm] ilya_shaikovsky: balunasj ok let's discuss at staff

[11:47pm] ilya_shaikovsky: none from me

[11:47pm] serogers: Nothing more from me

[11:47pm] balunasj: ok - all - thanks for joining and we'll talk later

[11:47pm] juank_prada: nothing from me

[11:47pm] juank_prada: thank you guys

[11:47pm] balunasj: juank_prada: sounds good

[11:48pm] juank_prada: balunasj, anything missing?

[11:49pm] balunasj: juank_prada: you mean from the readme?  have not looked yet - I'll try to review later today

[11:50pm] juank_prada: balunasj, oh.. I thought you were saiyng the content sounds good... although now that I think about it, you would have said 'looks good'... hehe nevermind

[11:52pm] balunasj: juank_prada: no worries - we'll talk later