JBPM and seam

[mortena]

Is it correct that I can model my business processes using jBPM and use the output to manage the flow of my application?

What is left after having defined the flow of the application?

My dream is to:

1) Autogenerate the editors and views for tables in an existing DB
2) Have business consultants define the flow of the application
3) Press "Conquer the world" and have a running application where all that's left for the programmer is the advanced stuff like integration issues etc.

How close am I to that if I choose seam and use jBPM to model the flow.

[damianharvey]

That's been the dream of the larger BPM community for like a decade. Not even close IMO. This isn't a criticism of Seam or jBPM in any way. You won't get close no matter what framework you use and regardless of what some slick salesman tries to tell you.

Worth a read:http://www.infoq.com/articles/seven-fallacies-of-bpm

Cheers,

Damian.

[mortena]

Hmm.

What's the connection between jBPM and seam. Is it like this:

1) I define the flow using jBPM
2) It creates a state-machine that recides on the server that I can use (by beginning a process)
3) I have to create all the pages myself and the java parts that makes up the process, but can leave the navigation parts to jBPM?