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    Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)

    Mike Miller Newbie

      I have been pushing our boss to allow us to do a technical upgrade to our product, which is WAY BEHIND:

      • JBoss 4.2.3
      • Messaging 1.4.4
      • EJB 2.1 (all SLSB)
      • Hibernate 2.1.2
      • XDoclet 1.2.3 - for generating a pile of file: ejb interfaces, hibernate mappings, ejb deployment scriptors, web.xmls, etc.

       

      My desire is to get to:

      • JBoss AS7.1
      • HornetQ (I guess)
      • EJB 3.x
      • Hibernate 3.x
      • XDoclet 1.2.3 - would probably still be around for some of our custom tasks but greatly reduced usage (I hope)

       

      In response to my request, I have been asked to provide some analysis of sizing of the effort and the benefits, and can I provide this is in a couple days!

       

      As a developer, I would love to do this all in one big swipe, but my concern is that might be biting off a bit more than we can chew, especially since we have other releases to work on, along with any customer support issues that may arise.   From what I've read, it sounds like AS7.1 now supports EJB 2.1, so I have been wondering if it might not be better to do the migration from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1 first and then follow that up in our next release with the Hibernate and EJB 3.x upgrades.

       

      Please feel free to share any migration experiences and gotcha's anyone may have encountered!   

       

      Is there any gain by doing an all-at-once migration versus the multiple steps?

       

      Thought?

       

      Thanks in advance!

        • 1. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
          Ray DeCampo Newbie

          One thing I would note is that JBoss 7 is shipping with Hibernate 4.x so you may as well jump from 2 to 4 as long as you are going to change it.

           

          It is a lot to bite off (as someone who is currently going from JBoss 5 to 7 and all the other libraries with it).  On the other hand, if you do it piecemeal you will find yourself doing things like trying to make Hibernate 2.2 work on JBoss 7, i.e. things that are not really progressing you towards the end goal.

          • 2. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
            Wolf-Dieter Fink Master

            If you use no special things, mean that you are (more or less) only use JEE spec without glue to JBoss special solutions, you might try to deploy your app to AS7.

             

            But there are some changes (i.e. jboss.xml beside ejb-jar.xml is now different from name and schema).

            The client access to EJBs will be different.

            I would recommend to remove XDoclet, I wrote custom annotations and Interceptors instead.

             

            So at least it depends on the size of the application and the requirements what is possible.

            If you have only EJB2 SLSBs it might be not a huge effort to migrate it to EJB3, you might have EJB2 interfaces to call it.

             

            From my experience the multiple steps will cost a lot more time (min double) because of workarounds and the compatibility.

            You dont want to have many steps of this with incompatible changes.

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            • 3. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
              Mike Miller Newbie

              Thanks for the quick response.  

               

              The Hibernate 4 item was news to me.   I don't believe Hibernate shipped with JBoss 4.2.3, we just included it as our persistence provider and supplied the jars with our application.  

               

              So how does Hibernate 4 fit into AS7 and how is it configured?  Is it a separate optional module or compoent that you can choose to use or not?

              • 4. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                Ray DeCampo Newbie

                Everything in JBoss 7 is split into modules.  BTW, the whole structure of the application server is forgeign coming from JBoss 5.  It really seems like migrating to a completely new server.

                 

                JBoss uses Hibernate as the JPA implementation.  So when you use JPA in an application deployed under JBoss, you use Hibernate under the hood (although your app need not be aware of that).  My application uses Hibernate directly, so I include a dependency on Hibernate in jboss-deployment-structure.xml to inform JBoss I want the module to be available to my application.

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                • 5. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                  Mike Miller Newbie

                  Thanks for the quick response.   We have tried to stay close to JEE spec since we also supported Weblogic and didn't want to get into problems with vendor specific implementations.   As of our latest release, we no longer support Weblogic, so that is helping a bit.

                   

                  Can you explain a little bit more about the custom annotations and interceptors?   Are the standard annotations not enough?  Was there something out of the ordinary that necessitated custom annotations?

                  • 6. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                    Wolf-Dieter Fink Master

                    It is just as you state that you want to keep XDoclet for some custom things.

                    But remember that XDoclet1.2.3 is dead (Java 1.5 is not full supported) and I see no activity for 2.x

                     

                    So I have written some Interceptors (that is EE standard) and some annotations that are handled by the interceptor for some cross cutting concerns (e.g. logging or set some log environment, track UserTransactions, configurable  pre- and post-plugins)

                    But that is not a big deal and it is handy for development, no XDoclet generated classes compiled every run

                    • 7. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                      sureshm1974 Newbie

                      Hi,

                       

                      I am also having the same issue that our applications are with below configuration

                      1. JDK 1.5

                      2.JBoss 4.2.1

                      3.Axis 1.5.1

                      4.Struts 2.1

                      5.Spring 2.5

                      6.JExcel

                      7.POI

                      8.JQuery 1.2

                      9.TinyMCE

                      10.Ant 1.6

                      11. ActiveMQ 5.1

                      12. Tomcat 6.0.1

                      and the requirement is update all the above with latest stable version

                      JDK 1.7, JBOSS 7.x+, Spring 3.x+, Axis 2.x+, Jquery 1.x+, Tomcat 7/8...NO EJB.

                       

                      I have suggested the approach instead of directly JBoss 4.x to JBoss 7.x AS. We will go for JBoss 4.x to JBoss 5.x, so it will controlled and atleast JEE5 compliance.

                      Then from JBoss 5.x to JBoss 7.x we will go along with JDK 7 and other relative library changes.

                       

                      It will be grateful, if you answer me whether my apprach is right or wrong?

                       

                      -Suresh

                      • 8. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                        Ray DeCampo Newbie

                        One thing I would recommend in that scenario is too ignore any JBoss 5 specific issues.  Solving them will not help you get to JBoss 7.  (Unless you are planning a JBoss 5 hase for production, then obviously you need to get that 100%.)

                        • 9. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                          Wolf-Dieter Fink Master

                          The JDK should not be a problem if you use 6 or 7.

                          I don't think that you will have a benefit if you migrate to 5.1 first, only (more maybe unnecessary) work to do.

                          If possible you should split the applicaiton in several parts and migrate from XML to annotations.

                          • 10. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                            Paolo Compieta Newbie

                            If it can be useful, in [1] i've reported all changes in technologies between the two platforms (please, correct if any details is wrong).

                             

                            In our specific case, we also need:

                            - not to impair development of new features being constantly added

                            - not to disrupt support to Weblogic 10.x (Java EE 5)

                            - keep multiple DB compatibility (Oracle, DB2)

                             

                            To add detail, we are have the following - quite common - scenario:

                            - Maven 3 w/ advanced Cargo configuration for IT

                            - One Ear, one War, many EJB/JAR

                             

                            My question is: are all techs we're using [1] compatible and/or supported in JBoss 7 (even with some hack) or do we have to chain-change all of them (because of conflicting/incompatible jar/dependencies)?

                             

                            Thanks in advance!

                             

                            [1] https://community.jboss.org/docs/DOC-21416

                            • 11. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                              Tashi Wangdi Newbie

                              Hi Paolo,

                               

                              Could you provide me the access to the doc that you have shared the link for.

                              It could be helpful to us as we are also planning to migrate from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1.

                               

                              Regards

                              Tashi

                              • 12. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                                Wolf-Dieter Fink Master

                                Hi Tashi,

                                 

                                by the way, I recommend to use a newer version of AS7, maybe the EAP6.1.0.Alpha (which is free for use) or the WildFly8.

                                As this versions include a lot of fixes and enhancements.

                                • 13. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                                  Tashi Wangdi Newbie

                                  wfink

                                  Thanks for the suggestion. Would it be a problem if we use JDK-6 with Wildfly 8 or we need to upgrade to JDK-7.

                                  • 14. Re: Migration effort & benefits (from 4.2.3 to 7.1.1)
                                    Tomaz Cerar Master

                                    WildFly 8 requires JDK7 as it is requirement for EE7.

                                     

                                    In any case JDK6 is EOL for some time now, it is wise to upgrade to 7 even if you are running AS7.

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