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      • 16. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
        cwash
        • 17. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
          atao

          On http://labs.jboss.com/tools/, it's stated that Seam Tools will include support for seam-gen.

          Where can we find more information?

          • 18. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
            ybxiang.wolf

             

            "tony.herstell@gmail.com" wrote:
            This may not be what you require but I dont use Ant or Seam tools at all.

            I use
            MyEclipse

            Create an EJB3 project and Map the correct files to thew correct "sub" projects (Ear, Jar and War).

            I simply tell MyEclipse where the JBoss Server is and hit 1 button to run the server (the project is automgically deployed for me by MyEclipse using something called exploded deployment).

            The server output (console) is in a MyEclipse window and I can just add in breakpoints and step through the running code within MyEclipse.

            I could not be simpler.


            However; Ant is IDE Neutral so you are going to stuck with Ant from the Seam team as Ant makes sense (I even use it to build the demos to find which files to move where)!

            It Really COULD NOT be easier... I very rarely re-start the server either as any code cahnges are to the "running code"... so you just make a change to the code and carry on.. VERY useful with your JSF pages!



            Thanks for your suggestive reply!

            Yes, I can resolve all problems listed above through all kinds of methods.
            But why cann't JBossTool do as well as netbeans about Seam-plugin???
            How can i persuade those seam-freshers and my boss to use Seam?
            They agree that Seam is good, but will not use it. They still use struts/JSF.

            Netbeans 5.5' Seam-Plug in is really wonderful!!! But netbeans allways die without any reason. I give it enough memory! This plug-in cann't be used in NetBeans 6.0. And new seam-plugin for netbeans cann't be found.
            And my team use Eclipse and refuses to use netbeans!!! And...my lovely seam cann't be accept by my boss!

            Now, i use Seam combining Ant to develop little project for my friend. That's enough for me.

            Maybe many months later, good seam-related tool will be developed for us. I will try to persuade my boss to use Seam again.

            • 19. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
              ybxiang.wolf

               

              "sstrenn" wrote:
              Your posts are rather offensive...

              I've been using seam-gen (command line) along with Red Hat Developer Studio since it went beta, and I have cranked out several web sites in the process. Perhaps you can try to be a bit more constructive with your posts - that way, if you solve any issues, we all benefit.


              ~~~~~~~~~sorry for my bad temper, But i am not on purpose. When RHDS comed out, i was really exciting! But there are too many bugs.
              I should have been patient as a seam-fan. Sorry!

              I hope JBoss tool can learn from NetBeans about SeamPlug-in.
              XML, FACET, JSF Editor in netbeans is really wonderful!!!
              The build.xml generated by netbeans is fine for me!!!
              Almost Everyghing is ok for me, except its Freezing/death without any reason.

              • 20. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                hafidzmalik

                Thanks to ybxiang.wolf for addressing my concern from JBoss Tools (user) forum.

                Now new version of SEAM already available at http://labs.jboss.com/jbossseam/download/index.html. I hope this version will compliment the available version of JBoss Tools or the nightly built being used.

                I'll keep on trying which available version of Seam vs JBoss Tools vs Eclipse. Not that I'm against RHDS or what so ever. JBoss tools is the stepping stone to prove to management what a reliable product it will be.

                • 21. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                  ybxiang.wolf

                  Yes, i never use seam-tools too.
                  Now, i only use Ant.
                  But how to edit FACET? JBPM? Yes, they can be written by hand too.
                  But you will waste more time because of writting errors,etc.

                  As we know, we cann't delete files such as web.xml(in exploded war file) from jboss. So,at last, how to deploy EAR as EXPLODED file and JAR,WAR as archived files automatically???
                  Netbeans5.5 can do it!!!!
                  Why cann't JBoss Tools or RHDS?



                  "supernovasoftware.com" wrote:
                  I have never tried using seam tools, but I am looking for well designed reusable code. My facelets templates are many levels deep. I write every thing by hand and prefer it that way.

                  It gives me better understanding and control. I would only be interested in drag and drop for simple prototyping.
                  ~~~~~~~~~yes, you are right. Netbeans, JBossTool can do it now. But why not get better?

                  Seam gen sets up a working project or just take one of the example and modify.
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~I agree with you, I never use Seam-gen, too simple.

                  I used seam gen to make a seam 2.0 project and then used the seamdisc example to integrate trinidad.
                  ~~~~~~Ha, ha, me too!!!



                  • 22. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                    ybxiang.wolf

                    Tony maybe never come back.
                    He is a superman, i hope i can become superman too.
                    ;-)

                    "saeediqbal1" wrote:
                    Tony could you please post a tutorial on how you do all that? I dont have myeclipse i would rather try doing that using redhat studio.
                    ~~~~~~~~~yes, I love RHDS too!!! But it has too many bugs, and now is trial version. You should not expect too much of it, or you will be hurt deeply just like me.


                    Thanks.


                    • 23. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                      ybxiang.wolf

                      Me too.


                      When i am free, I will dig the whole Jboss forum about seam.


                      "supernovasoftware.com" wrote:
                      If you have time, I would greatly appreciate a tutorial as well.


                      • 24. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                        ybxiang.wolf

                         

                        "monkeyden" wrote:
                        I agree with supernova. The tools that exist today pretty much satisfy my needs. The only thing I really need from a seam tool is to generate the finicky project structure.
                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~This is what i want too. Drag and drop is good too. You should try it, it can easy your job!



                        before I drop dead

                        haha!


                        • 25. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                          pmuir

                          Please bear in mind that RHDS and JBossTools are only in beta at the moment. If you aren't willing to work with the development team and provide feedback about bugs but looking for a supported development environment that just works, you're probably best of waiting for the release of RHDS early this autumn - it comes with the JBoss EAP and should work ootb with it.

                          • 26. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                            ybxiang.wolf

                             

                            "pete.muir@jboss.org" wrote:
                            Please bear in mind that RHDS and JBossTools are only in beta at the moment. If you aren't willing to work with the development team and provide feedback about bugs but looking for a supported development environment that just works, you're probably best of waiting for the release of RHDS early this autumn - it comes with the JBoss EAP and should work ootb with it.


                            Yes, you are right.
                            Sorry, I am just impatient.
                            Now, i wait quietly....

                            • 27. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                              jatsrt

                              Ok, so I think if you are complaining about tools, you may be missing the point of seam.

                              Personally, I use seam-gen to get a project started. After that the entire framework is so simple, I really do not need tools to do anything.

                              I am using Eclipse with standard WTP and nothing from JBoss as far as plugins, it really could not get any simpler.

                              What tools would you want? I really don't see anywhere that they would be helpful.

                              • 28. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                                amitev

                                With standard WTP you don't have code assist

                                • 29. Re: Gavin King: Bad tools of Seam is kill its uses!!!
                                  ybxiang.wolf

                                   

                                  "amitev" wrote:
                                  With standard WTP you don't have code assist

                                  Yes, this is the reason i need tools!!!
                                  You maybe get wrong result by wrong handwriting.
                                  There are so many tags, can you remember all of them and write them completely right???
                                  Yes, you may say "I can refer to API". But the API is huge like a sand in the sea!!!

                                  Tool can make job easier and faster! why refuse tool?
                                  why not refuse modern vehicle vehicle? We can walk too.