A conceptional question about Seam conversation

[speleomaniac]

Hello everybody,

I have a very basic question about conversations in Seam.

One thing that is confusing me with conversation feature of Seam.

To my understanding, lets say I defined a workflow with 5 JSF pages which should run under a converstational scope.

If I read and understand the documentation correctly, if I am going to navigate directly at the 3rd JSF page without going 1st and 2nd first (in the middle of the worklfow and conversation), because I didn't initialise the conversation at the 1st page with a begin tag, Seam should complain about this.

This is the behaviour, I can't get at the practice, 3rd page rendered successfully and now if I click the continue or back button at the 3rd page, now it complains about the conversational state is not initialised because the method with begin tag is never called.

So is conversion scope bounded to action listeners or to actions? I always thought the controller is checking for the conversationId in the URL and if it is missing, it is not letting go in the middle of the conversation.

And I am also confused with the example codes now. @Conversational tag is not necessary now(examples are missing it)? ifNotBegunOutcome is depracated, is there a special reason for this?

The alternative no-conversation-view-id is defined pages.xml, but now is this defined once for the whole application? What if I have more then workflows and different entry points?

As you may see, I am confused little bit, any help would be appreciated :)

Thx in advance...

PS. If Seam conversation is not designed to provide this behaviour, do you know anyother framework that provide this behaviour out of the box

[chawax]

I think what you are talking about deals with pageflow, not just conversation. You can define a pageflow using JPDL language, with every navigation possible in your pageflow. Then you start a conversation with this page flow and Seam will check any navigation, which is what you need if I understood well. You should have a look on the numberguess example bundled with Seam distribution.

[damianharvey]

Assuming that you're 3rd pages *.page.xml doesn't have a <begin-conversation> (or a conversation started in any other way) then you can specify a no-conversation-view-id. That should redirect your attempt to directly access the 3rd page.

Cheers,

Damian.