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    wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?

    Jorge O Newbie

      I'm trying to get jbpm-console sources so i've been reading http://wiki.jboss.org/wiki/JbpmBuildingTheSources, but that instructions are for cvs (and ant) and the sources now are in svn (with maven).
      Any update for the doc? any help with the things i have to do instead?

      Thanks

        • 2. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
          Jorge O Newbie

          Thanks, i've already downloaded everything from to an eclipse project from svn as you have indicated. how can i build it? with the sources from cvs there were instructions to build it with ant, but i'm not able to find something similar for new sources with maven.

          • 3. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
            Ronald van Kuijk Master

            building it is described on the wiki isn't it? If those are not good enough for you for getting the sources build, I doubt the they are valuable to you at all. Making changes will be even harder

            • 4. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
              Jorge O Newbie

              I've spent many hours reading lots of posts in this forum with the same question: jbpm console sources.
              I wonder why it is so difficult to get a simple, direct and clear answer...the replys are always "in svn", "in cvs", "already answered". Maybe i'm completely insane, but could it be that if so many people ask for it maybe it isn't so easy or so clear. Can't you think that maybe the problem is the information and the instructions and not the people?maybe it's not enough for many people that needs more complete information.
              On the other hand, it's not necessary to be so...offensive?nobody knows everything. It's possible, maybe, that i'm quite expert on java ee, struts, jsf, hibernate, ibatis, and much more and don't know anything about ant or maven. It's possible, isn't it? Maybe, in my team, that's somebody else work...maybe...maybe i have no idea of how to make that simple build, but i'm able to use and modify the console...maybe. Anyway, what if i don't know anything about development or programming?i don't have the right to test it and learn? is it something like "if you don't know how to do that, you don't deserve it?". I can be wrong, but i think that this is not de right aproach for an open source community. In my opinion, of course.
              Ending, i'm member of many forums. I think that a forum is a very useful tool for a community. A place to express, to share, to learn, to teach, to grow. Some people in this forum could be a little kinder. If it is so easy to build it, instead of laughing at me, you could share that knowledge and give a set of a-b-c steps, for dummies (like me) and probably people will stop asking always the same question.

              Sorry for writting so much.

              • 5. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                Ronald van Kuijk Master

                 

                I wonder why it is so difficult to get a simple, direct and clear answer...the replys are always "in svn", "in cvs", "already answered". Maybe i'm completely insane, but could it be that if so many people ask for it maybe it isn't so easy or so clear. Can't you think that maybe the problem is the information and the instructions and not the people?

                If someone asks me where the sourcecode is, the answer (now) is The source code is in SVN. Because it is.

                If I say: "I already answered it", is because I already did (multiple times)

                The wiki currently is in a state of flux so to some extend it is the information and not the people, but on http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki there IS a description on how to build from the sources with eclipse and maven. The way it currently is, was new to me as well, but I got it up and running in 15 minutes, so lets get that out of the way first.

                maybe it's not enough for many people that needs more complete information.


                Depends on the target audiance. NASA will never provide you with the docs on how to build a rocket, not to the level that you could use build one. Simply because the docs they *do* have are not targeted at you and writing docs so you could give it a try costs to many hours and will still result in to many questions to be answerd. So.... The same is true here. You need the source if you want to change something, If you don't, use the jars. If you want to change something CONSTRUCTIVELY (contributing back) you will find enough info in the current docs

                The reason I might sound offensive is that these questions are so basic (and distributed over many topics) That a reference to the wiki (the correct one for this, which again unfortunately is down at the moment get's lost quickly.

                On the other hand, it's not necessary to be so...offensive?nobody knows everything. It's possible, maybe, that i'm quite expert on java ee, struts, jsf, hibernate, ibatis, and much more and don't know anything about ant or maven. It's possible, isn't it?
                No most likely not, and even then, if it was, you would have the capability of lean maven/ant quickly

                What if I don't know anything about development or programming?i don't have the right to test it and learn?

                You do, but that is why the jBPM suite is provided. A preconfigured JBoss AS with database, jBPM etc... Runs out of the box.

                I think that a forum is a very useful tool for a community.A place to express, to share, to learn, to teach, to grow. Some people in this forum could be a little kinder.
                It is, but a jBPM forum is not the place on where you should learn maven and ant.

                , for dummies (like me)
                I'm not saying you are a dummy, the jBPM SOURCE is just not targeted at dummies. It is for well experienced developers.

                Sorry for writting so much.
                No problem, but I hope you fully understand my response and why I respond in the way I respond. The (small) error I made is that I posted a link to the sources and not the wikipage on building the sources


                • 7. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                  Jorge O Newbie

                  Thanks for your answer.
                  First of all, i've not said that you call me "dummy" or similar, but i asume that i can be one about some kind of things, because nobody knows everyting.
                  The problem i refered is that the instructions weren't clear enough and sometimes answers are quite rough (in my opinion).
                  I don't consider myself a clumsy person and i always search the complete forum before posting a question. I've read many posts, the wiki and I found the instructions for building with ant, but not the maven one. i only asked for it. I don't want anyone to teach me maven or ant (i don't need it nowadays), only some clues. It looks that what i was looking for is at http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki, but that link doesn`t work (jbpm.dyndns.org doesn't respond).
                  I really thank you for your time, really, but i didn't like the sound of your words in that reply.

                  • 8. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                    Ronald van Kuijk Master

                     

                    but i didn't like the sound of your words in that reply.
                    Happens now and then... get used to it ;-) Has something to do with the 'flux' of the wiki ;-)

                    btw, your reaction was good (in line with http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool) , so therefor I also responded.

                    If any problem comes up... please post it here (in line with http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) and we'll try to help... for sure

                    • 9. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                      Jorge O Newbie

                      Thank you, Ronald. I have one more question (hope the last about this): any other way to access the info at http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki?

                      • 10. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                        Ronald van Kuijk Master

                        not that I know of... I tried google cache, but it does not seem to be in there at all. I notified the 'owner' of the site. As soon as I know more, I'll post it here

                        • 11. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                          Ronald van Kuijk Master

                          not that I know of... I tried google cache, but it does not seem to be in there at all. I notified the 'owner' of the site. As soon as I know more, I'll post it here

                          • 12. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                            Ronald van Kuijk Master

                            but... in short.... (from my head, did a few days ago)

                            - use eclipse 3.4 (ganymede??)
                            - use the latest maven2 plugin
                            - use the svn plugin and checkout the source (you already did that I think)
                            - import maven projects from the basic project folder into eclipse


                            • 13. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                              Ronald van Kuijk Master

                              http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki/ is up and running again.... sorry for the inconvenience

                              • 14. Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?
                                Jorge O Newbie

                                Thak you very much, Ronald.
                                I'm reading :)

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