This is the first I've heard that *both* don't work. The correct way to handle these issues is to submit a bug report to JIRA in the "ICE Faces Integration" category, with sufficient information to allow the problem to be reproduced.
Integration problems are complex and can't be dealt with by just posting "I can't get this to work" in user forums. That's what we have JIRA for.
Thanks Gavin.
I've attached a minimal example project to reproduce the problem in JIRA: http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBSEAM-859