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    [forge-users]  Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)

      Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need to

      install scaffolding :

       

      forge -i scaffold

       

      And then, once in Forge I do :

       

      scaffold-setup

      scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

       

      And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

      previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

      AngularJS....

       

      First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

      generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

      jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

      scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

       

      When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this mean

      it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST, AngularJS,

      Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why don't we have

      :

       

      forge -i scaffold-jsf

      forge -i scaffold-jpa

      forge -i scaffold-rest

      forge -i scaffold-soap

       

      or even better if we follow the new naming convention

       

      forge -i jsf-scaffold

      forge -i jpa-scaffold

      forge -i rest-scaffold

      forge -i soap-scaffold

       

      Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will happen.

      Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

      scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold. Why

      not having :

       

      jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

      jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

      rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

      soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

       

      What do you think ?

      Antonio

       

       

      2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

       

      The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that for

      2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

       

      Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

      resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

       

      Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

      escreveu:

       

      I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both are

      addons. How do I install these addons ?

       

      >

      2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

       

      >> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

      >> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

      >>

      >> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

      >> escreveu:

      >>

      >> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit tight in

      >> schedule....

      >>

      >>

      >> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

      >>

      >>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

      >>>

      >>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final is

      >>> due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

      >>>

      >>> Best Regards,

      >>>

      >>> George

      >>>

      >>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

      >>> escreveu:

      >>>

      >>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

      >>>

      >>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille JUG

      >>> in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving a

      >>> talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

      >>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

      >>> but with few extra features.

      >>>

      >>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits to

      >>> make it run with Forge 2.x are :

      >>>

      >>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

      >>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

      >>> * JSF scaffolding

      >>>

      >>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a Beta5

      >>> so I could use it

      >>>

      >>> Thank

      >>>

      >>> (just joking ;o)

      >>>

      >>>

      >>> --

      >>> Antonio Goncalves

      >>> Software architect and Java Champion

      >>>

      >>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

      >>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

      >>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

      >>>

      >>> _______________________________________________

      >>> forge-users mailing list

      >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

      >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

      >>>

      >>>

      >>> _______________________________________________

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      >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

      >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

      >>>

      >>

      >>

      >>

      >> --

      >> Antonio Goncalves

      >> Software architect and Java Champion

      >>

      >> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

      >>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

      >>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

      >>

      >> _______________________________________________

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      >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

      >>

      >>

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      >>

      >

      >

      --

      Antonio Goncalves

      Software architect and Java Champion

       

      Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

      | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

      | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

       

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      Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> |

      Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

      | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris

      JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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        • 1. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)
          Lincoln Baxter III Master

          Hey Antonio!

           

          Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

           

          First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

          generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

          jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

          scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

           

           

          Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

          interactive or re-consumable about it.

           

          Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I

          believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

          have fixed and tested for .Final -->

          https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

           

          For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have multiple

          scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type, but when I

          run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

           

          $ scaffold-

          scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

          $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

          2.2  2.1  2.0

          $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

           

           

          Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

          completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

          there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

           

          $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

           

           

          ~Lincoln

           

           

          On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

          antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

           

          Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need to

          install scaffolding :

           

          forge -i scaffold

           

          And then, once in Forge I do :

           

          scaffold-setup

          scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

           

          And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

          previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

          AngularJS....

           

          First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

          generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

          jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

          scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

           

          When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this

          mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

          AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

          don't we have :

           

          forge -i scaffold-jsf

          forge -i scaffold-jpa

          forge -i scaffold-rest

          forge -i scaffold-soap

           

          or even better if we follow the new naming convention

           

          forge -i jsf-scaffold

          forge -i jpa-scaffold

          forge -i rest-scaffold

          forge -i soap-scaffold

           

          Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

          happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

          scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold. Why

          not having :

           

          jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

          jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

          rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

          soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

           

          What do you think ?

          Antonio

           

          >

          2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

           

          >> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that for

          >> 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

          >>

          >> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

          >> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

          >>

          >> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

          >> escreveu:

          >>

          >> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both

          >> are addons. How do I install these addons ?

          >>

          >>

          >> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

          >>

          >>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

          >>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

          >>>

          >>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

          >>> escreveu:

          >>>

          >>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit tight

          >>> in schedule....

          >>>

          >>>

          >>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

          >>>

          >>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

          >>>>

          >>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final is

          >>>> due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

          >>>>

          >>>> Best Regards,

          >>>>

          >>>> George

          >>>>

          >>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

          >>>> escreveu:

          >>>>

          >>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

          >>>>

          >>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille JUG

          >>>> in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving a

          >>>> talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

          >>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

          >>>> but with few extra features.

          >>>>

          >>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits to

          >>>> make it run with Forge 2.x are :

          >>>>

          >>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

          >>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

          >>>> * JSF scaffolding

          >>>>

          >>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a

          >>>> Beta5 so I could use it

          >>>>

          >>>> Thank

          >>>>

          >>>> (just joking ;o)

          >>>>

          >>>>

          >>>> --

          >>>> Antonio Goncalves

          >>>> Software architect and Java Champion

          >>>>

          >>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

          >>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

          >>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

          >>>>

          >>>> _______________________________________________

          >>>> forge-users mailing list

          >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

          >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

          >>>>

          >>>>

          >>>> _______________________________________________

          >>>> forge-users mailing list

          >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

          >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

          >>>>

          >>>

          >>>

          >>>

          >>> --

          >>> Antonio Goncalves

          >>> Software architect and Java Champion

          >>>

          >>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

          >>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

          >>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

          >>>

          >>> _______________________________________________

          >>> forge-users mailing list

          >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

          >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

          >>>

          >>>

          >>> _______________________________________________

          >>> forge-users mailing list

          >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

          >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

          >>>

          >>

          >>

          >>

          >> --

          >> Antonio Goncalves

          >> Software architect and Java Champion

          >>

          >> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

          >>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

          >>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

          >>

          >> _______________________________________________

          >> forge-users mailing list

          >> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

          >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

          >>

          >>

          >> _______________________________________________

          >> forge-users mailing list

          >> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

          >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

          >>

          >

          >

          --

          Antonio Goncalves

          Software architect and Java Champion

           

          Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

          | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

          | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

           

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          Lincoln Baxter, III

          http://ocpsoft.org

          "Simpler is better."

           

          • 2. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)

            But if I take your definition :

             

            Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

            interactive or re-consumable about it.

             

            Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

            scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

            entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field. In

            this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

             

            What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

            scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and do

            jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.

             

            My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by

            default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

            install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

             

            Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with no

            extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge -i

            jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm lazy and

            just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i javaee-addon.

             

            My 2 cents

             

            2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

             

            Hey Antonio!

             

            Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

             

            First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

            >> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

            >> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

            >> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

            >

            Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

            interactive or re-consumable about it.

             

            Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I

            believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

            have fixed and tested for .Final -->

            https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

             

            For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have multiple

            scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type, but when I

            run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

             

            $ scaffold-

            >> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

            >> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

            >> 2.2  2.1  2.0

            >> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

            >

            Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

            completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

            there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

             

            $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

             

            >

            ~Lincoln

             

            >

            On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

            antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

             

            >> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need to

            >> install scaffolding :

            >>

            >> forge -i scaffold

            >>

            >> And then, once in Forge I do :

            >>

            >> scaffold-setup

            >> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

            >>

            >> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

            >> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

            >> AngularJS....

            >>

            >> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

            >> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

            >> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

            >> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

            >>

            >> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this

            >> mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

            >> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

            >> don't we have :

            >>

            >> forge -i scaffold-jsf

            >> forge -i scaffold-jpa

            >> forge -i scaffold-rest

            >> forge -i scaffold-soap

            >>

            >> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

            >>

            >> forge -i jsf-scaffold

            >> forge -i jpa-scaffold

            >> forge -i rest-scaffold

            >> forge -i soap-scaffold

            >>

            >> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

            >> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

            >> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold.

            >> Why not having :

            >>

            >> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

            >> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

            >> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

            >> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

            >>

            >> What do you think ?

            >> Antonio

            >>

            >>

            >> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

            >>

            >>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that for

            >>> 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

            >>>

            >>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

            >>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

            >>>

            >>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

            >>> escreveu:

            >>>

            >>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both

            >>> are addons. How do I install these addons ?

            >>>

            >>>

            >>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

            >>>

            >>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

            >>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

            >>>>

            >>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

            >>>> escreveu:

            >>>>

            >>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit tight

            >>>> in schedule....

            >>>>

            >>>>

            >>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

            >>>>

            >>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

            >>>>>

            >>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final

            >>>>> is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

            >>>>>

            >>>>> Best Regards,

            >>>>>

            >>>>> George

            >>>>>

            >>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

            >>>>> escreveu:

            >>>>>

            >>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

            >>>>>

            >>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille

            >>>>> JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving

            >>>>> a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

            >>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

            >>>>> but with few extra features.

            >>>>>

            >>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits to

            >>>>> make it run with Forge 2.x are :

            >>>>>

            >>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

            >>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

            >>>>> * JSF scaffolding

            >>>>>

            >>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a

            >>>>> Beta5 so I could use it

            >>>>>

            >>>>> Thank

            >>>>>

            >>>>> (just joking ;o)

            >>>>>

            >>>>>

            >>>>> --

            >>>>> Antonio Goncalves

            >>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

            >>>>>

            >>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

            >>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

            >>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

            >>>>>

            >>>>> _______________________________________________

            >>>>> forge-users mailing list

            >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

            >>>>>

            >>>>>

            >>>>> _______________________________________________

            >>>>> forge-users mailing list

            >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

            >>>>>

            >>>>

            >>>>

            >>>>

            >>>> --

            >>>> Antonio Goncalves

            >>>> Software architect and Java Champion

            >>>>

            >>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

            >>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

            >>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

            >>>>

            >>>> _______________________________________________

            >>>> forge-users mailing list

            >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

            >>>>

            >>>>

            >>>> _______________________________________________

            >>>> forge-users mailing list

            >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

            >>>>

            >>>

            >>>

            >>>

            >>> --

            >>> Antonio Goncalves

            >>> Software architect and Java Champion

            >>>

            >>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

            >>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

            >>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

            >>>

            >>> _______________________________________________

            >>> forge-users mailing list

            >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

            >>>

            >>>

            >>> _______________________________________________

            >>> forge-users mailing list

            >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

            >>>

            >>

            >>

            >>

            >> --

            >> Antonio Goncalves

            >> Software architect and Java Champion

            >>

            >> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

            >>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

            >>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

            >>

            >> _______________________________________________

            >> forge-users mailing list

            >> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

            >>

            >

            >

            --

            Lincoln Baxter, III

            http://ocpsoft.org

            "Simpler is better."

             

            _______________________________________________

            forge-users mailing list

            forge-users@lists.jboss.org

            https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

             

             

             

             

            --

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            Software architect and Java Champion

             

            Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> |

            Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

            | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris

            JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

            | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

             

            • 3. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)

              So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd, ls,

              touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new commands,

              I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

               

               

              2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

               

              But if I take your definition :

               

              Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

              interactive or re-consumable about it.

               

              Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

              scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

              entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field. In

              this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

               

              What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

              scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and do

              jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.

               

              My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by

              default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

              install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

               

              Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with no

              extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge -i

              jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm lazy and

              just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i javaee-addon.

               

              My 2 cents

               

              2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

               

              Hey Antonio!

              >>

              >> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

              >>

              >> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

              >>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

              >>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

              >>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

              >>

              >>

              >> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

              >> interactive or re-consumable about it.

              >>

              >> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I

              >> believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

              >> have fixed and tested for .Final -->

              >> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

              >>

              >> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have multiple

              >> scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type, but when I

              >> run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

              >>

              >> $ scaffold-

              >>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

              >>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

              >>> 2.2  2.1  2.0

              >>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

              >>

              >>

              >> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

              >> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

              >> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

              >>

              >> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

              >>

              >>

              >> ~Lincoln

              >>

              >>

              >> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

              >> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

              >>

              >>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need

              >>> to install scaffolding :

              >>>

              >>> forge -i scaffold

              >>>

              >>> And then, once in Forge I do :

              >>>

              >>> scaffold-setup

              >>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

              >>>

              >>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

              >>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

              >>> AngularJS....

              >>>

              >>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

              >>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

              >>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

              >>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

              >>>

              >>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this

              >>> mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

              >>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

              >>> don't we have :

              >>>

              >>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

              >>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

              >>> forge -i scaffold-rest

              >>> forge -i scaffold-soap

              >>>

              >>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

              >>>

              >>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

              >>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

              >>> forge -i rest-scaffold

              >>> forge -i soap-scaffold

              >>>

              >>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

              >>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

              >>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold.

              >>> Why not having :

              >>>

              >>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

              >>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

              >>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

              >>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

              >>>

              >>> What do you think ?

              >>> Antonio

              >>>

              >>>

              >>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

              >>>

              >>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that

              >>>> for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

              >>>>

              >>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

              >>>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

              >>>>

              >>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

              >>>> escreveu:

              >>>>

              >>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both

              >>>> are addons. How do I install these addons ?

              >>>>

              >>>>

              >>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

              >>>>

              >>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

              >>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

              >>>>>

              >>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

              >>>>> escreveu:

              >>>>>

              >>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit tight

              >>>>> in schedule....

              >>>>>

              >>>>>

              >>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

              >>>>>

              >>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final

              >>>>>> is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> Best Regards,

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> George

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

              >>>>>> escreveu:

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille

              >>>>>> JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving

              >>>>>> a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

              >>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

              >>>>>> but with few extra features.

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits

              >>>>>> to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

              >>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

              >>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a

              >>>>>> Beta5 so I could use it

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> Thank

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> (just joking ;o)

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> --

              >>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

              >>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

              >>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

              >>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> _______________________________________________

              >>>>>> forge-users mailing list

              >>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>> _______________________________________________

              >>>>>> forge-users mailing list

              >>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>>>>>

              >>>>>

              >>>>>

              >>>>>

              >>>>> --

              >>>>> Antonio Goncalves

              >>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

              >>>>>

              >>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

              >>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

              >>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

              >>>>>

              >>>>> _______________________________________________

              >>>>> forge-users mailing list

              >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>>>>

              >>>>>

              >>>>> _______________________________________________

              >>>>> forge-users mailing list

              >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>>>>

              >>>>

              >>>>

              >>>>

              >>>> --

              >>>> Antonio Goncalves

              >>>> Software architect and Java Champion

              >>>>

              >>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

              >>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

              >>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

              >>>>

              >>>> _______________________________________________

              >>>> forge-users mailing list

              >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>>>

              >>>>

              >>>> _______________________________________________

              >>>> forge-users mailing list

              >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>>>

              >>>

              >>>

              >>>

              >>> --

              >>> Antonio Goncalves

              >>> Software architect and Java Champion

              >>>

              >>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

              >>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

              >>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

              >>>

              >>> _______________________________________________

              >>> forge-users mailing list

              >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>>

              >>

              >>

              >>

              >> --

              >> Lincoln Baxter, III

              >> http://ocpsoft.org

              >> "Simpler is better."

              >>

              >> _______________________________________________

              >> forge-users mailing list

              >> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

              >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

              >>

              >

              >

              --

              Antonio Goncalves

              Software architect and Java Champion

               

              Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

              | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

              | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

               

               

               

               

              --

              Antonio Goncalves

              Software architect and Java Champion

               

              Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> |

              Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

              | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris

              JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

              | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

               

              • 4. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)
                George Gastaldi Master

                Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this separation in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee addons in a single addon for simplicity.

                 

                 

                Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                 

                So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd, ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

                 

                 

                2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                >> But if I take your definition :

                >>

                >> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.

                >>

                >> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field. In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

                >>

                >> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.

                >>

                >> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

                >>

                >> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i javaee-addon.

                >>

                >> My 2 cents

                >>

                >> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                >>

                >>> Hey Antonio!

                >>>

                >>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

                >>>

                >>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user, jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                >>>

                >>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.

                >>>

                >>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and have fixed and tested for .Final --> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

                >>>

                >>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type, but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

                >>>

                >>>> $ scaffold-

                >>>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup 

                >>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

                >>>> 2.2  2.1  2.0 

                >>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

                >>>

                >>>

                >>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

                >>>

                >>>> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

                >>> 

                >>> ~Lincoln

                >>>

                >>>

                >>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                >>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need to install scaffolding :

                >>>>

                >>>> forge -i scaffold

                >>>>

                >>>> And then, once in Forge I do :

                >>>>

                >>>> scaffold-setup

                >>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

                >>>>

                >>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs, AngularJS....

                >>>>

                >>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user, jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                >>>>

                >>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST, AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why don't we have :

                >>>>

                >>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

                >>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

                >>>> forge -i scaffold-rest

                >>>> forge -i scaffold-soap

                >>>>

                >>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

                >>>>

                >>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

                >>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

                >>>> forge -i rest-scaffold

                >>>> forge -i soap-scaffold

                >>>>

                >>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold. Why not having :

                >>>>

                >>>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                >>>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

                >>>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                >>>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                >>>>

                >>>> What do you think ?

                >>>> Antonio

                >>>>

                >>>>

                >>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                >>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

                >>>>>

                >>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

                >>>>>

                >>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                >>>>>>

                >>>>>

                >>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both are addons. How do I install these addons ?

                >>>>>>

                >>>>>>

                >>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                >>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

                >>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

                >>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                >>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit tight in schedule....

                >>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                >>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

                >>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

                >>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>> Best Regards,

                >>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>> George

                >>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/) but with few extra features.

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

                >>>>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

                >>>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a Beta5 so I could use it

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> Thank

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> --

                >>>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                >>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                >>>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France

                >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________

                >>>>>>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                >>>>>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________

                >>>>>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                >>>>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>> --

                >>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                >>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                >>>>>>>>

                >>>>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France

                >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________

                >>>>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                >>>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>>>>>>

                >>>>>>> _______________________________________________

                >>>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                >>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>>>>>

                >>>>>>

                >>>>>>

                >>>>>> --

                >>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                >>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                >>>>>>

                >>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France

                >>>>>> _______________________________________________

                >>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                >>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>>>>

                >>>>> _______________________________________________

                >>>>> forge-users mailing list

                >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>>>

                >>>>

                >>>>

                >>>> --

                >>>> Antonio Goncalves

                >>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                >>>>

                >>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France

                >>>>

                >>>> _______________________________________________

                >>>> forge-users mailing list

                >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>>

                >>>

                >>>

                >>> --

                >>> Lincoln Baxter, III

                >>> http://ocpsoft.org

                >>> "Simpler is better."

                >>>

                >>> _______________________________________________

                >>> forge-users mailing list

                >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                >>

                >>

                >>

                >>

                >> --

                >> Antonio Goncalves

                >> Software architect and Java Champion

                >>

                >> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France

                 

                 

                --

                Antonio Goncalves

                Software architect and Java Champion

                 

                Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France

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                • 5. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)

                  Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge for the

                  first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :

                   

                  $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup | jstl-setup

                  jax-ws-setup

                  jta-setup...

                   

                  These are Java EE commands.

                   

                   

                  This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install

                  JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):

                   

                  alias                       addon-remove                echo

                           more                        unalias                   grep

                                 project-new                 services-list

                  export                      build                       exit

                      pwd             addon-build-and-install     cd                   less

                                 touch

                  addon-install                   ls                          rm

                               transaction-start

                  addon-new-command           clear               mkdir

                  scaffold-generate           man

                   

                  addon-install --named javaee

                   

                  alias                       addon-remove                echo

                           *faces-setup                 jpa-setup           *        more

                                     scaffold-setup

                  unalias                     bean-validation-setup       ejb-setup

                          grep                        jstl-setup                  project-new

                                  services-list

                  export                      build                       exit

                           jax-ws-setup                jta-setup                   pwd

                                    servlet-setup

                  addon-build-and-install     cd                          faces-new-converter

                          jms-setup                   less                        rest-setup

                                   touch

                  addon-install               cdi-setup                   faces-new-validator

                          jpa-new-entity              ls                          rm

                                   transaction-start

                  addon-new-command           clear

                  faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-field               mkdir

                          scaffold-generate           man

                   

                   

                  The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no

                  Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring

                  commands....

                   

                  What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands

                  (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,

                  jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is

                  installed.

                   

                  Anotonio

                   

                   

                  2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                   

                  > Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this separation in

                  > the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee addons in a single

                  > addon for simplicity.

                  >

                  >

                  > Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                  > escreveu:

                  >

                  > So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd, ls,

                  > touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new commands,

                  > I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

                  >

                  >

                  > 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                  >

                  >> But if I take your definition :

                  >>

                  >> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                  >> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                  >>

                  >> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

                  >> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

                  >> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field. In

                  >> this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

                  >>

                  >> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

                  >> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and do

                  >> jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.

                  >>

                  >> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by

                  >> default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

                  >> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

                  >>

                  >> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with no

                  >> extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge -i

                  >> jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm lazy and

                  >> just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i javaee-addon.

                  >>

                  >> My 2 cents

                  >>

                  >> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                  >>

                  >> Hey Antonio!

                  >>>

                  >>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

                  >>>

                  >>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

                  >>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                  >>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                  >>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                  >>> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                  >>>

                  >>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I

                  >>> believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

                  >>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->

                  >>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

                  >>>

                  >>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have

                  >>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type,

                  >>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

                  >>>

                  >>> $ scaffold-

                  >>>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

                  >>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

                  >>>> 2.2  2.1  2.0

                  >>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

                  >>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

                  >>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

                  >>>

                  >>> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> ~Lincoln

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

                  >>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                  >>>

                  >>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need

                  >>>> to install scaffolding :

                  >>>>

                  >>>> forge -i scaffold

                  >>>>

                  >>>> And then, once in Forge I do :

                  >>>>

                  >>>> scaffold-setup

                  >>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

                  >>>>

                  >>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

                  >>>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

                  >>>> AngularJS....

                  >>>>

                  >>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

                  >>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                  >>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                  >>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                  >>>>

                  >>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this

                  >>>> mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

                  >>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

                  >>>> don't we have :

                  >>>>

                  >>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

                  >>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

                  >>>> forge -i scaffold-rest

                  >>>> forge -i scaffold-soap

                  >>>>

                  >>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

                  >>>>

                  >>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

                  >>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

                  >>>> forge -i rest-scaffold

                  >>>> forge -i soap-scaffold

                  >>>>

                  >>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

                  >>>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

                  >>>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold.

                  >>>> Why not having :

                  >>>>

                  >>>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                  >>>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

                  >>>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                  >>>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                  >>>>

                  >>>> What do you think ?

                  >>>> Antonio

                  >>>>

                  >>>>

                  >>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                  >>>>

                  >>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that

                  >>>>> for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

                  >>>>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                  >>>>> escreveu:

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both

                  >>>>> are addons. How do I install these addons ?

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

                  >>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                  >>>>>> escreveu:

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit

                  >>>>>> tight in schedule....

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final

                  >>>>>>> is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> Best Regards,

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> George

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <

                  >>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille

                  >>>>>>> JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving

                  >>>>>>> a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

                  >>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

                  >>>>>>> but with few extra features.

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits

                  >>>>>>> to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

                  >>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

                  >>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a

                  >>>>>>> Beta5 so I could use it

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> Thank

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> (just joking ;o)

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> --

                  >>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                  >>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/>

                  Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                  >>>>>>>

                  LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal>

                  Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                  >>>>>>>

                  Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> _______________________________________________

                  >>>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>> _______________________________________________

                  >>>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>>>>>

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>> --

                  >>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                  >>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/>

                  Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                  >>>>>>

                  LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal>

                  Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                  >>>>>>

                  Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>> _______________________________________________

                  >>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>> _______________________________________________

                  >>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>>>>

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> --

                  >>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                  >>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/>

                  Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                  >>>>>

                  LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal>

                  Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                  >>>>>

                  Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> _______________________________________________

                  >>>>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>> _______________________________________________

                  >>>>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>>>

                  >>>>

                  >>>>

                  >>>>

                  >>>> --

                  >>>> Antonio Goncalves

                  >>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                  >>>>

                  >>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/>

                  Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                  >>>>

                  LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal>

                  Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                  >>>>

                  Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                  >>>>

                  >>>> _______________________________________________

                  >>>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>>

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> --

                  >>> Lincoln Baxter, III

                  >>> http://ocpsoft.org

                  >>> "Simpler is better."

                  >>>

                  >>> _______________________________________________

                  >>> forge-users mailing list

                  >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >>>

                  >>

                  >>

                  >>

                  >> --

                  >> Antonio Goncalves

                  >> Software architect and Java Champion

                  >>

                  >> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/>

                  Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                  >>

                  LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal>

                  Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                  >>

                  Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                  >>

                  >

                  >

                  >

                  > --

                  > Antonio Goncalves

                  > Software architect and Java Champion

                  >

                  > Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/>

                  Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                  >

                  LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal>

                  Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                  >

                  Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                  >

                  > _______________________________________________

                  > forge-users mailing list

                  > forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >

                  >

                  > _______________________________________________

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                  > forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                  > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                  >

                   

                   

                   

                  --

                  Antonio Goncalves

                  Software architect and Java Champion

                   

                  Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/>

                  Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris

                  JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                   

                  • 6. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)

                    To a certain extreme, I would not even expect to have Java commands

                    (java-new-enum, java-new-class...) when I download Forge : this could also

                    be an addon. This way, if I want to install Scala addons instead, I would

                    just go forge -i addon-scala, and then scala-new-class  ;o)

                     

                     

                    2014/1/5 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                     

                    Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge for

                    the first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :

                     

                    $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup | jstl-setup

                    | jax-ws-setup | jta-setup...

                     

                    These are Java EE commands.

                     

                    >

                    This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install

                    JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):

                     

                    alias                       addon-remove                echo

                             more                        unalias                   grep

                                   project-new                 services-list

                    export                      build                       exit

                        pwd             addon-build-and-install     cd                   less

                                   touch

                    addon-install                   ls                          rm

                                 transaction-start

                    addon-new-command           clear               mkdir

                      scaffold-generate           man

                     

                    addon-install --named javaee

                     

                    alias                       addon-remove                echo

                             *faces-setup                 jpa-setup           *        more

                                         scaffold-setup

                    unalias                     bean-validation-setup       ejb-setup

                              grep                        jstl-setup

                    project-new                 services-list

                    export                      build                       exit

                             jax-ws-setup                jta-setup                   pwd

                                      servlet-setup

                    addon-build-and-install     cd

                    faces-new-converter         jms-setup                   less

                             rest-setup                  touch

                    addon-install               cdi-setup

                    faces-new-validator         jpa-new-entity              ls

                             rm                          transaction-start

                    addon-new-command           clear

                    faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-field               mkdir

                            scaffold-generate           man

                     

                    >

                    The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no

                    Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring

                    commands....

                     

                    What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands

                    (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,

                    jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is

                    installed.

                     

                    Anotonio

                     

                    >

                    2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                     

                    >> Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this separation

                    >> in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee addons in a

                    >> single addon for simplicity.

                    >>

                    >>

                    >> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                    >> escreveu:

                    >>

                    >> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd,

                    >> ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new

                    >> commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

                    >>

                    >>

                    >> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                    >>

                    >>> But if I take your definition :

                    >>>

                    >>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                    >>> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                    >>>

                    >>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

                    >>> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

                    >>> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field. In

                    >>> this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

                    >>>

                    >>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

                    >>> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and

                    >>> do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.

                    >>>

                    >>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by

                    >>> default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

                    >>> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

                    >>>

                    >>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with

                    >>> no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge

                    >>> -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm lazy

                    >>> and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i javaee-addon.

                    >>>

                    >>> My 2 cents

                    >>>

                    >>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                    >>>

                    >>> Hey Antonio!

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

                    >>>>

                    >>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

                    >>>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                    >>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                    >>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                    >>>> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I

                    >>>> believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

                    >>>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->

                    >>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

                    >>>>

                    >>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have

                    >>>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type,

                    >>>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

                    >>>>

                    >>>> $ scaffold-

                    >>>>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

                    >>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

                    >>>>> 2.2  2.1  2.0

                    >>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

                    >>>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

                    >>>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

                    >>>>

                    >>>> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> ~Lincoln

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

                    >>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                    >>>>

                    >>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need

                    >>>>> to install scaffolding :

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> forge -i scaffold

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> scaffold-setup

                    >>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

                    >>>>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

                    >>>>> AngularJS....

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

                    >>>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                    >>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                    >>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this

                    >>>>> mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

                    >>>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

                    >>>>> don't we have :

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

                    >>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

                    >>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest

                    >>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

                    >>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

                    >>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold

                    >>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

                    >>>>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

                    >>>>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold.

                    >>>>> Why not having :

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                    >>>>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

                    >>>>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                    >>>>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> What do you think ?

                    >>>>> Antonio

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that

                    >>>>>> for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

                    >>>>>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                    >>>>>> escreveu:

                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose

                    >>>>>> both are addons. How do I install these addons ?

                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

                    >>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

                    >>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <

                    >>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                    >>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit

                    >>>>>>> tight in schedule....

                    >>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                    >>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC,

                    >>>>>>>> 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> Best Regards,

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> George

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <

                    >>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille

                    >>>>>>>> JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving

                    >>>>>>>> a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

                    >>>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

                    >>>>>>>> but with few extra features.

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits

                    >>>>>>>> to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

                    >>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

                    >>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a

                    >>>>>>>> Beta5 so I could use it

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> Thank

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>>

                    >>>>>>>> --

                    >>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                    >>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                    >>>>>>>>

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                    >>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                    >>>>>>>

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                    >>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>> --

                    >>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                    >>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                    >>>>>>

                    >>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                    >>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                    >>>>>

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> --

                    >>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                    >>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                    >>>>>

                    >>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                    >>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                    >>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

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                    >>>>>

                    >>>>

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                    >>>>

                    >>>> --

                    >>>> Lincoln Baxter, III

                    >>>> http://ocpsoft.org

                    >>>> "Simpler is better."

                    >>>>

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                    >>> Software architect and Java Champion

                    >>>

                    >>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                    >>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                    >>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                    >>>

                    >>

                    >>

                    >>

                    >> --

                    >> Antonio Goncalves

                    >> Software architect and Java Champion

                    >>

                    >> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                    >>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                    >>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

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                    >

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                    | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                    | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                     

                     

                     

                     

                    --

                    Antonio Goncalves

                    Software architect and Java Champion

                     

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                    Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                    | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris

                    JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                    | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                     

                    • 7. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)
                      Lincoln Baxter III Master

                      It all depends on which addons you install. If you install "core", you'll

                      get our full addon suite. If you install "shell" you'll get just the shell

                      as you desire, with no additional commands

                       

                       

                      On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com

                      wrote:

                       

                      To a certain extreme, I would not even expect to have Java commands

                      (java-new-enum, java-new-class...) when I download Forge : this could also

                      be an addon. This way, if I want to install Scala addons instead, I would

                      just go forge -i addon-scala, and then scala-new-class  ;o)

                       

                      >

                      2014/1/5 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                       

                      >> Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge for

                      >> the first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :

                      >>

                      >> $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup |

                      >> jstl-setup | jax-ws-setup | jta-setup...

                      >>

                      >> These are Java EE commands.

                      >>

                      >>

                      >> This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install

                      >> JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):

                      >>

                      >>

                      >> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                      >>            more                        unalias                   grep

                      >>                  project-new                 services-list

                      >> export                      build                       exit

                      >>       pwd             addon-build-and-install     cd                   less

                      >>                  touch

                      >> addon-install                   ls                          rm

                      >>                transaction-start

                      >> addon-new-command           clear               mkdir

                      >>   scaffold-generate           man

                      >>

                      >> addon-install --named javaee

                      >>

                      >>

                      >> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                      >>            *faces-setup                 jpa-setup           *

                      >> more                        scaffold-setup

                      >> unalias                     bean-validation-setup       ejb-setup

                      >>           grep                        jstl-setup

                      >>  project-new                 services-list

                      >> export                      build                       exit

                      >>            jax-ws-setup                jta-setup                   pwd

                      >>                     servlet-setup

                      >> addon-build-and-install     cd

                      >>  faces-new-converter         jms-setup                   less

                      >>          rest-setup                  touch

                      >> addon-install               cdi-setup

                      >> faces-new-validator         jpa-new-entity              ls

                      >>          rm                          transaction-start

                      >> addon-new-command           clear

                      >> faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-field               mkdir

                      >>         scaffold-generate           man

                      >>

                      >>

                      >> The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no

                      >> Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring

                      >> commands....

                      >>

                      >>  What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands

                      >> (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,

                      >> jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is

                      >> installed.

                      >>

                      >> Anotonio

                      >>

                      >>

                      >> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                      >>

                      >>> Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this separation

                      >>> in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee addons in a

                      >>> single addon for simplicity.

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                      >>> escreveu:

                      >>>

                      >>> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd,

                      >>> ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new

                      >>> commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                      >>>

                      >>>> But if I take your definition :

                      >>>>

                      >>>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                      >>>> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

                      >>>> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

                      >>>> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field.

                      >>>> In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

                      >>>> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and

                      >>>> do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by

                      >>>> default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

                      >>>> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with

                      >>>> no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge

                      >>>> -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm

                      >>>> lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i

                      >>>> javaee-addon.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> My 2 cents

                      >>>>

                      >>>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Hey Antonio!

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

                      >>>>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                      >>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                      >>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                      >>>>> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I

                      >>>>> believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

                      >>>>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->

                      >>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have

                      >>>>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type,

                      >>>>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> $ scaffold-

                      >>>>>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

                      >>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

                      >>>>>> 2.2  2.1  2.0

                      >>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

                      >>>>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

                      >>>>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> ~Lincoln

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

                      >>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first

                      >>>>>> need to install scaffolding :

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> forge -i scaffold

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> scaffold-setup

                      >>>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

                      >>>>>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

                      >>>>>> AngularJS....

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

                      >>>>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                      >>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                      >>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does

                      >>>>>> this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

                      >>>>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

                      >>>>>> don't we have :

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

                      >>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

                      >>>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest

                      >>>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

                      >>>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

                      >>>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold

                      >>>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

                      >>>>>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

                      >>>>>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold.

                      >>>>>> Why not having :

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                      >>>>>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

                      >>>>>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                      >>>>>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> What do you think ?

                      >>>>>> Antonio

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that

                      >>>>>>> for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

                      >>>>>>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <

                      >>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose

                      >>>>>>> both are addons. How do I install these addons ?

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

                      >>>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <

                      >>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit

                      >>>>>>>> tight in schedule....

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC,

                      >>>>>>>>> 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> Best Regards,

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> George

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <

                      >>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the

                      >>>>>>>>> Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be

                      >>>>>>>>> giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

                      >>>>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

                      >>>>>>>>> but with few extra features.

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing

                      >>>>>>>>> bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

                      >>>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

                      >>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a

                      >>>>>>>>> Beta5 so I could use it

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> Thank

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> --

                      >>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                      >>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      >>>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      >>>>>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________

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                      >>>>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                      >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>>

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                      >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>> --

                      >>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                      >>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      >>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      >>>>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________

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                      >>>>>>>>

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                      >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> --

                      >>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                      >>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      >>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      >>>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> _______________________________________________

                      >>>>>>> forge-users mailing list

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                      >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>> _______________________________________________

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                      >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>>>>>

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> --

                      >>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                      >>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      >>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      >>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>> _______________________________________________

                      >>>>>> forge-users mailing list

                      >>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                      >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> --

                      >>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III

                      >>>>> http://ocpsoft.org

                      >>>>> "Simpler is better."

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> _______________________________________________

                      >>>>> forge-users mailing list

                      >>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                      >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>

                      >>>>

                      >>>>

                      >>>> --

                      >>>> Antonio Goncalves

                      >>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      >>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      >>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                      >>>>

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>> --

                      >>> Antonio Goncalves

                      >>> Software architect and Java Champion

                      >>>

                      >>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      >>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      >>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                      >>>

                      >>> _______________________________________________

                      >>> forge-users mailing list

                      >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                      >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>> _______________________________________________

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                      >>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                      >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                      >>>

                      >>

                      >>

                      >>

                      >> --

                      >> Antonio Goncalves

                      >> Software architect and Java Champion

                      >>

                      >> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      >>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      >>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                      >>

                      >

                      >

                      --

                      Antonio Goncalves

                      Software architect and Java Champion

                       

                      Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                      | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                      | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                       

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                      Lincoln Baxter, III

                      http://ocpsoft.org

                      "Simpler is better."

                       

                      • 8. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)

                        In red below, the new commands between shell, core and scaffold.

                         

                        First, core has Java EE stuff... so why not go for javaee instead of

                        core(you could have Spring, Play with Scala or whatever other addons).

                        And

                        sorry to bring that again and again but I don't see the point of a sepeate

                        scaffold addon. For me, as a user, there is no difference between

                        scaffolding and generation. A jpa-new-entity is the same as a

                        jpa-scaffold-from-db, a rest-new-enpoint is the same as a

                        rest-scaffold-from-entity.

                         

                        Technically, generation and scaffolding are maybe different, but for a

                        user, I would love to install the javaee addon, and do a rest-new-enpoint

                        and rest-scaffold-from-entity. One day, I will install the spring addon

                        and do a mvc-new-controller and mvc-scaffold-from-entity.

                         

                        $ forge -i shell

                         

                        $ TAB

                        alias              export             clear              exit

                        less               mkdir              pwd                services-list

                        transaction-start

                        unalias            cd                 echo               grep

                        ls                 more               rm                 touch

                        man

                         

                         

                        $ forge -i core

                         

                        $ TAB

                        alias                       addon-new-command           cdi-setup

                                faces-new-converter         jax-ws-setup

                        jstl-setup                 more                        services-list

                        unalias                     addon-remove                clear

                                faces-new-validator         jms-setup                   jta-setup

                                        project-new                 servlet-setup

                        export                      bean-validation-setup       echo

                                 faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-entity              less

                                         pwd                         touch

                        addon-build-and-install     build                       ejb-setup

                                faces-setup                 jpa-new-field               ls

                                         rest-setup                  transaction-start

                        addon-install               cd                          exit

                                 grep                        jpa-setup                   mkdir

                                          rm                          man

                         

                         

                        $ forge -i scaffold

                         

                        $ TAB

                        alias                       addon-new-command           cdi-setup

                                faces-new-converter         jax-ws-setup                jstl-setup

                                         more                        scaffold-generate

                        transaction-start

                        unalias                     addon-remove                clear

                                faces-new-validator         jms-setup                   jta-setup

                                        project-new                 scaffold-setup              man

                        export                      bean-validation-setup       echo

                                 faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-entity              less

                                         pwd                         services-list

                        addon-build-and-install     build                       ejb-setup

                                faces-setup                 jpa-new-field               ls

                                         rest-setup                  servlet-setup

                        addon-install               cd                          exit

                                 grep                        jpa-setup                   mkdir

                                          rm                          touch

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                        2014/1/6 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                         

                        It all depends on which addons you install. If you install "core", you'll

                        get our full addon suite. If you install "shell" you'll get just the shell

                        as you desire, with no additional commands

                         

                        >

                        On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Antonio Goncalves <

                        antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                         

                        >> To a certain extreme, I would not even expect to have Java commands

                        >> (java-new-enum, java-new-class...) when I download Forge : this could also

                        >> be an addon. This way, if I want to install Scala addons instead, I would

                        >> just go forge -i addon-scala, and then scala-new-class  ;o)

                        >>

                        >>

                        >> 2014/1/5 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                        >>

                        >>> Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge for

                        >>> the first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :

                        >>>

                        >>> $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup |

                        >>> jstl-setup | jax-ws-setup | jta-setup...

                        >>>

                        >>> These are Java EE commands.

                        >>>

                        >>>

                        >>> This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install

                        >>> JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):

                        >>>

                        >>>

                        >>> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                        >>>            more                        unalias                   grep

                        >>>                  project-new                 services-list

                        >>> export                      build                       exit

                        >>>       pwd             addon-build-and-install     cd                   less

                        >>>                  touch

                        >>> addon-install                   ls                          rm

                        >>>                transaction-start

                        >>> addon-new-command           clear               mkdir

                        >>>     scaffold-generate           man

                        >>>

                        >>> addon-install --named javaee

                        >>>

                        >>>

                        >>> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                        >>>            *faces-setup                 jpa-setup           *

                        >>> more                        scaffold-setup

                        >>> unalias                     bean-validation-setup       ejb-setup

                        >>>             grep                        jstl-setup

                        >>>  project-new                 services-list

                        >>> export                      build                       exit

                        >>>            jax-ws-setup                jta-setup                   pwd

                        >>>                     servlet-setup

                        >>> addon-build-and-install     cd

                        >>>  faces-new-converter         jms-setup                   less

                        >>>          rest-setup                  touch

                        >>> addon-install               cdi-setup

                        >>> faces-new-validator         jpa-new-entity              ls

                        >>>          rm                          transaction-start

                        >>> addon-new-command           clear

                        >>> faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-field               mkdir

                        >>>         scaffold-generate           man

                        >>>

                        >>>

                        >>> The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no

                        >>> Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring

                        >>> commands....

                        >>>

                        >>>  What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands

                        >>> (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,

                        >>> jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is

                        >>> installed.

                        >>>

                        >>> Anotonio

                        >>>

                        >>>

                        >>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                        >>>

                        >>>> Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this separation

                        >>>> in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee addons in a

                        >>>> single addon for simplicity.

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                        >>>> escreveu:

                        >>>>

                        >>>> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd,

                        >>>> ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new

                        >>>> commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                        >>>>

                        >>>>> But if I take your definition :

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is

                        >>>>> nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

                        >>>>> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

                        >>>>> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field.

                        >>>>> In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

                        >>>>> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and

                        >>>>> do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by

                        >>>>> default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

                        >>>>> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with

                        >>>>> no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge

                        >>>>> -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm

                        >>>>> lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i

                        >>>>> javaee-addon.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> My 2 cents

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Hey Antonio!

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code

                        >>>>>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                        >>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                        >>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                        >>>>>> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I

                        >>>>>> believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

                        >>>>>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->

                        >>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have

                        >>>>>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type,

                        >>>>>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> $ scaffold-

                        >>>>>>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

                        >>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

                        >>>>>>> 2.2  2.1  2.0

                        >>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

                        >>>>>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

                        >>>>>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> ~Lincoln

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

                        >>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first

                        >>>>>>> need to install scaffolding :

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> forge -i scaffold

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> scaffold-setup

                        >>>>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

                        >>>>>>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

                        >>>>>>> AngularJS....

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and

                        >>>>>>> code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                        >>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                        >>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does

                        >>>>>>> this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

                        >>>>>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

                        >>>>>>> don't we have :

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

                        >>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

                        >>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest

                        >>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

                        >>>>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

                        >>>>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold

                        >>>>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

                        >>>>>>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

                        >>>>>>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold.

                        >>>>>>> Why not having :

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                        >>>>>>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

                        >>>>>>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                        >>>>>>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> What do you think ?

                        >>>>>>> Antonio

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed

                        >>>>>>>> that for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST

                        >>>>>>>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <

                        >>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose

                        >>>>>>>> both are addons. How do I install these addons ?

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

                        >>>>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <

                        >>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit

                        >>>>>>>>> tight in schedule....

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC,

                        >>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> George

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <

                        >>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the

                        >>>>>>>>>> Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be

                        >>>>>>>>>> giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

                        >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

                        >>>>>>>>>> but with few extra features.

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing

                        >>>>>>>>>> bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

                        >>>>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

                        >>>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for

                        >>>>>>>>>> a Beta5 so I could use it

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> Thank

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> --

                        >>>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                        >>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>>>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>>>>>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                        >>>>>>>>>>

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                        >>>>>>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                        >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                        >>>>>>>>>>

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                        >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                        >>>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>> --

                        >>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                        >>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>>>>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                        >>>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________

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                        >>>>>>>>>

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                        >>>>>>>>>

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                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>> --

                        >>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                        >>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>>>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

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                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> --

                        >>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                        >>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>>>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                        >>>>>>>

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                        >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                        >>>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> --

                        >>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III

                        >>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org

                        >>>>>> "Simpler is better."

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> _______________________________________________

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                        >>>>>> forge-users@lists.jboss.org

                        >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> --

                        >>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                        >>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>> --

                        >>>> Antonio Goncalves

                        >>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>>>

                        >>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                        >>>>

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                        >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

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                        >>>>

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                        >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-users

                        >>>>

                        >>>

                        >>>

                        >>>

                        >>> --

                        >>> Antonio Goncalves

                        >>> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>>

                        >>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                        >>>

                        >>

                        >>

                        >>

                        >> --

                        >> Antonio Goncalves

                        >> Software architect and Java Champion

                        >>

                        >> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                        >>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                        >>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

                        >>

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                        >

                        >

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                        http://ocpsoft.org

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                        • 9. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)
                          Lincoln Baxter III Master

                          Hmm, I'm not quite sure I'm following what you want/expect, but I can tell

                          you what I think the difference is between, for example: "jpa-new-entity"

                          and "jpa-scaffold-from-db" based on what I gather from what you've said.

                           

                             - jpa-new-entity

                             - has no knowledge of an existing database

                                - simply allows the users to create a JPA entity, step by step

                             - jpa-scaffold-from-db

                                - requires an existing database

                                - generates a full jpa entity from existing information

                                - name does not make clear what is being created/scaffolded

                           

                          The latter command seems a bit ambiguous, and I'm not sure what will happen

                          if we start using "scaffold" as a general term that is separate from the UI

                          layer. Scaffolding is frequently used to refer to a vertically aligned

                          generated/framework driven approach that results in a CRUD UI. And this

                          starts to blur that line.

                           

                           

                           

                          On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com

                          wrote:

                           

                          In red below, the new commands between shell, core and scaffold.

                           

                          First, core has Java EE stuff... so why not go for javaee instead of core(you could have Spring, Play with Scala or whatever other addons). And

                          sorry to bring that again and again but I don't see the point of a sepeate

                          scaffold addon. For me, as a user, there is no difference between

                          scaffolding and generation. A jpa-new-entity is the same as a

                          jpa-scaffold-from-db, a rest-new-enpoint is the same as a

                          rest-scaffold-from-entity.

                           

                          Technically, generation and scaffolding are maybe different, but for a

                          user, I would love to install the javaee addon, and do a rest-new-enpoint

                          and rest-scaffold-from-entity. One day, I will install the spring addon

                          and do a mvc-new-controller and mvc-scaffold-from-entity.

                           

                          $ forge -i shell

                           

                          $ TAB

                          alias              export             clear              exit

                            less               mkdir              pwd                services-list

                             transaction-start

                          unalias            cd                 echo               grep

                            ls                 more               rm                 touch

                             man

                           

                          >

                          $ forge -i core

                           

                          $ TAB

                          alias                       addon-new-command           cdi-setup

                                    faces-new-converter         jax-ws-setup                jstl-setup                 more                        services-list

                          unalias                     addon-remove                clear

                                    faces-new-validator         jms-setup

                          jta-setup                   project-new                 servlet-setup

                          export                      bean-validation-setup       echo

                                     faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-entity              less

                                               pwd                         touch

                          addon-build-and-install     build                       ejb-setup

                                    faces-setup                 jpa-new-field               ls

                                               rest-setup                  transaction-start

                          addon-install               cd                          exit

                                     grep                        jpa-setup                   mkdir

                                                rm                          man

                           

                          >

                          $ forge -i scaffold

                           

                          $ TAB

                          alias                       addon-new-command           cdi-setup

                                    faces-new-converter         jax-ws-setup

                          jstl-setup                  more                        scaffold-generate          transaction-start

                          unalias                     addon-remove                clear

                                    faces-new-validator         jms-setup                   jta-setup

                                            project-new                 scaffold-setup

                          man

                          export                      bean-validation-setup       echo

                                   faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-entity              less

                                           pwd                         services-list

                          addon-build-and-install     build                       ejb-setup

                                    faces-setup                 jpa-new-field               ls

                                             rest-setup                  servlet-setup

                          addon-install               cd                          exit

                                   grep                        jpa-setup                   mkdir

                                            rm                          touch

                           

                          >

                          >

                           

                          2014/1/6 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                           

                          It all depends on which addons you install. If you install "core", you'll

                          >> get our full addon suite. If you install "shell" you'll get just the shell

                          >> as you desire, with no additional commands

                          >>

                          >>

                          >> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Antonio Goncalves <

                          >> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                          >>

                          >>> To a certain extreme, I would not even expect to have Java commands

                          >>> (java-new-enum, java-new-class...) when I download Forge : this could also

                          >>> be an addon. This way, if I want to install Scala addons instead, I would

                          >>> just go forge -i addon-scala, and then scala-new-class  ;o)

                          >>>

                          >>>

                          >>> 2014/1/5 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                          >>>

                          >>>> Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge for

                          >>>> the first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :

                          >>>>

                          >>>> $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup |

                          >>>> jstl-setup | jax-ws-setup | jta-setup...

                          >>>>

                          >>>> These are Java EE commands.

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install

                          >>>> JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                          >>>>              more                        unalias                   grep

                          >>>>                    project-new                 services-list

                          >>>> export                      build                       exit

                          >>>>         pwd             addon-build-and-install     cd

                          >>>> less                  touch

                          >>>> addon-install                   ls                          rm

                          >>>>                  transaction-start

                          >>>> addon-new-command           clear               mkdir

                          >>>>     scaffold-generate           man

                          >>>>

                          >>>> addon-install --named javaee

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                          >>>>              *faces-setup                 jpa-setup           *

                          >>>> more                        scaffold-setup

                          >>>> unalias                     bean-validation-setup       ejb-setup

                          >>>>             grep                        jstl-setup

                          >>>>  project-new                 services-list

                          >>>> export                      build                       exit

                          >>>>              jax-ws-setup                jta-setup                   pwd

                          >>>>                       servlet-setup

                          >>>> addon-build-and-install     cd

                          >>>>  faces-new-converter         jms-setup                   less

                          >>>>          rest-setup                  touch

                          >>>> addon-install               cdi-setup

                          >>>> faces-new-validator         jpa-new-entity              ls

                          >>>>          rm                          transaction-start

                          >>>> addon-new-command           clear

                          >>>> faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-field               mkdir

                          >>>>         scaffold-generate           man

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no

                          >>>> Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring

                          >>>> commands....

                          >>>>

                          >>>>  What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands

                          >>>> (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,

                          >>>> jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is

                          >>>> installed.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Anotonio

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                          >>>>

                          >>>>> Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this

                          >>>>> separation in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee

                          >>>>> addons in a single addon for simplicity.

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                          >>>>> escreveu:

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd,

                          >>>>> ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new

                          >>>>> commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>>> But if I take your definition :

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is

                          >>>>>> nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

                          >>>>>> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

                          >>>>>> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field.

                          >>>>>> In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

                          >>>>>> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean

                          >>>>>> and do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and

                          >>>>>> JSF.

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by

                          >>>>>> default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

                          >>>>>> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...)

                          >>>>>> with no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon,

                          >>>>>> forge -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if

                          >>>>>> I'm lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i

                          >>>>>> javaee-addon.

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> My 2 cents

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                          >>>>>>

                          >>>>>> Hey Antonio!

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and

                          >>>>>>>> code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                          >>>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                          >>>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing

                          >>>>>>> interactive or re-consumable about it.

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF.

                          >>>>>>> I believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

                          >>>>>>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->

                          >>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have

                          >>>>>>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type,

                          >>>>>>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> $ scaffold-

                          >>>>>>>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

                          >>>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

                          >>>>>>>> 2.2  2.1  2.0

                          >>>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

                          >>>>>>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

                          >>>>>>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> ~Lincoln

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

                          >>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                          >>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first

                          >>>>>>>> need to install scaffolding :

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> scaffold-setup

                          >>>>>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the

                          >>>>>>>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,

                          >>>>>>>> AngularJS....

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and

                          >>>>>>>> code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                          >>>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                          >>>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does

                          >>>>>>>> this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

                          >>>>>>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

                          >>>>>>>> don't we have :

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold

                          >>>>>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will

                          >>>>>>>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command

                          >>>>>>>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or

                          >>>>>>>> scaffold-scaffold. Why not having :

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                          >>>>>>>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

                          >>>>>>>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                          >>>>>>>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> What do you think ?

                          >>>>>>>> Antonio

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                          >>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed

                          >>>>>>>>> that for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

                          >>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the

                          >>>>>>>>> REST resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

                          >>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <

                          >>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                          >>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose

                          >>>>>>>>> both are addons. How do I install these addons ?

                          >>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                          >>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

                          >>>>>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

                          >>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <

                          >>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                          >>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit

                          >>>>>>>>>> tight in schedule....

                          >>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                          >>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC,

                          >>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> George

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <

                          >>>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be

                          >>>>>>>>>>> giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

                          >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

                          >>>>>>>>>>> but with few extra features.

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing

                          >>>>>>>>>>> bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

                          >>>>>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

                          >>>>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for

                          >>>>>>>>>>> a Beta5 so I could use it

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Thank

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> --

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                          >>>>>>>>>>>

                          >>>>>>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>

                          >>>>>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                          >>>>>>>>>>

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                          >>>>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                          >>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                          >>>>>>>>>

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                          >>>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                          >>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                          >>>>>>>>

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                          >>>>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                          >>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org

                          >>>>>>> "Simpler is better."

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                          >>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                          >>>>>>

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                          >>>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                          >>>>>

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>>

                          >>>>> --

                          >>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                          >>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                          >>>>>

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                          >>>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

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                          >>>>

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                          >>>>  | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>

                          >>>>  | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>

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                          >>>

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                          >>>

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                          • 10. Re: [forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)

                            So what commands would you enter to write a JSF/REST application based on

                            an existing database ? This is what I would write :

                             

                            jpa-scaffold-from-db

                            jsf-scaffold-from-entity

                            rest-scaffold-from-entity

                             

                            If the term "scaffolding" is only for the UI, then we will have the

                            following commands

                             

                            jpa-generate-from-db

                            jsf-scaffold-from-entity

                            rest-generate-from-entity

                             

                            Is it what we want ? To have seperate terms ? Scaffolding only for the UI

                            and an other term (e.g. generate) for the entities, rest, soap, ejbs ? It

                            seems a bit confusing to me, but if we clearly state that we scaffold UIs

                            (JSF, Angular...) and generate the rest (entities, ejbs, rest, soap, Spring

                            controllers...), then why not.

                             

                             

                            2014/1/6 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                             

                            Hmm, I'm not quite sure I'm following what you want/expect, but I can tell

                            you what I think the difference is between, for example: "jpa-new-entity"

                            and "jpa-scaffold-from-db" based on what I gather from what you've said.

                             

                               - jpa-new-entity

                               - has no knowledge of an existing database

                                  - simply allows the users to create a JPA entity, step by step

                               - jpa-scaffold-from-db

                                  - requires an existing database

                                  - generates a full jpa entity from existing information

                                  - name does not make clear what is being created/scaffolded

                             

                            The latter command seems a bit ambiguous, and I'm not sure what will

                            happen if we start using "scaffold" as a general term that is separate from

                            the UI layer. Scaffolding is frequently used to refer to a vertically

                            aligned generated/framework driven approach that results in a CRUD UI. And

                            this starts to blur that line.

                             

                            >

                             

                            On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

                            antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                             

                            >> In red below, the new commands between shell, core and scaffold.

                            >>

                            >> First, core has Java EE stuff... so why not go for javaee instead of core(you could have Spring, Play with Scala or whatever other addons). And

                            >> sorry to bring that again and again but I don't see the point of a sepeate

                            >> scaffold addon. For me, as a user, there is no difference between

                            >> scaffolding and generation. A jpa-new-entity is the same as a

                            >> jpa-scaffold-from-db, a rest-new-enpoint is the same as a

                            >> rest-scaffold-from-entity.

                            >>

                            >> Technically, generation and scaffolding are maybe different, but for a

                            >> user, I would love to install the javaee addon, and do a rest-new-enpoint

                            >>  and rest-scaffold-from-entity. One day, I will install the spring addon

                            >> and do a mvc-new-controller and mvc-scaffold-from-entity.

                            >>

                            >> $ forge -i shell

                            >>

                            >> $ TAB

                            >> alias              export             clear              exit

                            >>   less               mkdir              pwd                services-list

                            >>    transaction-start

                            >> unalias            cd                 echo               grep

                            >>   ls                 more               rm                 touch

                            >>    man

                            >>

                            >>

                            >> $ forge -i core

                            >>

                            >> $ TAB

                            >> alias                       addon-new-command           cdi-setup

                            >>             faces-new-converter         jax-ws-setup

                            >>  jstl-setup                  more                        services-list

                            >> unalias                     addon-remove                clear

                            >>             faces-new-validator         jms-setup

                            >> jta-setup                   project-new                 servlet-setup

                            >> export                      bean-validation-setup       echo

                            >>            faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-entity              less

                            >>                        pwd                         touch

                            >> addon-build-and-install     build                       ejb-setup

                            >>             faces-setup                 jpa-new-field               ls

                            >>                        rest-setup                  transaction-start

                            >> addon-install               cd                          exit

                            >>            grep                        jpa-setup                   mkdir

                            >>                       rm                          man

                            >>

                            >>

                            >> $ forge -i scaffold

                            >>

                            >> $ TAB

                            >> alias                       addon-new-command           cdi-setup

                            >>           faces-new-converter         jax-ws-setup

                            >>  jstl-setup                  more

                            >> scaffold-generate           transaction-start

                            >> unalias                     addon-remove                clear

                            >>           faces-new-validator         jms-setup                   jta-setup

                            >>                   project-new                 scaffold-setup

                            >>  man

                            >> export                      bean-validation-setup       echo

                            >>            faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-entity              less

                            >>                    pwd                         services-list

                            >> addon-build-and-install     build                       ejb-setup

                            >>           faces-setup                 jpa-new-field               ls

                            >>                    rest-setup                  servlet-setup

                            >> addon-install               cd                          exit

                            >>            grep                        jpa-setup                   mkdir

                            >>                     rm                          touch

                            >>

                            >>

                            >>

                            >>

                            >>

                            >> 2014/1/6 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                            >>

                            >> It all depends on which addons you install. If you install "core", you'll

                            >>> get our full addon suite. If you install "shell" you'll get just the shell

                            >>> as you desire, with no additional commands

                            >>>

                            >>>

                            >>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Antonio Goncalves <

                            >>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                            >>>

                            >>>> To a certain extreme, I would not even expect to have Java commands

                            >>>> (java-new-enum, java-new-class...) when I download Forge : this could also

                            >>>> be an addon. This way, if I want to install Scala addons instead, I would

                            >>>> just go forge -i addon-scala, and then scala-new-class  ;o)

                            >>>>

                            >>>>

                            >>>> 2014/1/5 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                            >>>>

                            >>>>> Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge

                            >>>>> for the first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup |

                            >>>>> jstl-setup | jax-ws-setup | jta-setup...

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> These are Java EE commands.

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install

                            >>>>> JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                            >>>>>              more                        unalias                   grep

                            >>>>>                    project-new                 services-list

                            >>>>> export                      build                       exit

                            >>>>>         pwd             addon-build-and-install     cd

                            >>>>> less                  touch

                            >>>>> addon-install                   ls                          rm

                            >>>>>                  transaction-start

                            >>>>> addon-new-command           clear               mkdir

                            >>>>>       scaffold-generate           man

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> addon-install --named javaee

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> alias                       addon-remove                echo

                            >>>>>              *faces-setup                 jpa-setup           *

                            >>>>>   more                        scaffold-setup

                            >>>>> unalias                     bean-validation-setup       ejb-setup

                            >>>>>               grep                        jstl-setup

                            >>>>>  project-new                 services-list

                            >>>>> export                      build                       exit

                            >>>>>              jax-ws-setup                jta-setup                   pwd

                            >>>>>                       servlet-setup

                            >>>>> addon-build-and-install     cd

                            >>>>>  faces-new-converter         jms-setup                   less

                            >>>>>          rest-setup                  touch

                            >>>>> addon-install               cdi-setup

                            >>>>> faces-new-validator         jpa-new-entity              ls

                            >>>>>          rm                          transaction-start

                            >>>>> addon-new-command           clear

                            >>>>> faces-new-validator-method  jpa-new-field               mkdir

                            >>>>>         scaffold-generate           man

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no

                            >>>>> Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring

                            >>>>> commands....

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>>  What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands

                            >>>>> (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,

                            >>>>> jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is

                            >>>>> installed.

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> Anotonio

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                            >>>>>

                            >>>>>> Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this

                            >>>>>> separation in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee

                            >>>>>> addons in a single addon for simplicity.

                            >>>>>>

                            >>>>>>

                            >>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                            >>>>>> escreveu:

                            >>>>>>

                            >>>>>> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see

                            >>>>>> cd, ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new

                            >>>>>> commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....

                            >>>>>>

                            >>>>>>

                            >>>>>> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing@gmail.com>

                            >>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> But if I take your definition :

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is

                            >>>>>>> nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is

                            >>>>>>> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of

                            >>>>>>> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field.

                            >>>>>>> In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we

                            >>>>>>> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean

                            >>>>>>> and do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA

                            >>>>>>> and JSF.

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB,

                            >>>>>>> by default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to

                            >>>>>>> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...)

                            >>>>>>> with no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i

                            >>>>>>> jpa-addon, forge -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get

                            >>>>>>> extensions.... and if I'm lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll

                            >>>>>>> go forge -i javaee-addon.

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> My 2 cents

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>

                            >>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>> Hey Antonio!

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and

                            >>>>>>>>> code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                            >>>>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                            >>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is

                            >>>>>>>> nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF.

                            >>>>>>>> I believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and

                            >>>>>>>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->

                            >>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have

                            >>>>>>>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type,

                            >>>>>>>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> $ scaffold-

                            >>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate  scaffold-setup

                            >>>>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.

                            >>>>>>>>> 2.2  2.1  2.0

                            >>>>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB

                            >>>>>>>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so

                            >>>>>>>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> $ scaffold-setup --provider Faces

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> ~Lincoln

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <

                            >>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> wrote:

                            >>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first

                            >>>>>>>>> need to install scaffolding :

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> scaffold-setup

                            >>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in

                            >>>>>>>>> the previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint,

                            >>>>>>>>> EJBs, AngularJS....

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and

                            >>>>>>>>> code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,

                            >>>>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like

                            >>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does

                            >>>>>>>>> this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,

                            >>>>>>>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why

                            >>>>>>>>> don't we have :

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold

                            >>>>>>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what

                            >>>>>>>>> will happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So

                            >>>>>>>>> command scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or

                            >>>>>>>>> scaffold-scaffold. Why not having :

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> jsf-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                            >>>>>>>>> jpa-scaffold  --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client

                            >>>>>>>>> rest-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                            >>>>>>>>> soap-scaffold  --targets org.test.model.Customer

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> What do you think ?

                            >>>>>>>>> Antonio

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                            >>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed

                            >>>>>>>>>> that for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.

                            >>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the

                            >>>>>>>>>> REST resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.

                            >>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <

                            >>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                            >>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose

                            >>>>>>>>>> both are addons. How do I install these addons ?

                            >>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                            >>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.

                            >>>>>>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity

                            >>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <

                            >>>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                            >>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit

                            >>>>>>>>>>> tight in schedule....

                            >>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Beta4.

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC,

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> George

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing@gmail.com> escreveu:

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> but with few extra features.

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> for a Beta5 so I could use it

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> --

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves

                            >>>>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion

                            >>>>>>>>>>>>

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