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1. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
genman Aug 8, 2005 5:23 PM (in response to malmit)
Probably the bottleneck you're running into is at the database (or persistence) layer.
If you want to go with JBoss, you can use JBoss plus another messaging provider pretty easily. -
2. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
malmit Aug 9, 2005 1:14 AM (in response to malmit)I don't think it is a bottleneck at the database. Just for testing purposes I initialized my connection pool with 300 connections split up so that there are 3 nodes each with 100 connections. This I would imagine would be plenty of connections. This set-up results in the 60 - 100KB messages/second. I decreased the size of the message to about 30 KB and was able to get 100 30KB messages/second. And if I decreased it down to 1KB then I got around 140 - 1KB messages/second. I will try looking at other messaging products and I might even be able to wait for JBoss Messaging to be released. Hopefully that will be pretty soon :) Thanks for the help!
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3. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
genman Aug 9, 2005 6:00 PM (in response to malmit)
The JBossMQ is backed using a messaging database. If this is slow (e.g. on a slow disk), you're going to have slow JMS. Try testing with persistence turned off, you should be see those numbers improve 10-100 times I'd imagine. -
4. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
adrian.brock Aug 10, 2005 3:48 PM (in response to malmit)"Probably the bottleneck you're running into is at the database (or persistence) layer."
Why not the network? In a word "bandwidth".
100 x 100KB = 10MB a second.
100Mbps Ethernet ~ 12MB a second
Even if all the packets were optimally filled, that doesn't include
* Other parts of the JMS protocol (like acknowledgements)
* Resends or delays
* Other traffic on the network (including the database traffic if it is on the same network) -
5. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
malmit Aug 11, 2005 8:47 AM (in response to malmit)Thanks for all of the great input! I did try sending non-persistent messages as genman suggested and it increased the number of messages sent from 60 to about 100, but that doesn't help me any since the application requires persistent message handling. And adrian you made a good point about the bandwidth.
One final question to close out this topic is: Would JMS distributed destinations help out my situation at all or should I not even look into it when JBoss releases this feature? -
6. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
genman Aug 11, 2005 12:39 PM (in response to malmit)
Well, Gigabit ethernet would give you enough bandwidth, then you'll have to look at faster disks, etc.
Out of curiosity, what is your application doing that requires so much bandwidth? You might want to go with a hybrid approach where files are stored in a content management system, and use pointers to the files inside the message. -
7. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
adrian.brock Aug 11, 2005 1:56 PM (in response to malmit)"malmit" wrote:
Would JMS distributed destinations help
Hmm....
I swamped my network so lets add more traffic to the network to implement "clustering".
Of course, this really depends upon your network topology and the quality of the router. :-)
This is also another one of my favourite "bug bears".
TCP/IP is too clever for its own good.
It makes what is essentially a single threaded device look multi-threaded because
of the packet switching.
The network card can still only deal with one packet at once and it has a maximum
throughput (bandwidth).
Anyway, your questions really belong in some network administration forum
NOT a JMS forum. -
8. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
adrian.brock Aug 11, 2005 1:59 PM (in response to malmit)"genman" wrote:
hybrid approach where files are stored in a content management system, and use pointers to the files inside the message.
Exactly. It is even worse when you see people trying to propogate these
large messages through the jms "chain of responsibility" anti-pattern. :-) -
9. Re: JMS Distributed Destinations
malmit Aug 11, 2005 2:21 PM (in response to malmit)Currently the application is sending finger print images via JMS. Never thought about the hybird approach. I will definitely go this route! Thanks again for all the helpful input!