"bryanerank" wrote:
I see there is a new book due out..

Core JBoss 3.X: J2EE Application Development and Deployment
by Wellie Chao (Author) (Paperback)

I've got the money to purchase it, or the "official" jboss doc. I want to help support the effort, but after reading the quick start (guideQuickStart-30x.pdf), I had the urge to correct a bunch of casual errors, generate a new PDF, and read it again. The worst part was I couldn't trust when I was wrong vs. when the doc had an error anymore. Seems like the doc should be smarter than StupidDog and me. Shouldn't it?

Anyone that's been through the learning curve provide a little insight? Suck it up and deal with it, by the Chao book, move on to SUN, or WS?

Oh, Mr Fleury himself.
I work with jboss for about 1 1/2 years. After a phase of euphoria at the beginning, I became more and more frustrated.

No, jboss sure is not a free product. You can tell whatever you want, to call it "free" is just something like a marketing gag. We not only need the documentation, but also a support contract - which is really expensive.

You could expect the documentation to be good, then. But it isn't. It has uncountable lacks of information - and this forum is not half as good as you promise it in all the forewords...

I could be part of it? Sure: if I want to write a free documentation, I have the problems that a lot of important parts of jboss get changed from version to version. I'm pretty sure you do that to avert free and complete documentation to make your customers buy the documents.
And I sure will not work free on something I have to pay!!!

And this forum sure is another alibi-support-plattform. I surfed here for hours and hours and didn't get the information I need - either it is dated or you get only half of the answer.

Sorry, but I definitly disadvise using jboss.
Perhaps it's quite good - but I don't have the time to step through the whole source code and I don't want to spend oodles of money for support contracts for a product which is so-called "free".

I get this output for both true and false for this line in jboss-service.xml:

requireSTARTTLSfalse

Is that the right property you were referring to? Maybe there's another I missed?


22:07:10,979 DEBUG [CmdSTARTTLS] STARTTLS command handler called
[junit] res was 220 Ready to start TLS
[junit] Tests run: 1, Failures: 0, Errors: 0, Time elapsed: 4.997 sec
[junit] Output:
[junit] configureMBeanServerFactory
[junit] not returning from allready run
[junit] got the server impl
[junit] done setting up properties
[junit] 22:07:08,084 WARN [Server] Caught Throwable Error, this probably means we've already set the URLStreamHAndlerFactory before

"bryanerank" wrote:
I see there is a new book due out..

Core JBoss 3.X: J2EE Application Development and Deployment
by Wellie Chao (Author) (Paperback)

I've got the money to purchase it, or the "official" jboss doc. I want to help support the effort, but after reading the quick start (guideQuickStart-30x.pdf), I had the urge to correct a bunch of casual errors, generate a new PDF, and read it again. The worst part was I couldn't trust when I was wrong vs. when the doc had an error anymore. Seems like the doc should be smarter than StupidDog and me. Shouldn't it?

Anyone that's been through the learning curve provide a little insight? Suck it up and deal with it, by the Chao book, move on to SUN, or WS?

Websphere definitively needs better documenatation. So better documentation is not really a pro for Websphere.

Thanks, documentation team. ;(

Jboss is great, gives people an opportunity to learn, develop, and then deploy J2EE without spending the big bucks on the other guys...but....

I do agree the present lack of documentation, and the lack of consolidation of what are some great examples by non-jboss people, is frustrating when (as the title points out) you spend hours to figure out how to do something trivial.

Me, I keep all my code, all my configs, and all my jboss versions for every project I do for reference, as well as a stack of PRINTED website examples/snippets and zipped folders of other peoples examples. Even then, One example/snippet with XDoclet I have to work-around to merge in someone elses hand-written code/config and then combine with ANT/Maven/Netbeans/Eclipse.

Personally, I would recommend some standard configuration documentation, but then support dev-environment-based support sites with examples that are consistent across all the dev-environments.
http://java.sun.com/developer/releases/petstore/
http://xpetstore.sourceforge.net/

Here is J2EE.
Here is J2EE w/ Xdoclet.
Here is J2EE w/ Xdoclet on JBoss.
Here is J2EE/.NET w/ Xdoclet on JBoss with JBoss-IDE and Jboss-net-xdoclet.
Any questions?

As an owner of the jboss all docs subscription (hang on, it expired last month, must resubscribe, thanks for reminding me :-) I feel I must comment

I have found the documentation plus the absolutely fabulous support that I get from the forums and mailing list to be far superior to any (so called) commercial support that I have had to pay big bucks for in the past (I'd love to mention names but shouldn't).

But with something as complex as a J2EE server it really does come down to knowing the product as well as you are able to be productive with it. If I have a problem that the doco doesn't help with, then I do have the forums and that extra advantage of an open source server: I *have* the source and it is great quality and not that hard to follow.

As to loosing 8 hours on what seems like a simple (in hindsight) problem, all I can say is '"Welcome to software development".

It happens. I've been doing this for 25 years and it still happens. Having the source at least gives me a fighting chance!

PS: ...and if you report forum-bugs, you just get the answer "report it to a nuke-forum".
Nobody @jboss seems to be interested in having a working forum.

"ppu" wrote:

No, jboss sure is not a free product. You can tell whatever you want, to call it "free" is just something like a marketing gag. We not only need the documentation, but also a support contract - which is really expensive.

"ppu" wrote:

and this forum is not half as good as you promise it in all the forewords...

"ppu" wrote:

I'm pretty sure you do that to avert free and complete documentation to make your customers buy the documents.

"ppu" wrote:

I surfed here for hours and hours and didn't get the information I need

Perhaps it's quite good - but I don't have the time to step through the whole source code and I don't want to spend oodles of money for support contracts

PS: ...and if you report forum-bugs, you just get the answer "report it to a nuke-forum". Nobody @jboss seems to be interested in having a working forum.

Yeah, good point. I would advise you go for more "commercial" appserver.

I agree:

1. documentation:
- good for newbies who have lots of time to read same paragraphs multiple times
- not good because it is always outdated (subscribed 3/4 years ago, got 2 updates :-( and last one for 3.2.2)

2. forums:
- myself I am unable to login in. My username/password combination is valid however after login I need to login, this goes forever...
[this one is resolved! wrong combination of using frames/Hotmail, cookies, and cookie-only authentication on www.jboss.org]

"petino" wrote:

- myself I am unable to login in.