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I'm only asking for a status update (as are others on this list).  If JSF2 / Seam2 is DOA, then someone from the Seam team should announce it.  So far, it's taken the route of It works  to  It doesn't quite work  to It will work soon  to  nothing at all.   Seam 3, in it's current state, is a non-starter for us since we are relying on most, if not all, of the Seam 2 functionality.  Primefaces has stopped supporting the 1.1 version (the only version that works with Seam 2).  I'm not keen to move to another framework until Seam 3 is functionally complete with Seam 2.  Thanks for your comments though.

Hi,

I fully agree with Robert on this issue. Please give us a realisatic planning. If you go through the different threads from the last few months, you see the same questions about the choice for Seam-2 / Seam-3 over and over again. I feel a bit disappointed that Seam 3 is not backwards compatible, so its NOT easy to migrate. On top of that the development tools are not the same so you also must migrate there, the docs are not at the Seam-2 level, there is no Seam InAction -release 2 (please Dan; I ame even willing to co-author...)  available etc.etc.  I only wished that the developers of JSF/WELD/SEMA-2 etc. etc. understand that somthing fresh from the lab is hard to sell to decision makers in your organisation. To make it a bit more complex: to make the new stuff run as optimal as possible you should also migrate to JBoss 6 :-( Hello, there are still people running on JBOSS AS 3 and 4 (because their organisation has defined it as the coorporate standard)!!

The JSF-2 matter needs to be seen in this context. From a technological/performance point of view I would like to migrate today, but from a business viewpoint I don't, because it's a risk. Please don't do the you'll have it well... in a couple of weeks because you're dealing with professionals on this forum who understand the basic  planning rulea:

dateOfWorkingRelease = whatTheDevelopersSays +  plannedMonths * 4;

dateOfCommercialRelease = whatTheDevelopersSays -  plannedMonths * 4;

I've used Primefaces, which has a nice set of features, with a lot of (compatibility) bugs in the JSF 1.X environment, which are solved in the JSF 2.X environment. Rich 4 doesn't have the same set of features, so we need to invest in adapting/developing ourselves. I would love to see a simple HowTo JBOSS5/Seam2/JSF2 !

I personally think this question should be shifted to the RedHat commercial department: Do you really want this to be a success or do you want that people go to a far less, but better supported framework as Spring?

Still a happy Seamer,

Leo

@Leo Nice rules.. :).

And yes, I still don't understand with JBoss/Redhat how they supported their own product. I think now a lot of apps going to be production and using seam 2 as core framework, but seems that the commercial section doesn't proud with their own product. Seems that no solid coordination between research team and sales/marketing team.

This is not meant taht I hate JBoss/Redhat, especially seam team. Instead, I want their product well-known and managable. I know they work very hard to make things happen.

Please read Current Seam 2 process.

I am not sure what you mean the commercial section.

Seam 2 is not dead! And it is for sure until Seam team provides Seam 2 backward compatible module for Seam 3. It is in planning.

JSF2 support is targeted for 2.3.0 release. That is for sure slower than I or you are expecting.

The plan is clear, transform Seam build system to maven and create JSF2 support in jboss-seam, jboss-seam-ui, jboss-seam-debug amd other modules which depends on JSF integration. The transformation to maven is close to end and will be announced by releasing 2.3.0-aplha, then continues JSF2 support in 2.3.0-beta.

Although the plan is clear, time variable is changing, due other duties like comercial RedHat support for Seam.

I will try to do 2.3.0-beta release in first half of this year.

Thanks for the reply Marek.  A release during the first half of this year would be great.  If there is anything some of us Seam 2 users can do to help, please let us know!

Marek,

thanks for your reply, Just like Robert, if needed we can help !

Leo

Marek Novotny wrote on May 09, 2011 07:17:


I am not sure what you mean the commercial section.

Well, I mean that, jboss/redhat top management seems doesn't care about their valuable product. Of course that personal opinion, and may bit excessive, I'm sorry for that.

Marek Novotny wrote on May 09, 2011 07:17:


Please read Current Seam 2 process.

And thanks for clarifying it, Marek :).

GREAT to hear JSF 2.0 support is coming to Seam 2, looking forward to it!

Is there any progress on migration? I saw Marek's repository and last update is under May 30.

Can Jboss Seam team make estimations for JSF 2.0 compatibility development and make

donations page, so that community can cover money for dev team. I think it will take no more then 30 days of development for 2-3 people without distracting to seam3, weld, commercial support issues and so on.

I see this is the only way to do it, I'm ready to make donation and think there will be lots of others who think the same.

This issue is very important I but Jboss doing nothing to resolve it, no new people

are hired for example...

Regards, Alex.

Has anyone tried this?  Love to hear the results.

https://github.com/heyoulin/seam2jsf2

I tried this, it fails with errors on simple navigation from pages.xml.

Any feedback from the author about the issues you faced?  I'm just wondering if fixing his patch might be faster than waiting for a new Seam 2.x drop.

Any update on Seam2 support for JSF2?  Anyone? Bueller?