1 Reply Latest reply on Jan 22, 2014 9:46 AM by Lincoln Baxter III

    [forge-dev] Forge 2 - Starting troubles

       

      Hey all,

       

          I managed to get a beginner (who shall be anonymous for now), to try out Forge 2. It turned out to be rather interesting, since he managed to build it from source, install JBossTools-Forge into Eclipse, before running into some issues. I think some of these would affect how we look at usability of Forge in several areas - the tooling in Eclipse, the web site etc.

       

          Some of the questions that were asked were:

       

          1. "Is there an overview or something of forge 1/2 ?"

       

          and later (in response to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpou-FWWatI):

       

          "not really, it tells me more about how powerful it is - but no overview, why I should do what, says I can use it from the command line but I did not spot how, ..."

       

          I think a beginner guide would help here, that would help users who're new to even Java EE.

       

          2. Later on, when using Forge in Eclipse, this feedback was offered:

          "I noticed on the 'Forge Run Command' dialog, the Tooltip did not really add much to what could be gained from the command name!

           ...

           possible it might be a good idea to have a variable sized text panel in the bottom half to give a more detailed explanation"

         

          I'm not sure if the Eclipse UI guidelines allow for that, but it's something to consider.

       

          3. Another interesting issue is that of the EE 6/7 POMs being installed into the project:

       

           

      • Selected 'JPA setup' version 2.1

           

      • Selected Wildfly Aplication Server

           

      • Specified: Java EE, forge-default

           

      • Modified HSQLDB to POSTGRES using java:jboss/datasource/ExamplDS as datasource,

           

      • and now pom.xml has <artifactId>jboss-javaee-6.0</artifactId> and other changes

       

           The EE 7 APIs were expected to added here.

       

          I've also raised FORGE-1385 for Java 1.7 support, but that's fixed and should be out in the next release, so it is moot.

       

          Discuss!

       

      Vineet

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        • 1. Re: [forge-dev] Forge 2 - Starting troubles
          Lincoln Baxter III Master

          Great feedback.

           

          #1. The new website should help address the beginner's guide problem.

           

          #2. We have discussed the problem of lack of detailed information in

          eclipse. This is a must.

           

          I'm wondering about #3. The EE7 APIs should be added if you select the EE7

          version of the specification. Is this not working?

           

           

          On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Vineet Reynolds Pereira <

          vpereira@redhat.com> wrote:

           

           

          Hey all,

           

              I managed to get a beginner (who shall be anonymous for now), to try

          out Forge 2. It turned out to be rather interesting, since he managed to

          build it from source, install JBossTools-Forge into Eclipse, before running

          into some issues. I think some of these would affect how we look at

          usability of Forge in several areas - the tooling in Eclipse, the web site

          etc.

           

              Some of the questions that were asked were:

           

              1. "Is there an overview or something of forge 1/2 ?"

           

              and later (in response to this:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpou-FWWatI):

           

              "not really, it tells me more about how powerful it is - but no

          overview, why I should do what, says I can use it from the command line but

          I did not spot how, ..."

           

              I think a beginner guide would help here, that would help users who're

          new to even Java EE.

           

              2. Later on, when using Forge in Eclipse, this feedback was offered:

              "I noticed on the 'Forge Run Command' dialog, the Tooltip did not

          really add much to what could be gained from the command name!

               ...

               possible it might be a good idea to have a variable sized text panel

          in the bottom half to give a more detailed explanation"

           

              I'm not sure if the Eclipse UI guidelines allow for that, but it's

          something to consider.

           

              3. Another interesting issue is that of the EE 6/7 POMs being

          installed into the project:

           

               

          • Selected 'JPA setup' version 2.1

               

          • Selected Wildfly Aplication Server

               

          • Specified: Java EE, forge-default

               

          • Modified HSQLDB to POSTGRES using java:jboss/datasource/ExamplDS

          as datasource,

               

          • and now pom.xml has <artifactId>jboss-javaee-6.0</artifactId> and

          other changes

           

               The EE 7 APIs were expected to added here.

           

              I've also raised FORGE-1385 for Java 1.7 support, but that's fixed and

          should be out in the next release, so it is moot.

           

              Discuss!

           

          Vineet

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