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1. Re: JBoss vs Orion on Tru64
french_c Feb 5, 2004 9:40 AM (in response to orlat84)I was running Orion around 2001 on Tru64 without any problems. Both JBoss and Orion do have their pros and cons, but better don't judge on developer activity but on features you need.
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2. Re: JBoss vs Orion on Tru64
orlat84 Feb 5, 2004 10:13 AM (in response to orlat84)ok I agree with you.
but I was wondering how JBoss will perform on high loads. For example how JBoss will scale for 15 simultaneous users, or for 40 or for 700?
As far as I have read the performance tests showed a significant better performance for Orion.
Can you please be more specific with the pros and cons of JBoss and Orion?
Thanks,
Florin"french_c" wrote:
I was running Orion around 2001 on Tru64 without any problems. Both JBoss and Orion do have their pros and cons, but better don't judge on developer activity but on features you need.
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3. Re: JBoss vs Orion on Tru64
marc.fleury Feb 5, 2004 1:17 PM (in response to orlat84)Guys,
take a look at the top left corner of THIS VERY WEB PAGE
it says (at the time of my writing)
- Who's Online
Currently, 420 guests and 27 members are online.
members are guys that are doing read-write on forums (like me).
So you see that a properly configured JBoss scales. BTW I should mention that the average utilization on this box is 3%. That's right 3%.
We run large sites (including playboy.com and EAGames, theSimsOnline) in the more serious category we run MCI and Siemens employee portal as well as coke music and dowjonesindexes.com. Trust me these are million hits sites ;)
JBoss scales just fine, if you can't it where you want it, let us know you can read our doc for optimization (clever use of cache speeds up a lot of things). -
4. Re: JBoss vs Orion on Tru64
orlat84 Feb 6, 2004 2:58 AM (in response to orlat84)can you please give me more details about the configuration of the box which runs the site? (processor/RAM) r u using a cluster? how many instances r there?
our application will be insert/update intensive, will have also a lot of views and reports to generate. I am wondering how JBoss scales in such situations.
i think from the 975 online users that appear online when I am writing this message most of them are browsing the site not posting. So I agree with you in this case a clever use of cache will improve the performance significantly.
I know the best way to find it out is to test it by myself, but I think that the experience of the others involved in the industry worth be considered.
I hope that the advices are from a developer POV not a marketing campaign. From the marketing POV I think JBoss has some years ahead of Orion.(finally it is an american project ;))
Thanks for the quick feedback,
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5. Re: JBoss vs Orion on Tru64
juha Feb 6, 2004 12:46 PM (in response to orlat84)It's not a cluster, its a single instance running this site.
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6. Re: JBoss vs Orion on Tru64
french_c Feb 11, 2004 10:19 AM (in response to orlat84)"marc fleury" wrote:
Guys,
take a look at the top left corner of THIS VERY WEB PAGE
Yeah Marc, I have created too many dynamic counters which follow a predefined 24h cycle to show how busy a certain page is. And even if you really have 900 web users online it boils down to 35 to 50 requests per second (average user, no frames). Since most of the users will be probably in the forum we talk about less than that anyway. Having said that, JBoss will handle this kind of load easily, as every other app server does.
However this is definitly the wrong forum to talk about orion vs. jboss without any bias. I like JBoss, and I like Orion. Both for different reasons. While we deployed our application on Tru64 the orion jsp/servlet container was way faster than jetty/tomcat ... and this should be still the case. A non clustered orion offered a little bit better performance for EJBs (again at that timeframe). But both have problems with their clustered EJBs in comparsion to other app servers.
Our Hardware layout:
We started with 2 DS20E (2x667MhZ, I believe 512MB only) and ended up with 4. We never needed more than one, but hey, that was a dotcom and we had the money;)
As of today I would probably choose JBoss over Orion, since after the orion/oracle deal Magnus basically stopped working on it. I believe orion is way behind the current J2EE spec implementation.