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    GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??

    sanjeevt

      I am trying to implement a workflow solution in our product and after having got the jBPM process engine to work with Tomcat and Oracle I am trying to get the designer to work as well. I would like to get the designer tool to work without the eclipse dependency. Is this possible?

      If not the other option is for me to generate the process archive files with our own tool which is independent of eclipse and whose output can be deployed into jBPM process engine.

      Any advice/suggestion/hints in this aspect would be higly appreciated.

      Thanks in advance.

        • 1. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
          usrganesan

          Hi,
          I suppose , GPD id developed using Eclipse GEF framework. so you can use it the along with SWT ,

          Regards
          Ganesan S

          • 2. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
            koen.aers

            Hi guys,

            At the moment one of our customers is trying to hide the fact that we are using Eclipse under the hood. Completely removing the Eclipse dependency is rather unpossible I am afraid. We are indeed dependent on GEF and thus on SWT. But we are also using WTP and JDT, so there is a lot of Eclipse particularities in there. Removing the Eclipse dependency would mean, using Swing and other graphical libraries to do what we have to do and this would involve a complete rewrite of the plugin.
            But why exactly would you like to remove the Eclipse dependency? Is it a political or religious issue? Or do you have strong technical reasons?

            Regards,
            Koen

            • 3. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
              stadbe

              Hi,

              We would also appreciate a possibility to create new process definitions in an external process designer and not within Eclipse. We plan that employees of our customer should be able to create process definitions on their own and they don't have any programming skills at all. If they would have to open Eclipse to create new process definitions they wouldn't make it for sure.
              So could you tell me if it is planned by JBOSS to release such an Eclipse-independent GPD or did anyone else built such a SWING application which is available for free?
              That would safe us a lot of time.

              Kind regards,
              Bernd Stadlhofer

              • 4. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                mgillam

                I didn't find the GDP to be very mature or very useful, so I developed my own browser-based activity diagrammer using SVG.

                Email me if you're interested in the details.
                mgillam@comcast.net

                • 5. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                  koen.aers

                  Bernd,

                  Some of our customers have similar needs and are working on it. The solution is based on having the GPD as a rich client application building on top of the Eclipse workbench, but not exposing the programming capabilities of Eclipse, which is perfectly possible.
                  An in-house solution like this is planned for, but not with a very big priority. But you are welcome to cooperate, and contribute such a solution of course :-)

                  Regards,
                  Koen

                  • 6. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                    koen.aers

                    mgillam,

                    I think everyone here is interested in your browser based solution. This could in fact be a great addition to the webapp. Is it a closed source proprietary solution? Or is there any chance of you contributing?

                    Regards,
                    Koen

                    • 7. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                      mgillam

                      Yes. Currently it depends on my repository, but I could create a self-contained version that uses the pdl/xml file for persistence.

                      What's the process for submitting a design proposal?

                      • 8. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                        sanjeevt

                        Having a web-based editor would be perfect for us. I am certainly interested in that.

                        • 9. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                          koen.aers

                          Michael,

                          Post your ideas in the developer's forum, so we can have a discussion there. If you would like to contribute some stuff later in the process, you will have to sign the contributor's agreement.

                          Regards,
                          Koen

                          • 10. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                            logicalsid

                            Hi,

                            Any progress in this front......since we are very much interested in the web based designer for our implementation.

                            Thanks and regards,
                            Sidd

                            • 11. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                              koen.aers

                              No progress whatsoever...

                              Regards,
                              Koen

                              • 12. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                                mattjackson86

                                 

                                "StadBe" wrote:
                                Hi,

                                We would also appreciate a possibility to create new process definitions in an external process designer and not within Eclipse. We plan that employees of our customer should be able to create process definitions on their own and they don't have any programming skills at all. If they would have to open Eclipse to create new process definitions they wouldn't make it for sure.
                                So could you tell me if it is planned by JBOSS to release such an Eclipse-independent GPD or did anyone else built such a SWING application which is available for free?
                                That would safe us a lot of time.

                                Kind regards,
                                Bernd Stadlhofer



                                We have the exact same needs (aa user to go in and create a workflow) and we are using the eclipse GPD. I do not see ANY difference in useing eclipse as the app or a standalone app. Sure, it looks pretty if no other eclipse junk is there, but there are ways to configure eclipse so that it loads up and shows different 'perspectives' thus showing only the info they need. If they go an click through the menus, yes they will see eclipse stuff, but they should not need to do that.


                                Just my 2 cents...

                                • 13. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                                  kukeltje

                                  your 2 cents (eurocents I hope) and more is exactely the way it will go. A customized perspective.

                                  • 14. Re: GPD/Process Designer tool without eclipse..??
                                    kukeltje

                                    @logicalsid:

                                    A web based designer isn't even on the roadmap, and it wil probably not be on the short to mid term (maybe even long term, but I cannot comment on that part)

                                    unless....... someone contributes it or a customer is willing to pay a lot.

                                    Ronald

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