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    WF11 Standalone-Full-HA Clustering on AWS Beanstalk

    Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

      Hi everybody,

      I am going to use AWS to build an autoscaling architecture, made up of a variable number of standalone Wildfly application servers.


      Therefore I CANNOT use any cluster mode or configuration for my Wildfly application servers.


      I want to use AWS ElastiCache (it has a Redis or Memcached interface) for


      1) Store sessions, so an incoming request may be processed switching server without losing, for example, the logon

      2) Hibernate Cache


      I spent so much time researching some documentation stating if this is possible or not.

      I found this related to infinispan, but still I am confused about how/where I can configure such a thing :

      Redis Cache Store



      Please can somebody help me ?
      Is my question clear to you ?


      Thank you in advance

        • 1. Re: AWS ElastiCache
          Paul Ferraro Master

          I'm confused.  Why can't you use "any cluster mode or configuration" for your WF servers?  Why would deploying on AWS prohibit you from using WF clustering?

          • 2. Re: AWS ElastiCache
            Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

            Because Beanstalk is AUTOscaling, it may create a new wildfly instance, starting from a Docker image, any time and without you knowing.
            Every node in beanstalk is equal, there is no master, no slave, no different configuration.


            Are you saying that is possible to create a wildfly cluster made of EQUAL wildfly instances in domain mode with the same domain.xml file with NO differences in EVERY configuration ?

            • 3. Re: AWS ElastiCache
              Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

              This guy explained the problem in using wildfly clusters in an autoscaling cloud but nobody answered him :


              Configure Wildfly Domain Cluster on AWS with Autoscaling


              I already figured out this is not possible, so I advanced to the next step :


              Since I cannot have a WF Cluster made of equal WFs, how can I save session and caches (with or without infinispan) in an external (and scaling) Redis or Memcached ?

              • 4. Re: AWS ElastiCache
                Paul Ferraro Master

                Yes - so long as each standalone instance is allocated a unique host name.  You would configure your JGroups subsystem to utilize the S3_PING protocol, which utilizes shared bucket storage for discovery.  This configuration would be common for all standalone instances.

                • 5. Re: AWS ElastiCache
                  Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

                  This seems like very good news


                  I'll try and let you know if everything works out.

                  • 6. Re: AWS ElastiCache
                    Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

                    I tried S3_PING but it's bugged and it won't work with S3 Amazon API anymore (if you are using authentication as you should) :


                    [JGRP-1914] S3_PING doesn't work with S3 buckets created in Frankfurt region - JBoss Issue Tracker


                    The expected fix is using NATIVE_S3_PING but you can't use it yet in wildfly and there is a feature request about it already :


                    [WFLY-8770] Integrate NATIVE_S3_PING discovery protocol - JBoss Issue Tracker


                    Now I am trying to use JDBC_PING (is even better imho) but it is also bugged :


                    Is there way to ensure that one subsystem is fully initialized before another one?


                    I have exactly the same issue using both WF10.1 and WF11RC1 so I don't think it has ever been fixed.


                    I filed a new bug :


                    [WFLY-9427] JDBC_PING gets a NameNotFoundException when using jndi resource - JBoss Issue Tracker


                    This is starting to be a little frustrating


                    Please let me know if you can help me

                    Thank you in advance

                    • 7. Re: AWS ElastiCache
                      Paul Ferraro Master

                      NATIVE_S3_PING is usable in WF11, however, we have not yet packaged it as a module (WFLY-8770).  You can do this manually, and specify your it using your module name:

                      <protocol type="org.jgroups.aws.s3.NATIVE_S3_PING" module="..."/>


                      JDBC_PING is indeed working in WF11.CR1, but let's figure out your issue on the JIRA.

                      • 8. Re: AWS ElastiCache
                        Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

                        I managed to have an autoscaling Wildfly standalone-full-ha cluster in AWS Beanstalk (Multicontainer Docker) with this configuration :


                                        <stack name="jdbc">

                                            <transport type="TCP" socket-binding="jgroups-tcp">

                              <property name="external_addr">${env.EC2HOSTNAME}</property>


                                            <protocol type="org.jgroups.protocols.JDBC_PING">

                                                <property name="connection_url">connection</property>

                                                <property name="connection_username">username</property>

                                                <property name="connection_password">password</property>

                                                <property name="connection_driver">com.mysql.cj.jdbc.Driver</property>


                                            <protocol type="MERGE3"/>

                                            <protocol type="FD_SOCK">

                              <property name="external_addr">${env.EC2HOSTNAME}</property>

                              <property name="external_port">57600</property>

                              <property name="start_port">57600</property>

                              <property name="port_range">1</property>


                                            <protocol type="FD"/>

                                            <protocol type="VERIFY_SUSPECT"/>

                                            <protocol type="pbcast.NAKACK2"/>

                                            <protocol type="UNICAST3"/>

                                            <protocol type="pbcast.STABLE"/>

                                            <protocol type="pbcast.GMS"/>

                                            <protocol type="MFC"/>

                                            <protocol type="FRAG2"/>




                        I set EC2HOSTNAME environment variable at the beginning of standalone.conf (inside wildfly bin folder) with :

                        # EC2 METADATA

                        export EC2HOSTNAME="$(curl"


                        I'd like to use JNDI resource instead of direct connection, like I said in the bug I filed (I'll go and make some new test as soon as possible)


                        Now I am having problems with ActiveMq (I disabled it, but I want to renable it) :


                        2017-10-12 10:47:49,326 ERROR [org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.client] (Thread-0 (ActiveMQ-scheduled-threads)) AMQ214016: Failed to create netty connection: java.net.UnknownHostException: b9ce94d895f8


                        Where b9ce94d895f8 is one of the Docker container hostname.
                        I'd like to have ActiveMq to use JGroups for discovering and resolving addresses.


                        I'll look some more for solutions.

                        • 9. Re: WF11 Standalone-Full-HA Clustering on AWS Beanstalk
                          Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

                          Ok I closed the JIRA issue because I tested the <jdbc-protocol type="JDBC_PING" data-source="db_optoplus"/> configuration on a clean wildfly and now it is working.
                          Thank for your support.


                          Now I am using the JNDI configuration because it's better for me.

                          Can you help me with the ActiveMQ problem too ?


                          I'd like to have ActiveMQ using the same jgroups info I used for cluster discovering.
                          Now ActiveMQ is trying to ping directly the wrong hostname (che other containers name).
                          I want ActiveMQ to use the external address and port I wrote in the ping_data with JDBC_PING for the 'ee' jgroups channel.


                          Is it possible ?

                          • 10. Re: WF11 Standalone-Full-HA Clustering on AWS Beanstalk
                            Paul Ferraro Master

                            Yes - you can configure activemq broadcast/discovery to share the same jgroups channel, which will then use the same JDBC_PING configuration.


                            <broadcast-group name="bg-group1" connectors="http-connector" jgroups-channel="activemq-cluster"/>
                            <discovery-group name="dg-group1" refresh-timeout="1000" jgroups-channel="activemq-cluster"/>
                            • 11. Re: WF11 Standalone-Full-HA Clustering on AWS Beanstalk
                              Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

                              I am already using this configuration :


                              <broadcast-group name="bg-group1" jgroups-channel="activemq-cluster" connectors="http-connector"/>

                              <discovery-group name="dg-group1" jgroups-channel="activemq-cluster"/>


                              java.net.UnknownHostException: b9ce94d895f8


                              "b9ce94d895f8" is the name of the Docker container and hostname for Wildfly.
                              So it seems it's not using the external address I configured with :


                              <transport type="TCP" socket-binding="jgroups-tcp">

                                    <property name="external_addr">${env.EC2HOSTNAME}</property>



                              Is there something else I can try ?

                              • 12. Re: WF11 Standalone-Full-HA Clustering on AWS Beanstalk
                                Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

                                Here are the logs of the 3 standalone-full-ha wildfly


                                I can't understand why they try to resolve the hostname instead of using the external address ...

                                • 13. Re: WF11 Standalone-Full-HA Clustering on AWS Beanstalk
                                  Paul Ferraro Master

                                  Why would you need to specify an "external_addr"?  This is only needed when you have members on different networks, where the external_addr points to the address of the router, when the interface address to which the member is bound isn't visible to other members of the cluster.

                                  • 14. Re: WF11 Standalone-Full-HA Clustering on AWS Beanstalk
                                    Alessandro Moscatelli Newbie

                                    Because my WF are started inside Docker Multicontainers (that's how Elastic Beanstalk scales out automatically) :


                                    So for example Container 1 from Instance 1 contains Wildfly, and Container 1 from Instance 2 also contains Wildfly.
                                    Instance 1 can send packets to Instance 2, but Containers from different instances are not in the same network and so they can't speak between them, so I have to use external address in JGroups TCP Protocol to enable them to reach each other.
                                    You can find my JGroups configuration a few reply above ...


                                    So basically every Wildfly is behind a different NAT/router (the host machine, the instance of EC2). External address is the address of EC2/instance for each wildfly.


                                    Multicontainer Docker Environments - AWS Elastic Beanstalk

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