10 Replies Latest reply on Mar 21, 2014 11:19 AM by George Gastaldi

    [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

      Hi Forge team, Hi George,

       

      Let me briefly introduce myself:

      My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

      Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

       

      I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am familiar

      with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code analysis as

      Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

      Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

       

      And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code 2014.

       

      Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's  GSoC

      mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them with

      you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

      specification.

       

      One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

      investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

      jars.

      I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be even

      more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

       

      Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

       

      Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale plugin

      for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier to use

      comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as engine

      for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display standard

      Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports like

      "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced libraries

      displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the removal.

       

      I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to periodically

      use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the project, to

      remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

      This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

       

      Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

       

         - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in the

         same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to automatically

         recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project, like jars

         inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

         - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse project

         into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too. This way,

         developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the valid

         Tattletale report.

         - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

         report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this,

         Findbugs plugin can do it.

         - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced Libraries

         node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know is this

         possible.

         - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML  report in

         Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to particular class

         listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale does not support

         this.

         - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

         - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies", "Eliminate Jar

         files with different versions", but this should be discussed. This tool

         could have only "advisory" nature and could manage class-path for Maven and

         Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we provide potentially  risky

         options which are managing eclipse project class-path?

         - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

         perspective".

       

       

       

      I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for this

      project, to finish it together?

      In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with basic

      options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

       

      I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

      opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

      used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

      tools.

       

      Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

      suggestions is appriciated.

       

      Best Regards,

      Dejan Simeonov

       

        • 1. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse
          George Gastaldi Master

          Nice to meet you Dejan.

           

          First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

           

          https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

           

          The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE

          implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

          NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

          APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

           

          I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

          There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp

          (Thanks to Ivan).

           

          Best Regards,

           

          George Gastaldi

           

          On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

          Hi Forge team, Hi George,

          Let me briefly introduce myself:

          My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

          Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

          I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am

          familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code

          analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

          Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

          And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code

          2014.

          Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's

          GSoC mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of

          them with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete

          details and specification.

          One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

          investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering

          unused jars.

          I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be

          even more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

          Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

          Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

          plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be

          easier to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool

          could be used as engine for this plugin. The basic plugin  

          implementation  could display standard Tattletale HTML report inside

          the Eclipse, but some sub reports like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar

          files" could "mark" some referenced libraries displayed in the Eclipse

          controls and highlight them for the removal.

          I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to

          periodically  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside

          the project, to remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

          This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

          Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

           

           

          • Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

              the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to

              automatically recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse

              project, like jars inside the project, external jars and Maven

              dependencies.

           

          • This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

              project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included,

              too. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars)

              to create the valid Tattletale report.

           

          • Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

              report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports

              this, Findbugs plugin can do it.

           

          • Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced

              Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do

              not know is this possible.

           

          • This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML  report

              in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to

              particular class listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently

              Tattletale does not support this.

           

          • Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

           

          • We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies", "Eliminate

              Jar files with different versions", but this should be discussed.

              This tool could have only "advisory" nature and could manage

              class-path for Maven and Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure

              should we provide potentially  risky options which are managing

              eclipse project class-path?

           

          • This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

              perspective".

           

          I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for

          this project, to finish it together?

          In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with

          basic options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

          I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

          opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be

          widely used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of

          open-source tools.

          Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

          suggestions is appriciated.

          Best Regards,

          Dejan Simeonov

           

          >

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          • 2. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse

            Hi George,

             

            actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can share my

            thoughts.

            I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I installed

            and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and examples. For

            now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this tool.

            For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with

            crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

            Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

            Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

             

            Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I

            think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon)

            mechanism.

            Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the

            reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we

            should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting

            capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

            So idea is to:

            Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

            The main features of future plugin remains the same as that are previously

            proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

             

               - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in the

               same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically

               recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects

               project.

               - This plugin should include compiled classes of current project into

               report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to

               create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

               - list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple

               Locations report should be used)

               - find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented (Unused

               Jars report should be used).

               - We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies",

               "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool

               is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for

               example, for Maven projects.

               These commands should be able to guide user through step by step process

               of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

               - For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine with

               one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could

               expand support for more type of projects.

               - This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML  report.

             

            I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great tutorial

            here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

            I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with mode

            in-depth proposal.

             

            It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

             

            Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

             

            Thank you

            Dejan

             

            On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

             

            Nice to meet you Dejan.

             

            First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

             

            https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

             

            The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE

            implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

            NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

            APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

             

            I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

            There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp(Thanks to Ivan).

             

            Best Regards,

             

            George Gastaldi

             

            >

            On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

             

            >

            Hi Forge team, Hi George,

             

            Let me briefly introduce myself:

            My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

            Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

             

            I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am familiar

            with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code analysis as

            Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

            Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

             

            And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code 2014.

             

            Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's  GSoC

            mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them with

            you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

            specification.

             

            One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

            investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

            jars.

            I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be even

            more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

             

            Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

             

            Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

            plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier

            to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as

            engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display

            standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports

            like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced

            libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the

            removal.

             

            I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to periodically

            use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the project, to

            remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

            This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

             

            Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

             

               - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

               the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to automatically

               recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project, like jars

               inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

               - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

               project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too.

               This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the

               valid Tattletale report.

               - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

               report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this,

               Findbugs plugin can do it.

               - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced Libraries

               node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know is this

               possible.

               - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML  report

               in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to particular class

               listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale does not support

               this.

               - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

               - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies", "Eliminate

               Jar files with different versions", but this should be discussed. This tool

               could have only "advisory" nature and could manage class-path for Maven and

               Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we provide potentially  risky

               options which are managing eclipse project class-path?

               - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

               perspective".

             

            >

             

            I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for

            this project, to finish it together?

            In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with basic

            options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

             

            I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

            opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

            used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

            tools.

             

            Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

            suggestions is appriciated.

             

            Best Regards,

            Dejan Simeonov

             

            >

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            • 3. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin      for     Eclipse
              George Gastaldi Master

              That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers Forge 1.x. The docs for 2.x are available in github.com/forge/core at the moment. We are working on a new website for Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

               

              Join us on irc.freenode.net @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll be glad to help you out.

               

              Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com> escreveu:

               

              Hi George,

               

              actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can share my thoughts.

              I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I installed and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and examples. For now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this tool.

              For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

              Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

               

              Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon) mechanism.

              Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

              So idea is to:

              Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

              The main features of future plugin remains the same as that are previously proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

              Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in the same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects project.

              This plugin should include compiled classes of current project into report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

              list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple Locations report should be used)

              find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented (Unused Jars report should be used).

              We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies", "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for example, for Maven projects.

              These commands should be able to guide user through step by step process of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

              For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine with one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could expand support for more type of projects.

              This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML  report.

              I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great tutorial here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

              I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with mode  in-depth proposal.

               

              It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

               

              Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

               

              Thank you 

              Dejan

               

              >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com> wrote:

              >> Nice to meet you Dejan.

              >>

              >> First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

              >>

              >> https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

              >>

              >> The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse, NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation     of the Forge APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

              >>

              >> I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have. 

              >> There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp (Thanks to Ivan).

              >>

              >> Best Regards,

              >>

              >> George Gastaldi

              >>

              >>

              >>> On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

              >>> 

              >>> Hi Forge team, Hi George,

              >>> 

              >>> Let me briefly introduce myself:

              >>> My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade,           Serbia.

              >>> 

              >>> I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...            I am familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

              >>> Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

              >>> 

              >>> And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code 2014.

              >>> 

              >>> Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's  GSoC mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and specification.

              >>> 

              >>> One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for  investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused jars.

              >>> I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be even more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

              >>> 

              >>> Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

              >>> 

              >>> Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the removal.

              >>> 

              >>> I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to periodically  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the project, to remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

              >>> This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

              >>> 

              >>> Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

              >>> Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be             placed in the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to automatically recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project, like jars inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

              >>> This plugin should include compiled classes of current             Eclipse project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the valid Tattletale report.

              >>> Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this, Findbugs plugin can do it.

              >>> Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know is this possible.

              >>> This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML  report in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to particular class listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale does not support this.

              >>> Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

              >>> We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies", "Eliminate Jar files with different versions", but this should be discussed. This tool could have only "advisory" nature and could manage class-path for Maven and Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we provide potentially  risky options which are managing eclipse project class-path?

              >>> This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse perspective".

              >>> 

              >>> 

              >>> I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for this project, to finish it together?

              >>> In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with basic options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

              >>> 

              >>> I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source tools.

              >>> 

              >>> Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or suggestions is appriciated.

              >>> 

              >>> Best Regards,

              >>> Dejan Simeonov

              >>>

              >>>

              >>> _______________________________________________

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              >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

              >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

              >>

              >>

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              • 4. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse

                Hi,

                I started working with earlier version, Forge 1.4.4. but I have some issues

                since switched to Forge 2.2.0.

                -Eclipse plugin could not be installed from the Eclipse Update Site -

                http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-forge_master/all/repo/

                Error is:

                Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be

                found.

                  Software being installed: JBoss Tools - Tests - Forge

                1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552

                (org.jboss.tools.forge.ext.test.feature.feature.group

                1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552)

                  ...

                I used Eclipse Juno Service Release 2

                 

                Now, I switched to Eclipse 4.3, Kepler,  I managed to install Forge plugin

                and Forge console works fine, but it is using older Forge, version 1.4.4

                 

                What you prefer: We could implement Tattletale addon for Forge 2, or to be

                more specific, for current official release, Forge 2.3.0.Final, or it is

                better to use older version, 1.4.4?

                What is your opinion? Please advice.

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                 

                That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers Forge 1.x. The docs

                for 2.x are available in github.com/forge/core at the moment. We are

                working on a new website for Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

                 

                Join us on irc.freenode.net @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll be

                glad to help you out.

                 

                Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                escreveu:

                 

                Hi George,

                 

                actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can share my

                thoughts.

                I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I installed

                and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and examples. For

                now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this tool.

                For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with

                crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

                Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

                Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

                 

                Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I

                think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon)

                mechanism.

                Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the

                reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we

                should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting

                capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

                So idea is to:

                Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

                The main features of future plugin remains the same as that are previously

                proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

                 

                   - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

                   the same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically

                   recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects

                   project.

                   - This plugin should include compiled classes of current project into

                   report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to

                   create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

                   - list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple

                   Locations report should be used)

                   - find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented (Unused

                   Jars report should be used).

                   - We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies",

                   "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool

                   is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for

                   example, for Maven projects.

                   These commands should be able to guide user through step by step

                   process of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

                   - For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine with

                   one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could

                   expand support for more type of projects.

                   - This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML  report.

                 

                I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great

                tutorial here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

                I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with mode

                in-depth proposal.

                 

                It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

                 

                Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

                 

                Thank you

                Dejan

                 

                On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                 

                >>  Nice to meet you Dejan.

                >>

                >> First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

                >>

                >> https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

                >>

                >> The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE

                >> implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

                >> NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

                >> APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

                >>

                >> I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

                >> There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp(Thanks to Ivan).

                >>

                >> Best Regards,

                >>

                >> George Gastaldi

                >>

                >>

                >> On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                >>

                >>

                >>  Hi Forge team, Hi George,

                >>

                >> Let me briefly introduce myself:

                >> My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

                >> Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

                >>

                >> I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am

                >> familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code

                >> analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

                >> Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

                >>

                >> And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code

                >> 2014.

                >>

                >> Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's  GSoC

                >> mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them with

                >> you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

                >> specification.

                >>

                >> One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

                >>  investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

                >> jars.

                >> I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be even

                >> more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

                >>

                >> Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

                >>

                >> Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

                >> plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier

                >> to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as

                >> engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display

                >> standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports

                >> like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced

                >> libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the

                >> removal.

                >>

                >> I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to periodically

                >>  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the project, to

                >> remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

                >> This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

                >>

                >> Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

                >>

                >>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

                >>    the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to automatically

                >>    recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project, like jars

                >>    inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

                >>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

                >>    project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too.

                >>    This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the

                >>    valid Tattletale report.

                >>    - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

                >>    report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this,

                >>    Findbugs plugin can do it.

                >>    - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced

                >>    Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know

                >>    is this possible.

                >>    - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML  report

                >>    in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to particular class

                >>    listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale does not support

                >>    this.

                >>    - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

                >>    - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies", "Eliminate

                >>    Jar files with different versions", but this should be discussed. This tool

                >>    could have only "advisory" nature and could manage class-path for Maven and

                >>    Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we provide potentially  risky

                >>    options which are managing eclipse project class-path?

                >>    - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

                >>    perspective".

                >>

                >>

                >>

                >> I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for

                >> this project, to finish it together?

                >> In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with basic

                >> options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

                >>

                >> I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

                >> opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

                >> used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

                >> tools.

                >>

                >> Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

                >> suggestions is appriciated.

                >>

                >> Best Regards,

                >> Dejan Simeonov

                >>

                >>

                >> _______________________________________________

                >> forge-dev mailing listforge-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                >>

                >>

                >>

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                • 5. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse
                  Matt Benson Newbie

                  I know your proposal is due today, so I'll talk out of turn: There is no

                  future in Forge 1. You should be concentrating on Forge 2, but more

                  generally in realistic terms you should aim for your addon to be compatible

                  with whatever the current version of Forge is near the end of the summer if

                  at all possible. I.e., if F3 were to be released it would be similar in

                  most respects to F2, and migration would probably not represent much, if

                  any, burden. Good luck to you!

                   

                  Matt

                  On Mar 21, 2014 7:50 AM, "Dejan Simeonov" <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com> wrote:

                   

                  Hi,

                  I started working with earlier version, Forge 1.4.4. but I have some

                  issues since switched to Forge 2.2.0.

                  -Eclipse plugin could not be installed from the Eclipse Update Site -

                  http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-forge_master/all/repo/

                  Error is:

                  Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not

                  be found.

                    Software being installed: JBoss Tools - Tests - Forge

                  1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552

                  (org.jboss.tools.forge.ext.test.feature.feature.group

                  1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552)

                    ...

                  I used Eclipse Juno Service Release 2

                   

                  Now, I switched to Eclipse 4.3, Kepler,  I managed to install Forge plugin

                  and Forge console works fine, but it is using older Forge, version 1.4.4

                   

                  What you prefer: We could implement Tattletale addon for Forge 2, or to be

                  more specific, for current official release, Forge 2.3.0.Final, or it is

                  better to use older version, 1.4.4?

                  What is your opinion? Please advice.

                   

                  >

                  >

                   

                  On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                   

                  >> That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers Forge 1.x. The docs

                  >> for 2.x are available in github.com/forge/core at the moment. We are

                  >> working on a new website for Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

                  >>

                  >> Join us on irc.freenode.net @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll be

                  >> glad to help you out.

                  >>

                  >> Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                  >> escreveu:

                  >>

                  >> Hi George,

                  >>

                  >> actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can share

                  >> my thoughts.

                  >> I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I

                  >> installed and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and

                  >> examples. For now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this

                  >> tool.

                  >> For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with

                  >> crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

                  >> Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

                  >> Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

                  >>

                  >> Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I

                  >> think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon)

                  >> mechanism.

                  >> Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the

                  >> reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we

                  >> should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting

                  >> capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

                  >> So idea is to:

                  >> Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

                  >> The main features of future plugin remains the same as that

                  >> are previously proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

                  >>

                  >>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

                  >>    the same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically

                  >>    recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects

                  >>    project.

                  >>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current project into

                  >>    report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to

                  >>    create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

                  >>    - list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple

                  >>    Locations report should be used)

                  >>    - find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented (Unused

                  >>    Jars report should be used).

                  >>    - We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies",

                  >>    "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool

                  >>    is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for

                  >>    example, for Maven projects.

                  >>    These commands should be able to guide user through step by step

                  >>    process of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

                  >>    - For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine

                  >>    with one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could

                  >>    expand support for more type of projects.

                  >>    - This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML

                  >>    report.

                  >>

                  >> I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great

                  >> tutorial here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

                  >> I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with

                  >> mode  in-depth proposal.

                  >>

                  >> It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

                  >>

                  >> Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

                  >>

                  >> Thank you

                  >> Dejan

                  >>

                  >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                  >>

                  >>>  Nice to meet you Dejan.

                  >>>

                  >>> First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

                  >>>

                  >>> https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

                  >>>

                  >>> The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE

                  >>> implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

                  >>> NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

                  >>> APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

                  >>>

                  >>> I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

                  >>> There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp(Thanks to Ivan).

                  >>>

                  >>> Best Regards,

                  >>>

                  >>> George Gastaldi

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>>  Hi Forge team, Hi George,

                  >>>

                  >>> Let me briefly introduce myself:

                  >>> My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

                  >>> Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

                  >>>

                  >>> I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am

                  >>> familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code

                  >>> analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

                  >>> Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

                  >>>

                  >>> And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code

                  >>> 2014.

                  >>>

                  >>> Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's

                  >>>  GSoC mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them

                  >>> with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

                  >>> specification.

                  >>>

                  >>> One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

                  >>>  investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

                  >>> jars.

                  >>> I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be even

                  >>> more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

                  >>>

                  >>> Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

                  >>>

                  >>> Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

                  >>> plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier

                  >>> to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as

                  >>> engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display

                  >>> standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports

                  >>> like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced

                  >>> libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the

                  >>> removal.

                  >>>

                  >>> I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to periodically

                  >>>  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the project, to

                  >>> remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

                  >>> This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

                  >>>

                  >>> Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

                  >>>

                  >>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

                  >>>    the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to automatically

                  >>>    recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project, like jars

                  >>>    inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

                  >>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

                  >>>    project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too.

                  >>>    This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the

                  >>>    valid Tattletale report.

                  >>>    - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

                  >>>    report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this,

                  >>>    Findbugs plugin can do it.

                  >>>    - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced

                  >>>    Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know

                  >>>    is this possible.

                  >>>    - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML  report

                  >>>    in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to particular class

                  >>>    listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale does not support

                  >>>    this.

                  >>>    - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

                  >>>    - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies", "Eliminate

                  >>>    Jar files with different versions", but this should be discussed. This tool

                  >>>    could have only "advisory" nature and could manage class-path for Maven and

                  >>>    Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we provide potentially  risky

                  >>>    options which are managing eclipse project class-path?

                  >>>    - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

                  >>>    perspective".

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for

                  >>> this project, to finish it together?

                  >>> In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with basic

                  >>> options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

                  >>>

                  >>> I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

                  >>> opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

                  >>> used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

                  >>> tools.

                  >>>

                  >>> Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

                  >>> suggestions is appriciated.

                  >>>

                  >>> Best Regards,

                  >>> Dejan Simeonov

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> _______________________________________________

                  >>> forge-dev mailing listforge-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>>

                  >>> _______________________________________________

                  >>> forge-dev mailing list

                  >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                  >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                  >>>

                  >>

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                  >> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                  >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                  >>

                  >>

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                  • 6. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse
                    Rafael Pestano Novice

                    "but it is using older Forge, version 1.4.4"

                     

                    try to delete .forge folder content, on unix its under user/home/.forge.

                     

                    I hope that helps

                     

                     

                    2014-03-21 9:57 GMT-03:00 Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>:

                     

                    I know your proposal is due today, so I'll talk out of turn: There is no

                    future in Forge 1. You should be concentrating on Forge 2, but more

                    generally in realistic terms you should aim for your addon to be compatible

                    with whatever the current version of Forge is near the end of the summer if

                    at all possible. I.e., if F3 were to be released it would be similar in

                    most respects to F2, and migration would probably not represent much, if

                    any, burden. Good luck to you!

                     

                    Matt

                    On Mar 21, 2014 7:50 AM, "Dejan Simeonov" <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com> wrote:

                     

                    >> Hi,

                    >> I started working with earlier version, Forge 1.4.4. but I have some

                    >> issues since switched to Forge 2.2.0.

                    >> -Eclipse plugin could not be installed from the Eclipse Update Site -

                    >> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-forge_master/all/repo/

                    >> Error is:

                    >> Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not

                    >> be found.

                    >>   Software being installed: JBoss Tools - Tests - Forge

                    >> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552

                    >> (org.jboss.tools.forge.ext.test.feature.feature.group

                    >> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552)

                    >>   ...

                    >> I used Eclipse Juno Service Release 2

                    >>

                    >> Now, I switched to Eclipse 4.3, Kepler,  I managed to install Forge

                    >> plugin and Forge console works fine, but it is using older Forge,

                    >> version 1.4.4

                    >>

                    >> What you prefer: We could implement Tattletale addon for Forge 2, or to

                    >> be more specific, for current official release, Forge 2.3.0.Final, or it is

                    >> better to use older version, 1.4.4?

                    >> What is your opinion? Please advice.

                    >>

                    >>

                    >>

                    >>

                    >>

                    >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                    >>

                    >>> That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers Forge 1.x. The docs

                    >>> for 2.x are available in github.com/forge/core at the moment. We are

                    >>> working on a new website for Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

                    >>>

                    >>> Join us on irc.freenode.net @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll

                    >>> be glad to help you out.

                    >>>

                    >>> Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                    >>> escreveu:

                    >>>

                    >>> Hi George,

                    >>>

                    >>> actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can share

                    >>> my thoughts.

                    >>> I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I

                    >>> installed and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and

                    >>> examples. For now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this

                    >>> tool.

                    >>> For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with

                    >>> crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

                    >>> Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

                    >>> Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

                    >>>

                    >>> Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I

                    >>> think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon)

                    >>> mechanism.

                    >>> Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the

                    >>> reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we

                    >>> should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting

                    >>> capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

                    >>> So idea is to:

                    >>> Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

                    >>> The main features of future plugin remains the same as that

                    >>> are previously proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

                    >>>

                    >>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

                    >>>    the same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically

                    >>>    recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects

                    >>>    project.

                    >>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current project

                    >>>    into report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to

                    >>>    create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

                    >>>    - list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple

                    >>>    Locations report should be used)

                    >>>    - find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented

                    >>>    (Unused Jars report should be used).

                    >>>    - We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies",

                    >>>    "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool

                    >>>    is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for

                    >>>    example, for Maven projects.

                    >>>    These commands should be able to guide user through step by step

                    >>>    process of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

                    >>>    - For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine

                    >>>    with one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could

                    >>>    expand support for more type of projects.

                    >>>    - This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML

                    >>>    report.

                    >>>

                    >>> I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great

                    >>> tutorial here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

                    >>> I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with

                    >>> mode  in-depth proposal.

                    >>>

                    >>> It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

                    >>>

                    >>> Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

                    >>>

                    >>> Thank you

                    >>> Dejan

                    >>>

                    >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                    >>>

                    >>>>  Nice to meet you Dejan.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

                    >>>>

                    >>>> https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

                    >>>>

                    >>>> The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE

                    >>>> implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

                    >>>> NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

                    >>>> APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

                    >>>>

                    >>>> I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

                    >>>> There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp(Thanks to Ivan).

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Best Regards,

                    >>>>

                    >>>> George Gastaldi

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>>  Hi Forge team, Hi George,

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Let me briefly introduce myself:

                    >>>> My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

                    >>>> Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am

                    >>>> familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code

                    >>>> analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

                    >>>> Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code

                    >>>> 2014.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's

                    >>>>  GSoC mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them

                    >>>> with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

                    >>>> specification.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

                    >>>>  investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

                    >>>> jars.

                    >>>> I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be

                    >>>> even more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

                    >>>> plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier

                    >>>> to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as

                    >>>> engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display

                    >>>> standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports

                    >>>> like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced

                    >>>> libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the

                    >>>> removal.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to

                    >>>> periodically  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the

                    >>>> project, to remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

                    >>>> This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

                    >>>>

                    >>>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed

                    >>>>    in the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to

                    >>>>    automatically recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project,

                    >>>>    like jars inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

                    >>>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

                    >>>>    project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too.

                    >>>>    This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the

                    >>>>    valid Tattletale report.

                    >>>>    - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

                    >>>>    report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this,

                    >>>>    Findbugs plugin can do it.

                    >>>>    - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced

                    >>>>    Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know

                    >>>>    is this possible.

                    >>>>    - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML

                    >>>>     report in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to

                    >>>>    particular class listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale

                    >>>>    does not support this.

                    >>>>    - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

                    >>>>    - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies",

                    >>>>    "Eliminate Jar files with different versions", but this should be

                    >>>>    discussed. This tool could have only "advisory" nature and could manage

                    >>>>    class-path for Maven and Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we

                    >>>>    provide potentially  risky options which are managing eclipse project

                    >>>>    class-path?

                    >>>>    - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

                    >>>>    perspective".

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for

                    >>>> this project, to finish it together?

                    >>>> In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with basic

                    >>>> options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

                    >>>> opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

                    >>>> used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

                    >>>> tools.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

                    >>>> suggestions is appriciated.

                    >>>>

                    >>>> Best Regards,

                    >>>> Dejan Simeonov

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> _______________________________________________

                    >>>> forge-dev mailing listforge-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>>

                    >>>> _______________________________________________

                    >>>> forge-dev mailing list

                    >>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                    >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                    >>>>

                    >>>

                    >>> _______________________________________________

                    >>> forge-dev mailing list

                    >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                    >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                    >>>

                    >>>

                    >>> _______________________________________________

                    >>> forge-dev mailing list

                    >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                    >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                    >>>

                    >>

                    >>

                    >> _______________________________________________

                    >> forge-dev mailing list

                    >> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                    >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                    >>

                    >

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                    Desenvolvedor Java Cia. de Processamento de Dados do Rio Grande do Sul

                    Graduando em Ciência da Computação UFRGS

                    http://conventionsframework.org <http://conventions.github.io/home/>

                    http://rpestano.wordpress.com/

                    @realpestano

                     

                    • 7. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse

                      Yes it helped, the newest version is working now:

                       

                      $ version

                      JBoss Forge, version - JBoss, by Red Hat, Inc. [

                      http://jboss.org/forge ]

                       

                      Thanks Rafael !

                       

                       

                      On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Rafael Pestano <rmpestano@gmail.com> wrote:

                       

                      "but it is using older Forge, version 1.4.4"

                       

                      try to delete .forge folder content, on unix its under user/home/.forge.

                       

                      I hope that helps

                       

                      >

                      2014-03-21 9:57 GMT-03:00 Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>:

                       

                      I know your proposal is due today, so I'll talk out of turn: There is no

                      >> future in Forge 1. You should be concentrating on Forge 2, but more

                      >> generally in realistic terms you should aim for your addon to be compatible

                      >> with whatever the current version of Forge is near the end of the summer if

                      >> at all possible. I.e., if F3 were to be released it would be similar in

                      >> most respects to F2, and migration would probably not represent much, if

                      >> any, burden. Good luck to you!

                      >>

                      >> Matt

                      >> On Mar 21, 2014 7:50 AM, "Dejan Simeonov" <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                      >> wrote:

                      >>

                      >>> Hi,

                      >>> I started working with earlier version, Forge 1.4.4. but I have some

                      >>> issues since switched to Forge 2.2.0.

                      >>> -Eclipse plugin could not be installed from the Eclipse Update Site -

                      >>> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-forge_master/all/repo/

                      >>> Error is:

                      >>> Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not

                      >>> be found.

                      >>>   Software being installed: JBoss Tools - Tests - Forge

                      >>> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552

                      >>> (org.jboss.tools.forge.ext.test.feature.feature.group

                      >>> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552)

                      >>>   ...

                      >>> I used Eclipse Juno Service Release 2

                      >>>

                      >>> Now, I switched to Eclipse 4.3, Kepler,  I managed to install Forge

                      >>> plugin and Forge console works fine, but it is using older Forge,

                      >>> version 1.4.4

                      >>>

                      >>> What you prefer: We could implement Tattletale addon for Forge 2, or to

                      >>> be more specific, for current official release, Forge 2.3.0.Final, or it is

                      >>> better to use older version, 1.4.4?

                      >>> What is your opinion? Please advice.

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                      >>>

                      >>>> That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers Forge 1.x. The docs

                      >>>> for 2.x are available in github.com/forge/core at the moment. We are

                      >>>> working on a new website for Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Join us on irc.freenode.net @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll

                      >>>> be glad to help you out.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                      >>>> escreveu:

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Hi George,

                      >>>>

                      >>>> actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can share

                      >>>> my thoughts.

                      >>>> I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I

                      >>>> installed and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and

                      >>>> examples. For now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this

                      >>>> tool.

                      >>>> For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with

                      >>>> crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

                      >>>> Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

                      >>>> Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I

                      >>>> think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon)

                      >>>> mechanism.

                      >>>> Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the

                      >>>> reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we

                      >>>> should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting

                      >>>> capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

                      >>>> So idea is to:

                      >>>> Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

                      >>>> The main features of future plugin remains the same as that

                      >>>> are previously proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

                      >>>>

                      >>>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed

                      >>>>    in the same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically

                      >>>>    recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects

                      >>>>    project.

                      >>>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current project

                      >>>>    into report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to

                      >>>>    create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

                      >>>>    - list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple

                      >>>>    Locations report should be used)

                      >>>>    - find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented

                      >>>>    (Unused Jars report should be used).

                      >>>>    - We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies",

                      >>>>    "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool

                      >>>>    is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for

                      >>>>    example, for Maven projects.

                      >>>>    These commands should be able to guide user through step by step

                      >>>>    process of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

                      >>>>    - For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine

                      >>>>    with one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could

                      >>>>    expand support for more type of projects.

                      >>>>    - This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML

                      >>>>    report.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great

                      >>>> tutorial here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

                      >>>> I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with

                      >>>> mode  in-depth proposal.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

                      >>>>

                      >>>> Thank you

                      >>>> Dejan

                      >>>>

                      >>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                      >>>>

                      >>>>>  Nice to meet you Dejan.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE

                      >>>>> implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

                      >>>>> NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

                      >>>>> APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

                      >>>>> There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp(Thanks to Ivan).

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Best Regards,

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> George Gastaldi

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>  Hi Forge team, Hi George,

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Let me briefly introduce myself:

                      >>>>> My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

                      >>>>> Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am

                      >>>>> familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code

                      >>>>> analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

                      >>>>> Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code

                      >>>>> 2014.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's

                      >>>>>  GSoC mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them

                      >>>>> with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

                      >>>>> specification.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

                      >>>>>  investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

                      >>>>> jars.

                      >>>>> I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be

                      >>>>> even more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

                      >>>>> plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier

                      >>>>> to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as

                      >>>>> engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display

                      >>>>> standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports

                      >>>>> like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced

                      >>>>> libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the

                      >>>>> removal.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to

                      >>>>> periodically  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the

                      >>>>> project, to remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

                      >>>>> This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed

                      >>>>>    in the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to

                      >>>>>    automatically recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project,

                      >>>>>    like jars inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

                      >>>>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

                      >>>>>    project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too.

                      >>>>>    This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the

                      >>>>>    valid Tattletale report.

                      >>>>>    - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

                      >>>>>    report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this,

                      >>>>>    Findbugs plugin can do it.

                      >>>>>    - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced

                      >>>>>    Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know

                      >>>>>    is this possible.

                      >>>>>    - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML

                      >>>>>     report in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to

                      >>>>>    particular class listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale

                      >>>>>    does not support this.

                      >>>>>    - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

                      >>>>>    - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies",

                      >>>>>    "Eliminate Jar files with different versions", but this should be

                      >>>>>    discussed. This tool could have only "advisory" nature and could manage

                      >>>>>    class-path for Maven and Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we

                      >>>>>    provide potentially  risky options which are managing eclipse project

                      >>>>>    class-path?

                      >>>>>    - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

                      >>>>>    perspective".

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for

                      >>>>> this project, to finish it together?

                      >>>>> In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with

                      >>>>> basic options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

                      >>>>> opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

                      >>>>> used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

                      >>>>> tools.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

                      >>>>> suggestions is appriciated.

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> Best Regards,

                      >>>>> Dejan Simeonov

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> _______________________________________________

                      >>>>> forge-dev mailing listforge-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>> _______________________________________________

                      >>>>> forge-dev mailing list

                      >>>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                      >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                      >>>>>

                      >>>>

                      >>>> _______________________________________________

                      >>>> forge-dev mailing list

                      >>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                      >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                      >>>>

                      >>>>

                      >>>> _______________________________________________

                      >>>> forge-dev mailing list

                      >>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                      >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                      >>>>

                      >>>

                      >>>

                      >>> _______________________________________________

                      >>> forge-dev mailing list

                      >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                      >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                      >>>

                      >>

                      >> _______________________________________________

                      >> forge-dev mailing list

                      >> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                      >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                      >>

                      >

                      >

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                      Desenvolvedor Java Cia. de Processamento de Dados do Rio Grande do Sul

                      Graduando em Ciência da Computação UFRGS

                      http://conventionsframework.org <http://conventions.github.io/home/>

                      http://rpestano.wordpress.com/

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                      • 8. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse
                        Rafael Pestano Novice

                        you're welcome

                         

                         

                        2014-03-21 10:43 GMT-03:00 Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>:

                         

                        Yes it helped, the newest version is working now:

                         

                        $ version

                        JBoss Forge, version - JBoss, by Red Hat, Inc. [

                        http://jboss.org/forge ]

                         

                        Thanks Rafael !

                         

                        >

                        On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Rafael Pestano <rmpestano@gmail.com>wrote:

                         

                        >>  "but it is using older Forge, version 1.4.4"

                        >>

                        >> try to delete .forge folder content, on unix its under user/home/.forge.

                        >>

                        >> I hope that helps

                        >>

                        >>

                        >> 2014-03-21 9:57 GMT-03:00 Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>:

                        >>

                        >> I know your proposal is due today, so I'll talk out of turn: There is no

                        >>> future in Forge 1. You should be concentrating on Forge 2, but more

                        >>> generally in realistic terms you should aim for your addon to be compatible

                        >>> with whatever the current version of Forge is near the end of the summer if

                        >>> at all possible. I.e., if F3 were to be released it would be similar in

                        >>> most respects to F2, and migration would probably not represent much, if

                        >>> any, burden. Good luck to you!

                        >>>

                        >>> Matt

                        >>> On Mar 21, 2014 7:50 AM, "Dejan Simeonov" <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                        >>> wrote:

                        >>>

                        >>>> Hi,

                        >>>> I started working with earlier version, Forge 1.4.4. but I have some

                        >>>> issues since switched to Forge 2.2.0.

                        >>>> -Eclipse plugin could not be installed from the Eclipse Update Site -

                        >>>> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-forge_master/all/repo/

                        >>>> Error is:

                        >>>> Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could

                        >>>> not be found.

                        >>>>   Software being installed: JBoss Tools - Tests - Forge

                        >>>> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552

                        >>>> (org.jboss.tools.forge.ext.test.feature.feature.group

                        >>>> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552)

                        >>>>   ...

                        >>>> I used Eclipse Juno Service Release 2

                        >>>>

                        >>>> Now, I switched to Eclipse 4.3, Kepler,  I managed to install Forge

                        >>>> plugin and Forge console works fine, but it is using older Forge,

                        >>>> version 1.4.4

                        >>>>

                        >>>> What you prefer: We could implement Tattletale addon for Forge 2, or to

                        >>>> be more specific, for current official release, Forge 2.3.0.Final, or it is

                        >>>> better to use older version, 1.4.4?

                        >>>> What is your opinion? Please advice.

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                        >>>>

                        >>>>> That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers Forge 1.x. The

                        >>>>> docs for 2.x are available in github.com/forge/core at the moment. We

                        >>>>> are working on a new website for Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Join us on irc.freenode.net @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll

                        >>>>> be glad to help you out.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                        >>>>> escreveu:

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Hi George,

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can

                        >>>>> share my thoughts.

                        >>>>> I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I

                        >>>>> installed and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and

                        >>>>> examples. For now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this

                        >>>>> tool.

                        >>>>> For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with

                        >>>>> crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

                        >>>>> Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

                        >>>>> Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I

                        >>>>> think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon)

                        >>>>> mechanism.

                        >>>>> Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the

                        >>>>> reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we

                        >>>>> should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting

                        >>>>> capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

                        >>>>> So idea is to:

                        >>>>> Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

                        >>>>> The main features of future plugin remains the same as that

                        >>>>> are previously proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed

                        >>>>>    in the same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically

                        >>>>>    recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects

                        >>>>>    project.

                        >>>>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current project

                        >>>>>    into report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to

                        >>>>>    create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

                        >>>>>    - list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple

                        >>>>>    Locations report should be used)

                        >>>>>    - find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented

                        >>>>>    (Unused Jars report should be used).

                        >>>>>    - We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies",

                        >>>>>    "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool

                        >>>>>    is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for

                        >>>>>    example, for Maven projects.

                        >>>>>    These commands should be able to guide user through step by step

                        >>>>>    process of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

                        >>>>>    - For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine

                        >>>>>    with one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could

                        >>>>>    expand support for more type of projects.

                        >>>>>    - This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML

                        >>>>>    report.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great

                        >>>>> tutorial here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

                        >>>>> I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with

                        >>>>> mode  in-depth proposal.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> Thank you

                        >>>>> Dejan

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>>>  Nice to meet you Dejan.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the

                        >>>>>> IDE implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

                        >>>>>> NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

                        >>>>>> APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

                        >>>>>> There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp(Thanks to Ivan).

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Best Regards,

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> George Gastaldi

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>  Hi Forge team, Hi George,

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Let me briefly introduce myself:

                        >>>>>> My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

                        >>>>>> Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am

                        >>>>>> familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code

                        >>>>>> analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

                        >>>>>> Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins

                        >>>>>> implementation.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code

                        >>>>>> 2014.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's

                        >>>>>>  GSoC mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them

                        >>>>>> with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

                        >>>>>> specification.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

                        >>>>>>  investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

                        >>>>>> jars.

                        >>>>>> I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be

                        >>>>>> even more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

                        >>>>>> plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier

                        >>>>>> to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as

                        >>>>>> engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display

                        >>>>>> standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports

                        >>>>>> like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced

                        >>>>>> libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the

                        >>>>>> removal.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to

                        >>>>>> periodically  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the

                        >>>>>> project, to remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

                        >>>>>> This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed

                        >>>>>>    in the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to

                        >>>>>>    automatically recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project,

                        >>>>>>    like jars inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

                        >>>>>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

                        >>>>>>    project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too.

                        >>>>>>    This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the

                        >>>>>>    valid Tattletale report.

                        >>>>>>    - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple

                        >>>>>>    Locations report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports

                        >>>>>>    this, Findbugs plugin can do it.

                        >>>>>>    - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced

                        >>>>>>    Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know

                        >>>>>>    is this possible.

                        >>>>>>    - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML

                        >>>>>>     report in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to

                        >>>>>>    particular class listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale

                        >>>>>>    does not support this.

                        >>>>>>    - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

                        >>>>>>    - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies",

                        >>>>>>    "Eliminate Jar files with different versions", but this should be

                        >>>>>>    discussed. This tool could have only "advisory" nature and could manage

                        >>>>>>    class-path for Maven and Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we

                        >>>>>>    provide potentially  risky options which are managing eclipse project

                        >>>>>>    class-path?

                        >>>>>>    - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

                        >>>>>>    perspective".

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor

                        >>>>>> for this project, to finish it together?

                        >>>>>> In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with

                        >>>>>> basic options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

                        >>>>>> opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

                        >>>>>> used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

                        >>>>>> tools.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

                        >>>>>> suggestions is appriciated.

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> Best Regards,

                        >>>>>> Dejan Simeonov

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> _______________________________________________

                        >>>>>> forge-dev mailing listforge-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>> _______________________________________________

                        >>>>>> forge-dev mailing list

                        >>>>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                        >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                        >>>>>>

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> _______________________________________________

                        >>>>> forge-dev mailing list

                        >>>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                        >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>> _______________________________________________

                        >>>>> forge-dev mailing list

                        >>>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                        >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                        >>>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>>

                        >>>> _______________________________________________

                        >>>> forge-dev mailing list

                        >>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                        >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                        >>>>

                        >>>

                        >>> _______________________________________________

                        >>> forge-dev mailing list

                        >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                        >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                        >>>

                        >>

                        >>

                        >>

                        >> --

                        >> <http://www.advancedit.com.br/>Att,

                        >>

                        >> Rafael M. Pestano

                        >>

                        >> Desenvolvedor Java Cia. de Processamento de Dados do Rio Grande do Sul

                        >> Graduando em Ciência da Computação UFRGS

                        >> http://conventionsframework.org <http://conventions.github.io/home/>

                        >> http://rpestano.wordpress.com/

                        >> @realpestano

                        >>

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                        >> forge-dev mailing list

                        >> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                        >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                        >>

                        >

                         

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                        https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                         

                         

                         

                         

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                        Rafael M. Pestano

                         

                        Desenvolvedor Java Cia. de Processamento de Dados do Rio Grande do Sul

                        Graduando em Ciência da Computação UFRGS

                        http://conventionsframework.org <http://conventions.github.io/home/>

                        http://rpestano.wordpress.com/

                        @realpestano

                         

                        • 9. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse
                          Lincoln Baxter III Master

                          Thanks Matt!

                           

                          Yes, this should focus on Forge 2.x. As Matt said, Forge 1.x is no longer

                          being improved.

                           

                          ~Lincoln

                           

                           

                          On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com> wrote:

                           

                          I know your proposal is due today, so I'll talk out of turn: There is no

                          future in Forge 1. You should be concentrating on Forge 2, but more

                          generally in realistic terms you should aim for your addon to be compatible

                          with whatever the current version of Forge is near the end of the summer if

                          at all possible. I.e., if F3 were to be released it would be similar in

                          most respects to F2, and migration would probably not represent much, if

                          any, burden. Good luck to you!

                           

                          Matt

                          On Mar 21, 2014 7:50 AM, "Dejan Simeonov" <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com> wrote:

                           

                          >> Hi,

                          >> I started working with earlier version, Forge 1.4.4. but I have some

                          >> issues since switched to Forge 2.2.0.

                          >> -Eclipse plugin could not be installed from the Eclipse Update Site -

                          >> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-forge_master/all/repo/

                          >> Error is:

                          >> Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not

                          >> be found.

                          >>   Software being installed: JBoss Tools - Tests - Forge

                          >> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552

                          >> (org.jboss.tools.forge.ext.test.feature.feature.group

                          >> 1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552)

                          >>   ...

                          >> I used Eclipse Juno Service Release 2

                          >>

                          >> Now, I switched to Eclipse 4.3, Kepler,  I managed to install Forge

                          >> plugin and Forge console works fine, but it is using older Forge,

                          >> version 1.4.4

                          >>

                          >> What you prefer: We could implement Tattletale addon for Forge 2, or to

                          >> be more specific, for current official release, Forge 2.3.0.Final, or it is

                          >> better to use older version, 1.4.4?

                          >> What is your opinion? Please advice.

                          >>

                          >>

                          >>

                          >>

                          >>

                          >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                          >>

                          >>> That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers Forge 1.x. The docs

                          >>> for 2.x are available in github.com/forge/core at the moment. We are

                          >>> working on a new website for Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

                          >>>

                          >>> Join us on irc.freenode.net @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll

                          >>> be glad to help you out.

                          >>>

                          >>> Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>

                          >>> escreveu:

                          >>>

                          >>> Hi George,

                          >>>

                          >>> actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried it and I can share

                          >>> my thoughts.

                          >>> I did not have time to use Forge project in the real life, but I

                          >>> installed and tested it a little and walk through several tutorials and

                          >>> examples. For now I am amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this

                          >>> tool.

                          >>> For example, before I discovered Maven I have previous experience with

                          >>> crating of JEE project setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

                          >>> Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how painful process was that.

                          >>> Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

                          >>>

                          >>> Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied to Forge, too. I

                          >>> think that Tattletale could be used by Forge through its plug-in(addon)

                          >>> mechanism.

                          >>> Because Forge is not limited only to creating and displaying the

                          >>> reports, but most of his commands are created to solve common problems, we

                          >>> should implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with reporting

                          >>> capabilities, too. This extension should use Tattletale for the core logic.

                          >>> So idea is to:

                          >>> Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

                          >>> The main features of future plugin remains the same as that

                          >>> are previously proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

                          >>>

                          >>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed in

                          >>>    the same folder. Tattletale Forge plugin should be able to automatically

                          >>>    recognize all  libraries referenced by the  different types of projects

                          >>>    project.

                          >>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current project

                          >>>    into report. This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to

                          >>>    create the valid Tattletale report. Process should be automated.

                          >>>    - list-duplicated-classes command should be implemented(Multiple

                          >>>    Locations report should be used)

                          >>>    - find/list-unused-dependencies command should be implemented

                          >>>    (Unused Jars report should be used).

                          >>>    - We should add commands like "remove-unused-dependencies",

                          >>>    "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions". The nature of Forge tool

                          >>>    is not only "advisory" and it should be able to manage class-path for

                          >>>    example, for Maven projects.

                          >>>    These commands should be able to guide user through step by step

                          >>>    process of finding/marking and removing the unused dependencies.

                          >>>    - For the beginning we should create plugin and make it work fine

                          >>>    with one type of projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations we could

                          >>>    expand support for more type of projects.

                          >>>    - This plugin should be able to create default Tattletale HTML

                          >>>    report.

                          >>>

                          >>> I already started developing my first Forge plugin. You have great

                          >>> tutorial here: http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

                          >>> I will play with it for a while, review API, and then will come with

                          >>> mode  in-depth proposal.

                          >>>

                          >>> It will be great if we can create this plugin as part of GSoC 2014.

                          >>>

                          >>> Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to comment

                          >>>

                          >>> Thank you

                          >>> Dejan

                          >>>

                          >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald@redhat.com>wrote:

                          >>>

                          >>>>  Nice to meet you Dejan.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like you to give it a try:

                          >>>>

                          >>>> https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

                          >>>>

                          >>>> The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is not coupled to the IDE

                          >>>> implementation, that is, the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

                          >>>> NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an implementation of the Forge

                          >>>> APIs for each IDE - at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

                          >>>>

                          >>>> I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice to have.

                          >>>> There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here: http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp(Thanks to Ivan).

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Best Regards,

                          >>>>

                          >>>> George Gastaldi

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>>  Hi Forge team, Hi George,

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Let me briefly introduce myself:

                          >>>> My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year student of Faculty of

                          >>>> Organizational Sciences, University of Belgrade, Serbia.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS, SVN, GIT...  I am

                          >>>> familiar with Eclipse and several open-source tools for Statistic Code

                          >>>> analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

                          >>>> Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse Plugins implementation.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> And I would like to participate as a student in Google Summer Of Code

                          >>>> 2014.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC  to Jonathan, JBoss's

                          >>>>  GSoC mentor. We talked about them and he advised me to review one of them

                          >>>> with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me with the concrete details and

                          >>>> specification.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it very useful  for

                          >>>>  investigating dependencies inside the project and to discovering unused

                          >>>> jars.

                          >>>> I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but I think it could be

                          >>>> even more useful as Eclipse plugin. So, idea is:

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs, PMD...). Tattletale

                          >>>> plugin for Eclipse still does not exist, but this way it should be easier

                          >>>> to use comparing to usage trough console . Tattletale tool could be used as

                          >>>> engine for this plugin. The basic plugin   implementation  could display

                          >>>> standard Tattletale HTML report inside the Eclipse, but some sub reports

                          >>>> like "Unused Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some referenced

                          >>>> libraries displayed in the Eclipse controls and highlight them for the

                          >>>> removal.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> I investigate a little and  I found that developers like to

                          >>>> periodically  use the Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside the

                          >>>> project, to remove unused ones and this way, to keep projects 'fit'.

                          >>>> This option could be one of the main feature of the future plugin.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Other things this plugin should be able to do are (several ideas):

                          >>>>

                          >>>>    - Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies should be placed

                          >>>>    in the same folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be able to

                          >>>>    automatically recognize all  libraries referenced by the Eclipse project,

                          >>>>    like jars inside the project, external jars and Maven dependencies.

                          >>>>    - This plugin should include compiled classes of current Eclipse

                          >>>>    project into report. Dependent eclipse project should be included, too.

                          >>>>    This way, developer does not have to create build(all jars) to create the

                          >>>>    valid Tattletale report.

                          >>>>    - Mark Duplicated class in the Project Explorer(Multiple Locations

                          >>>>    report should be used). This is possible, Eclipse API supports this,

                          >>>>    Findbugs plugin can do it.

                          >>>>    - Mark Unused JAR files in the Project Explorer's Referenced

                          >>>>    Libraries node(Unused Jars report should be used). Currently, I do not know

                          >>>>    is this possible.

                          >>>>    - This plugin should be able to create and open default HTML

                          >>>>     report in Eclipse plugin. This report could allow to navigate to

                          >>>>    particular class listed in it using CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale

                          >>>>    does not support this.

                          >>>>    - Graphical dependencies report should work "out of the box"

                          >>>>    - We could add options like "Remove unused dependencies",

                          >>>>    "Eliminate Jar files with different versions", but this should be

                          >>>>    discussed. This tool could have only "advisory" nature and could manage

                          >>>>    class-path for Maven and Eclipse Java projects. I am not sure should we

                          >>>>    provide potentially  risky options which are managing eclipse project

                          >>>>    class-path?

                          >>>>    - This plugin could be displayed in the new "Tattletale Eclipse

                          >>>>    perspective".

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> I should ask you if someone is interested to become a GSoC  mentor for

                          >>>> this project, to finish it together?

                          >>>> In this case, I could try implement prototype of this plugin with basic

                          >>>> options as part of the GSoC proposal evaluation process.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> I think I can finish this plugin, and this project seems as great

                          >>>> opportunity to me, first, to create an useful tool which will be widely

                          >>>> used as part of Eclipse and to gain more experience in lot of open-source

                          >>>> tools.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Please, feel free to ask if you have any questions, Any comment or

                          >>>> suggestions is appriciated.

                          >>>>

                          >>>> Best Regards,

                          >>>> Dejan Simeonov

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> _______________________________________________

                          >>>> forge-dev mailing listforge-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>>

                          >>>> _______________________________________________

                          >>>> forge-dev mailing list

                          >>>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                          >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                          >>>>

                          >>>

                          >>> _______________________________________________

                          >>> forge-dev mailing list

                          >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                          >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                          >>>

                          >>>

                          >>> _______________________________________________

                          >>> forge-dev mailing list

                          >>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                          >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                          >>>

                          >>

                          >>

                          >> _______________________________________________

                          >> forge-dev mailing list

                          >> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org

                          >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

                          >>

                          >

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                          http://ocpsoft.org

                          "Simpler is better."

                           

                          • 10. Re: [forge-dev] GSoC project idea: Create Tattletale plugin for      Eclipse
                            George Gastaldi Master

                            Excellent!

                             

                            Don't forget to apply in the google-melange site, otherwise the proposal

                            may never get a chance to be approved.

                            Unfortunately, it also doesn't mean it will be approved, since we have

                            limited slots.

                             

                            Thanks!

                             

                             

                             

                            On 21-03-2014 10:43, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                            Yes it helped, the newest version is working now:

                             

                                $ version

                             

                                JBoss Forge, version - JBoss, by Red Hat, Inc. [

                                http://jboss.org/forge ]

                             

                            Thanks Rafael !

                             

                            >

                            On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Rafael Pestano <rmpestano@gmail.com

                            <mailto:rmpestano@gmail.com>> wrote:

                             

                                "but it is using older Forge, version 1.4.4"

                             

                                try to delete .forge folder content, on unix its under

                                user/home/.forge.

                             

                                I hope that helps

                             

                            >

                                2014-03-21 9:57 GMT-03:00 Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com

                                <mailto:gudnabrsam@gmail.com>>:

                             

                                    I know your proposal is due today, so I'll talk out of turn:

                                    There is no future in Forge 1. You should be concentrating on

                                    Forge 2, but more generally in realistic terms you should aim

                                    for your addon to be compatible with whatever the current

                                    version of Forge is near the end of the summer if at all

                                    possible. I.e., if F3 were to be released it would be similar

                                    in most respects to F2, and migration would probably not

                                    represent much, if any, burden. Good luck to you!

                             

                                    Matt

                             

                                    On Mar 21, 2014 7:50 AM, "Dejan Simeonov"

                                    <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com <mailto:dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>> wrote:

                             

                                        Hi,

                                        I started working with earlier version, Forge 1.4.4. but I

                                        have some issues since switched to Forge 2.2.0.

                                        -Eclipse plugin could not be installed from the Eclipse

                                        Update Site -

                                        http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-forge_master/all/repo/

                                        Error is:

                                        Cannot complete the install because one or more required

                                        items could not be found.

                                          Software being installed: JBoss Tools - Tests - Forge

                                        1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552

                                        (org.jboss.tools.forge.ext.test.feature.feature.group

                                        1.3.0.Beta2-v20140321-0817-B552)

                                          ...

                                        I used Eclipse Juno Service Release 2

                             

                                        Now, I switched to Eclipse 4.3, Kepler,  I managed to

                                        install Forge plugin and Forge console works fine, but it

                                        is using older Forge, version 1.4.4

                             

                                        What you prefer: We could implement Tattletale addon for

                                        Forge 2, or to be more specific, for current official

                                        release, Forge 2.3.0.Final, or it is better to use older

                                        version, 1.4.4?

                                        What is your opinion? Please advice.

                             

                            >

                            >

                             

                                        On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, George Gastaldi

                                        <ggastald@redhat.com <mailto:ggastald@redhat.com>> wrote:

                             

                                            That's awesome Dejan. The docs you mentioned covers

                                            Forge 1.x. The docs for 2.x are available in

                                            github.com/forge/core <http://github.com/forge/core>

                                            at the moment. We are working on a new website for

                                            Forge 2 and it should be available soon.

                             

                                            Join us on irc.freenode.net <http://irc.freenode.net>

                                            @ #forge if you have any questions. We'll be glad to

                                            help you out.

                             

                                            Em 20/03/2014, às 16:17, Dejan Simeonov

                                            <dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com

                                            <mailto:dejanfrancuzo@gmail.com>> escreveu:

                             

                            >>                 Hi George,

                            >>

                            >>                 actually I haven't been tried Forge, but now I tried

                            >>                 it and I can share my thoughts.

                            >>                 I did not have time to use Forge project in the real

                            >>                 life, but I installed and tested it a little and walk

                            >>                 through several tutorials and examples. For now I am

                            >>                 amazed with it's simplicity and usability of this tool.

                            >>                 For example, before I discovered Maven I have

                            >>                 previous experience with crating of JEE project

                            >>                 setup, or using Hibernate so I know how amount of

                            >>                 Google-ing, how much effort is needed, and how

                            >>                 painful process was that.

                            >>                 Because of that, I appreciate tools like Forge.

                            >>

                            >>                 Regarding my previous idea, I think it can be applied

                            >>                 to Forge, too. I think that Tattletale could be used

                            >>                 by Forge through its plug-in(addon) mechanism.

                            >>                 Because Forge is not limited only to creating and

                            >>                 displaying the reports, but most of his commands are

                            >>                 created to solve common problems, we should

                            >>                 implement remove-unused-dependencies addon with

                            >>                 reporting capabilities, too. This extension

                            >>                 should use Tattletale for the core logic.

                            >>                 So idea is to:

                            >>                 Create Tattletale addon for Forge2

                            >>                 The main features of future plugin remains the same

                            >>                 as that are previously proposed for the Eclipse plugin:

                            >>

                            >>                   * Tattletale tool requires that all dependencies

                            >>                     should be placed in the same folder. Tattletale

                            >>                     Forge plugin should be able to automatically

                            >>                     recognize all libraries referenced by the

                            >>                     different types of projects project.

                            >>                   * This plugin should include compiled classes of

                            >>                     current project into report. This way, developer

                            >>                     does not have to create build(all jars) to create

                            >>                     the valid Tattletale report. Process should be

                            >>                     automated.

                            >>                   * list-duplicated-classes command should be

                            >>                     implemented(Multiple Locations report should be used)

                            >>                   * find/list-unused-dependencies command should be

                            >>                     implemented (Unused Jars report should be used).

                            >>                   * We should add commands like

                            >>                     "remove-unused-dependencies",

                            >>                     "eliminate-dependencies-with different-versions".

                            >>                     The nature of Forge tool is not only "advisory"

                            >>                     and it should be able to manage class-path for

                            >>                     example, for Maven projects.

                            >>                     These commands should be able to guide user

                            >>                     through step by step process of finding/marking

                            >>                     and removing the unused dependencies.

                            >>                   * For the beginning we should create plugin and

                            >>                     make it work fine with one type of

                            >>                     projects(Maven), and then in the next iterations

                            >>                     we could expand support for more type of projects.

                            >>                   * This plugin should be able to create default

                            >>                     Tattletale HTML report.

                            >>

                            >>                 I already started developing my first Forge plugin.

                            >>                 You have great tutorial here:

                            >>                 http://forge.jboss.org/docs/plugin_development/#content

                            >>                 I will play with it for a while, review API, and then

                            >>                 will come with mode in-depth proposal.

                            >>

                            >>                 It will be great if we can create this plugin as part

                            >>                 of GSoC 2014.

                            >>

                            >>                 Please, review the ideas, advice and feel free to

                            >>                 comment

                            >>

                            >>                 Thank you

                            >>                 Dejan

                            >>

                            >>                 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, George Gastaldi

                            >>                 <ggastald@redhat.com <mailto:ggastald@redhat.com>> wrote:

                            >>

                            >>                     Nice to meet you Dejan.

                            >>

                            >>                     First of all, have you tried Forge 2? I'd like

                            >>                     you to give it a try:

                            >>

                            >>                     https://github.com/forge/core/blob/master/README.asciidoc

                            >>

                            >>                     The idea in Forge is to provide tooling that is

                            >>                     not coupled to the IDE implementation, that is,

                            >>                     the code you write will run in Shell, Eclipse,

                            >>                     NetBeans, IDEA, etc (as long as there is an

                            >>                     implementation of the Forge APIs for each IDE -

                            >>                     at the moment we have Eclipse and Shell).

                            >>

                            >>                     I believe that a Tattletale addon would be nice

                            >>                     to have.

                            >>                     There is also a talk about Forge 2 in here:

                            >>                     http://t.co/aWCzQPWeTp (Thanks to Ivan).

                            >>

                            >>                     Best Regards,

                            >>

                            >>                     George Gastaldi

                            >>

                            >>

                            >>                     On 19-03-2014 07:41, Dejan Simeonov wrote:

                            >>>                     Hi Forge team, Hi George,

                            >>>                     Let me briefly introduce myself:

                            >>>                     My name is Dejan Simeonov, and I am final-year

                            >>>                     student of Faculty of Organizational Sciences,

                            >>>                     University of Belgrade, Serbia.

                            >>>                     I have experience with Java, PHP, HTML and CSS,

                            >>>                     SVN, GIT...  I am familiar with Eclipse and

                            >>>                     several open-source tools for Statistic Code

                            >>>                     analysis as Eclipse and Hudson plugins.

                            >>>                     Currently I am learning about Maven and Eclipse

                            >>>                     Plugins implementation.

                            >>>                     And I would like to participate as a student in

                            >>>                     Google Summer Of Code 2014.

                            >>>                     Several days ago I proposed my ideas for GSoC

                            >>>                      to Jonathan, JBoss's  GSoC mentor. We talked

                            >>>                     about them and he advised me to review one of

                            >>>                     them with you, Forge team,  hopefully to help me

                            >>>                     with the concrete details and specification.

                            >>>                     One of tools I used is Tattletale. I found it

                            >>>                     very useful  for  investigating dependencies

                            >>>                     inside the project and to discovering unused jars.

                            >>>                     I used it as command line and Maven plugin, but

                            >>>                     I think it could be even more useful as Eclipse

                            >>>                     plugin. So, idea is:

                            >>>                     Create Tattletale plugin for Eclipse

                            >>>                     Lot of tools have plugin for Eclipse. (Findbugs,

                            >>>                     PMD...). Tattletale plugin for Eclipse still

                            >>>                     does not exist, but this way it should be easier

                            >>>                     to use comparing to usage trough console .

                            >>>                     Tattletale tool could be used as engine for this

                            >>>                     plugin. The basic plugin implementation  could

                            >>>                     display standard Tattletale HTML report inside

                            >>>                     the Eclipse, but some sub reports like "Unused

                            >>>                     Jar" or "Multiple Jar files" could "mark" some

                            >>>                     referenced libraries displayed in the Eclipse

                            >>>                     controls and highlight them for the removal.

                            >>>                     I investigate a little and  I found that

                            >>>                     developers like to periodically  use the

                            >>>                     Tattletale tool to review dependencies inside

                            >>>                     the project, to remove unused ones and this way,

                            >>>                     to keep projects 'fit'.

                            >>>                     This option could be one of the main feature of

                            >>>                     the future plugin.

                            >>>                     Other things this plugin should be able to do

                            >>>                     are (several ideas):

                            >>>

                            >>>                       * Tattletale tool requires that all

                            >>>                         dependencies should be placed in the same

                            >>>                         folder. Tattletale Eclipse plugin should be

                            >>>                         able to automatically recognize all

                            >>>                          libraries referenced by the Eclipse

                            >>>                         project, like jars inside the project,

                            >>>                         external jars and Maven dependencies.

                            >>>                       * This plugin should include compiled classes

                            >>>                         of current Eclipse project into report.

                            >>>                         Dependent eclipse project should be

                            >>>                         included, too. This way, developer does not

                            >>>                         have to create build(all jars) to create the

                            >>>                         valid Tattletale report.

                            >>>                       * Mark Duplicated class in the Project

                            >>>                         Explorer(Multiple Locations report should be

                            >>>                         used). This is possible, Eclipse API

                            >>>                         supports this, Findbugs plugin can do it.

                            >>>                       * Mark Unused JAR files in the Project

                            >>>                         Explorer's Referenced Libraries node(Unused

                            >>>                         Jars report should be used). Currently, I do

                            >>>                         not know is this possible.

                            >>>                       * This plugin should be able to create and

                            >>>                         open default HTML  report in Eclipse plugin.

                            >>>                         This report could allow to navigate to

                            >>>                         particular class listed in it using

                            >>>                         CTRL+LeftClick. Currently Tattletale does

                            >>>                         not support this.

                            >>>                       * Graphical dependencies report should work

                            >>>                         "out of the box"

                            >>>                       * We could add options like "Remove unused

                            >>>                         dependencies", "Eliminate Jar files with

                            >>>                         different versions", but this should be

                            >>>                         discussed. This tool could have only

                            >>>                         "advisory" nature and could manage

                            >>>                         class-path for Maven and Eclipse Java

                            >>>                         projects. I am not sure should we provide

                            >>>                         potentially  risky options which are

                            >>>                         managing eclipse project class-path?

                            >>>                       * This plugin could be displayed in the new

                            >>>                         "Tattletale Eclipse perspective".

                            >>>

                            >>>                     I should ask you if someone is interested to

                            >>>                     become a GSoC  mentor for this project, to

                            >>>                     finish it together?

                            >>>                     In this case, I could try implement prototype of

                            >>>                     this plugin with basic options as part of the

                            >>>                     GSoC proposal evaluation process.

                            >>>                     I think I can finish this plugin, and this

                            >>>                     project seems as great opportunity to me, first,

                            >>>                     to create an useful tool which will be widely

                            >>>                     used as part of Eclipse and to gain more

                            >>>                     experience in lot of open-source tools.

                            >>>                     Please, feel free to ask if you have any

                            >>>                     questions, Any comment or suggestions is

                            >>>                     appriciated.

                            >>>                     Best Regards,

                            >>>                     Dejan Simeonov

                            >>>

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